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[LAKid53]

He didn't conquer "the Brits"; he conquered England. Wales wasn't subjugated until two centuries later, and Scotland would remain an independent kingdom until 1707 (though sharing the same monarch as England since 1603).

Technically he conquered the Anglo-Saxons. Harold II was the last crowned Anglo-Saxon king of England until his death during the Battle of Hastings.

 

[LittleBuford]

Technically he conquered the Anglo-Saxons.

I don't see how that contradicts the statement that he conquered England. The land he took was already known as the Kingdom of England when he took it. He styled himself Rex Anglorum (King of the English).

 

[doctornick]

I don't see how that contradicts the statement that he conquered England. The land he took was already known as the Kingdom of England when he took it. He styled himself Rex Anglorum (King of the English).

Yeah, I would think “English” and “Anglo-Saxon” have basically the same meaning at that point in history. And English (the world) is derived from “Anglo”.

 

[doctornick]

Another good point. We can't really talk of a "British" identity before the Union of England and Scotland in 1603 or (perhaps more securely) the Acts of Union in 1707.

I’ve always thought of “British” as being a geographical term as opposed to ethnic or geopolitical. so anyone from the British Isles could be considered “British” regardless of their ethnic background or citizenship. And the term British comes from the Romans’ word for the area (which derived from “Britons” though diverged in meaning) so I would think it had meaning long before the Union of Scotland and English.

I guess my question would be when did “Britain” or “British” come into use as referring to all of the modern “British Isles” as opposed to just being the Roman province of Britannia (which was not all of Great Britain) as it was in antiquity?

 

[LittleBuford]

Yeah, I would think “English” and “Anglo-Saxon” have basically the same meaning at that point in history. And English (the world) is derived from “Anglo”.

I realise we're way off-topic here, but this may interest you (and complicates things still further!):

England: Anglo-Saxon Royal Styles: 871-1066 - Archontology

www.archontology.org

 

[LittleBuford]

I’ve always thought of “British” as being a geographical term as opposed to ethnic or geopolitical. so anyone from the British Isles could be considered “British” regardless of their ethnic background or citizenship. And the term British comes from the Romans’ word for the area (which derived from “Britons” though diverged in meaning) so I would think it had meaning long before the Union of Scotland and English.

I guess my question would be when did “Britain” or “British” come into use as referring to all of the modern “British Isles” as opposed to just being the Roman province of Britannia (which was not all of Great Britain) as it was in antiquity?

The turning point between the ancient/geographical usage and the more modern/political usage is the seventeenth century, when James VI of Scotland also became James I of England and understandably wanted to emphasise his position over the whole island (though it's interesting to note that some of the Anglo-Saxon kings were less convincingly attempting the same thing many centuries before; see the link in my previous post).

Although the geographical term "British Isles" encompasses both Great Britain (the island comprising England, Scotland, and Wales) and the island of Ireland (along with some smaller islands), the words "Britain" and "British" in their modern senses refer to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and not to the Republic of Ireland.

Self-designations vary widely among the inhabitants of the UK and depend on a number of cultural and political factors. Someone from Northern Ireland, for example, may consider themselves British, Irish, or both. I am from London but, because I am not of English ethnicity, refer to myself as British rather than English.

Some more potentially interesting links from one of my favourite online resources:

british | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.

www.etymonline.com

britain | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.

www.etymonline.com

briton | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.

www.etymonline.com

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Tron?

 

[LittleBuford]

Tron?

William the Conqueror's favourite film.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Tron?

Who? What?

 

[LAKid53]

I’ve always thought of “British” as being a geographical term as opposed to ethnic or geopolitical. so anyone from the British Isles could be considered “British” regardless of their ethnic background or citizenship. And the term British comes from the Romans’ word for the area (which derived from “Britons” though diverged in meaning) so I would think it had meaning long before the Union of Scotland and English.

I guess my question would be when did “Britain” or “British” come into use as referring to all of the modern “British Isles” as opposed to just being the Roman province of Britannia (which was not all of Great Britain) as it was in antiquity?

The Welsh, Scottish and Irish would like to have a word. We are not British.

 

[King Panda 77]

The Welsh, Scottish and Irish would like to have a word. We are not British.

Aren't you forgetting somewhere ?

 

[LAKid53]

Aren't you forgetting somewhere ?

And the tax haven known as the British Crown Dependencies.

Happy now?

 

[LittleBuford]

The Welsh, Scottish and Irish would like to have a word. We are not British.

Many people from Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland do identify as British, for what that's worth, just as many people from England don't.

 

[nickys]

And the tax haven known as the British Crown Dependencies.

Happy now?

They’re separate Crown Dependencies.

And not all of the Crown Dependencies are part of the British Isles.

The Welsh, Scottish and Irish would like to have a word. We are not British.

We? Are you not the “kid” from LA?

But actually, they are British. I consider myself Scottish first, British second. Whether we like it or not, all citizens of the United Kingdom are British - it says so on our passport. Allegiance may differ, personally I don’t have an issue with allegiance to the U.K. or being British. Some of my countrymen may do so.

I’ve always thought of “British” as being a geographical term as opposed to ethnic or geopolitical. so anyone from the British Isles could be considered “British” regardless of their ethnic background or citizenship.

British refers to those of British citizenship. Just like Canadian refers to those of Canadian citizenship, Spanish refers to those of Spanish citizenship etc.

 

[LAKid53]

They’re separate Crown Dependencies.

And not all of the Crown Dependencies are part of the British Isles.




We? Are you not the “kid” from LA?

But actually, they are British. I consider myself Scottish first, British second. Whether we like it or not, all citizens of the United Kingdom are British - it says so on our passport. Allegiance may differ, personally I don’t have an issue with allegiance to the U.K. or being British. Some of my countrymen may do so.




British refers to those of British citizenship. Just like Canadian refers to those of Canadian citizenship, Spanish refers to those of Spanish citizenship etc.

If you called my Welsh grandfather British, he'd have something to say.

 

[nickys]

If you called my Welsh grandfather British, he'd have something to say.

I can imagine.

 

[JoeCamel]

If you called my Welsh grandfather British, he'd have something to say.

But would I understand it? I've seen the names.....

 

[Doug Means]

Is this the Tron Roller Coaster thread?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Is this the Tron Roller Coaster thread?

You didn’t realize TRON was an allegory for the Norman invasion?

 

[JoeCamel]

Is this the Tron Roller Coaster thread?

IT will be when they do something with it til then we're all riding the people mover looking for ladder. Going to be a long year