BrerJon
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It isn't in Japan.
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It isn't in Japan.
Marc Gil
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Agreed, but people are never going to change, and Disney will still reward deviant behavior as long as cash is steadily flowing into Bob Iger's pocket.
Sad, but true. Life's not a bowl of cherries.
BrerJon
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It's an absolute myth that just because someone is on minimum wage it means they're unskilled, especially at Disney. Many people work on minimum wage for the mouse despite college educations (or while getting one) and strong commercial experience because *if* the good aspects outweigh the bad it can be a more satisfying life than many pen-pushing alternatives, especially if you get to work away from the frontlines.
There's a reason why Disney CMs give better service than the people serving you burgers at Wendy's or gas in 7-11, when they're all paid the same, so anyone dismissing CMs as no hopers with no skills and education are sorely mistaken.
Gig 'Em Mickey
Well-Known Member
Um, I was responding to someone else who said they were unskilled. Don't put words on my keyboard.
But you've changed the argument. Those people CHOSE to go to college, and CHOSE to work for Disney even though they have alternatives. I'm not dismssing the CM's at all, I think you're putting in words in my mouth and please don't. I've got several comments not defending the managers or Disney.
But I don't think the highly skilled or educated CM's deserve more pay simply due to that fact, if they are performing the same work that unskilled or uneduated workers are provided. They aren't owed anything based on their education.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Hey, I've had a few cherries, They're not as awesome as people think.
Yes, as long as people's (....)-ish behavior does not impact revenue, it will continue. Which is a problem, IMO.
Very true. Read what, @WDW1974 said about George K. It was pretty insightful and actually changed my opinion of the man from thinking he was a total d*uche, to understanding he cares, but is too spineless to do anything about it. I would pity him if he wasnt a millionaire. He is a top level exec whose been with the company for decades and even he is scared to rock the boat. What could a front line CM possibly expect to gain by emailing a company head?
For anybody saying, "if you dont like the pay, quit", I can agree to some level, but this is the Walt Disney Corp. we're talking about. A company that in decades past, an employee was able to work his way up from a busy boy at a resort to the President of the parks. Now they are lucky to get promoted to custodial services. Ive had great experiences with many CM's over the years. Disney (and pixie snorters) justify the high prices they charge due to the "magical memories" families can create. Those magical memories are created by the AMAZING, FRONT LINE, LOW PAID, CM's, not executives or board members. Its a shame they dont realize that, or if they do actually realize it, its even worse.
Chef Mickey
Well-Known Member
I think some of his comments are valid, but are typical of many low wage workers employed at large companies.
The unfortunate reality is that most of these jobs are rotational and a means to an end. They were never meant to be "careers" and treating them as such will leave you poor and disappointed.
Economics aren't as simple as many may think. Simply paying employees more for jobs that don't demand higher compensation have other hidden and more damaging consequences. I won't go into them here, but let's just say Disney is doing what any other company needing to hire tens of thousands employees HAS to do.
While this anecdotal story is somewhat disturbing, it's essentially an attention grabber that really doesn't speak to anything other than the trials and tribulations of hourly employment at any giant company. To be honest, I would expect Disney to be one of the tougher employers simply because working in a theme park is inherently thankless and difficult. Many of the people you will be forced to deal with are absolute entitled scum.
Hard work and a bigger paycheck almost go in opposite directions. If you're working "hard," you probably are making a low wage. Larger salaries come with more responsibility, more experience, and a shrinking group of candidates able to do the job.
I do admire the cast members at Disney. They are the best. No one works harder or deals with more .
However, dealing with
is the job. It shouldn't too surprising you are treated like a number. That's what you are. Disney knows if you don't want to do it, they can find someone else who will.
As far as the show concerns he mentioned, those are valid and a shame. As repeat guests, we see the quality issues. The rationale is that most guests probably won't (and probably don't) notice enough to make it "worth it" to fix more than once a year or so. That is the part that makes me sad.
The unfortunate reality is that most of these jobs are rotational and a means to an end. They were never meant to be "careers" and treating them as such will leave you poor and disappointed.
Economics aren't as simple as many may think. Simply paying employees more for jobs that don't demand higher compensation have other hidden and more damaging consequences. I won't go into them here, but let's just say Disney is doing what any other company needing to hire tens of thousands employees HAS to do.
While this anecdotal story is somewhat disturbing, it's essentially an attention grabber that really doesn't speak to anything other than the trials and tribulations of hourly employment at any giant company. To be honest, I would expect Disney to be one of the tougher employers simply because working in a theme park is inherently thankless and difficult. Many of the people you will be forced to deal with are absolute entitled scum.
Hard work and a bigger paycheck almost go in opposite directions. If you're working "hard," you probably are making a low wage. Larger salaries come with more responsibility, more experience, and a shrinking group of candidates able to do the job.
I do admire the cast members at Disney. They are the best. No one works harder or deals with more .
However, dealing with
is the job. It shouldn't too surprising you are treated like a number. That's what you are. Disney knows if you don't want to do it, they can find someone else who will.
As far as the show concerns he mentioned, those are valid and a shame. As repeat guests, we see the quality issues. The rationale is that most guests probably won't (and probably don't) notice enough to make it "worth it" to fix more than once a year or so. That is the part that makes me sad.
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There is plenty of rudeness among the guests at the Japanese parks. Perhaps it comes in different forms, but it's there and obvious.
stevehousse
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I think you forget this isn't the 80s and 90s where you could easily graduate college and get a high level paying job in the field you got your degree in. I feel sorry for the kids these days who go to college and graduate only to find that there aren't any jobs available for their degree and end up having to take a low paying job at Disney or Starbucks because that's all there is available to them...
darrelljon
Active Member
What does he mean when he says 'There are entire GIANT closed areas of the park that Disney is too cheap to keep open (including an entire pavilion and a half at Epcot) which will probably continue to rot away.'?
BrerJon
Well-Known Member
Presumably he means Wonders of Life at Epcot, but to me the most obvious example of things being closed due to cheapness is the restaurants in MK that only open for a few days each year (Tomorrowland Terrace, Golden Oak) or never open at all (Adventureland Veranda).
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
No. It seems more representative of the caliber of people Disney is attracting. Which doesn't look good
darrelljon
Active Member
Thanks. Is the half a closed pavilion in relation to the Odyssey Pavilion?
crispy
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I assume he is talking about the upstairs of the Imagination pavilion.
MikeTaylorSound
Well-Known Member
Yeah, the Odyssey is a nonoperational restaurant with bathrooms.
Chef Mickey
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Most of those kids are getting bad advice and worthless degrees. Companies don't need history, art, communications, sociology, psychology, and music majors. I didn't want to study finance, but I did because it makes money.
Before anyone goes crazy...I'm not saying all are getting worthless degrees. However, the economy is in pretty good shape so a good degree in a decent city is a good place to start. You also might have to move out of Detroit, Buffalo, or Pittsburgh.
Laura Ellen
Member
Wow...i am actually pretty offended you think Arts degrees are useless. I have a MA in Film and media studies and am doing a PhD, so i guess by your logic i do not contribute to society at all?
You don't have to give up your dreams and your free will and do a law/medicine/economics degree to make money. I'd rather be penniless than work at a job i hate just because i would be rich.
Sorry, but your comment has angered me alot. I see many students at the university i work at graduate with Law, Finance or Engineering degrees and they can't get work.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
It seems that you are getting the education you are choosing to get because you have a vision and/or dream for your future. You have an idea of what you want to do with the education you are getting and will contribute in that way. You are pursuing what you love, right?
However, there are many young people who go to college and spend tons of money to get some general liberal arts degree just to say that went. The what? What will they do with that. Do they have a vision for their future where they can use this degree to pursue what they love? Many do not...many