Tree of life 'grows' new roots

[lazyboy97o]

i definitely respect your Disney purist mentality

You don't have to reply if you didn't bother to read what I wrote, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a "purist."

 

[twebber55]

You don't have to reply if you didn't bother to read what I wrote, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a "purist."

it was a compliment try to take one

 

[jakeman]

You don't have to reply if you didn't bother to read what I wrote, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a "purist."

Wow...

 

[FrankLapidus]

I never said anything about the park not making money nor am I denying how much a pop culture phenomenon Avatar was when it was released. Just because the current typical metric of merchandise was not held up is not a reason to celebrate. The property was chosen in a futile attempt to beat Universal to it (they weren't interested) and get a "Potter Swatter" announced. It wasn't chosen because of pitches from creatives or chosen by executives passionate about themed entertainment (or even cute stories about it being so-and-so's kid's idea).

This is all exactly why some are worried about the land being a success, lest it again encourage even more poor decision making. The entire history of Disney's Animal Kingdom is Joe Rohde making something stunning out of less than ideal situations.

For me you've hit the nail square on the head here.

 

[rioriz]

Oh. Good. Lord.

I even said in the post you quoted I'm just delivering information and not stating one way or another what should be included.

Lol the funny thing is that many of the "never there" creatures wanted for BK in many cases only exist in fabled alien lands haha....yes even dragons...

 

[Sage of Time]

Lol the funny thing is that many of the "never there" creatures wanted for BK in many cases only exist in fabled alien lands haha....yes even dragons...

European dragons and unicorns and "fantasia" characters at least have a deeper cultural grounding than Avatar's 2009 blue alien cat people.

 

[Figment2005]

LOL.

I've seen the movie.

I was unimpressed.

It does not fit the earthy and cultural bent that DAK has at all. Sure, conservation is a theme, but when it's tied in with aliens and fake worlds and not the real content that makes up DAK... there's a problem. A big one.

Remember, on Pandora, humans were the aliens.

 

[rioriz]

European dragons and unicorns and "fantasia" characters at least have a deeper cultural grounding than Avatar's 2009 blue alien cat people.

Still they are alien to this world no matter the cultural background so a shift in argument from alien to cultural background is necessary.

 

[Sage of Time]

Remember, on Pandora, humans were the aliens.

That doesn't mean that Avatar deals with ON Earth culture.

Still they are alien to this world no matter the cultural background so a shift in argument from alien to cultural background is necessary.

Right. I don't think DAK can handle that much of a disparity.

 

[Adam N]

But it's not called Disney's Planet Earth Fun Times Land on This Planet. It's Animal Kingdom. Which apparently includes extinct dinosaurs. And originally had plans for dragons.

Every story for every attraction (minus Tough to Be A Bug) has to do with how humans can negatively affect the environment and the natural order correcting that. If that theme wasn't the entire three hour movie of Avatar, I don't know what was.

 

[Sage of Time]

But it's not called Disney's Planet Earth Fun Times Land on This Planet. It's Animal Kingdom. Which apparently includes extinct dinosaurs. And originally had plans for dragons.

Every story for every attraction (minus Tough to Be A Bug) has to do with how humans can negatively affect the environment and the natural order correcting that. If that theme wasn't the entire three hour movie of Avatar, I don't know what was.

I agree with the intent of your post, but the bolded point doesn't really measure up when you look at the context of the park and of avatar. DAK's context is earth's subaltern culture and how man loves nature and animals. THAT's the context that doesn't exist at all in Ava.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Still they are alien to this world no matter the cultural background so a shift in argument from alien to cultural background is necessary.

There has been no shift in argument. Culture has been the argument all along. The yeti is a great example. It is a cultural personification of how the people of the Himalayas understood and responded to their environment.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Joe Rhode guards that parks integrity like no other. Him talking about the Everest expansion area is incredibly passionate. He talks about why they choose the paint colors they did and the symbolic meaning of the hues and tones as they relate to the story of a mural. Its really something! If he guides avatar with his detailed touch I have so much hope.

I agree that Joe seems to guard the park with integrity but that does not mean he is given the final decision on what will be built in the park.

 

[peter11435]

DAK's context is earth's subaltern culture and how man loves nature and animals.

Really, how man loves nature? This is a park that has an attraction whose story line centered around man killing animals, another about man destroying nature, a 3D film about mans attempts to exterminate an entire class of animals, and an entire land that largely revolves around man exploiting animals for monetary gain.

 

[rioriz]

There has been no shift in argument. Culture has been the argument all along. The yeti is a great example. It is a cultural personification of how the people of the Himalayas understood and responded to their environment.

I didn't say there has been a shift. I said there needs to be a shift.

BK was to be a land of Mythical creatures....Avatar covers that...as would those in Potter...or Star Wars...or LOTR

It comes down to the individuals dislike of the IP overall, which is A ok!!!!

 

[twebber55]

I didn't say there has been a shift. I said there needs to be a shift.

BK was to be a land of Mythical creatures....Avatar covers that...as would those in Potter...or Star Wars...or LOTR

It comes down to the individuals dislike of the IP overall, which is A ok!!!!

which I think is what it really boils down...not to everyone but many overall. its ok to not like the IP and have reservations about the park....to me the crazies are the ones who will no longer visit the park or give it a chance before the expansion ever happens

 

[lazyboy97o]

I didn't say there has been a shift. I said there needs to be a shift.

BK was to be a land of Mythical creatures....Avatar covers that...as would those in Potter...or Star Wars...or LOTR

It comes down to the individuals dislike of the IP overall, which is A ok!!!!

Beastly Kingdom was about how Euopean culture interacted with the natural world as reflected in imagined animals. the shift occurred to include all forms of fictional animals and not those that reflect nature as humans have interacted with it.

 

[George]

You should see the rest of the film in order to make educational comments about Avatar because what you're suggesting is most definitely NOT the theme of the movie.

In fact it is the exact opposite of the theme of the movie. Avatar has a huge conservation, living in harmony with nature, anti-over exploitation of the environment message that is perfect for DAK.

 

[twebber55]

In fact it is the exact opposite of the theme of the movie. Avatar has a huge conservation, living in harmony with nature, anti-over exploitation of the environment message that is perfect for DAK.

Agree george
Btw there is a difference between plot and theme

 

[MotherOfBirds]