Tree of life 'grows' new roots

[lazyboy97o]

Ok, but that doesn't mean that AVATAR doesn't fit within the conservation theme of DAK when it's clearly the central message of the film...

Go back to any of the threads on this, the argument is that conservation is not the central theme of Disney's Animal Kingdom. It's a natural side topic when examining the animals of this world, and man's interaction with them and this world.

 

[twebber55]

Avatar is all about the Benjamins, Lackluster performance on the Benjamin side will torpedo the whole thing, Avatar was the FIRST 3D movie. Just like 'The Jazz Singer' was the first talkie both made LOTS of money but neither were 'good' films.

Unless the 2017 Avatar flick makes a couple billion - I don't expect Avatar 3&4 or Pandora.

we disagree but you are one of my favorite posters on this site...very informative and entertaining

 

[twebber55]

Go back to any of the threads on this, the argument is that conservation is not the central theme of Disney's Animal Kingdom. It's a natural side topic when examining the animals of this world, and man's interaction with them and this world.

ill stick with Joes version not lazyboys

 

[lazyboy97o]

ill stick with Joes version not lazyboys

Because he has only ever talked about the park that one time when Disney (who only informed him after the decision was made and then put his job on the line when creative fissures were showing) also magically allowed him to freely speak his mind.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Go back to any of the threads on this, the argument is that conservation is not the central theme of Disney's Animal Kingdom. It's a natural side topic when examining the animals of this world, and man's interaction with them and this world.

You're splitting hairs. AVATAR actually has much the same message you describe. It's about being able to interact and become one with the na'vi, while examining their behaviors in order to obtain unobtanium.

 

[twebber55]

You're splitting hairs. AVATAR actually has much the same message you describe. It's about being able to interact and become one with the na'vi, while examining their behaviors in order to obtain unobtanium.

maybe to act on behalf of nature? a central theme for DAK..let me go check with lazyboy to make sure that's what Rohde meant

 

[note2001]

Because he has only ever talked about the park that one time when Disney (who only informed him after the decision was made and then put his job on the line when creative fissures were showing) also magically allowed him to freely speak his mind.

Just like anyone who's proud of their achievements, Joe talks about AK off hours and he does so publicly too. Just recently he discussed Dinoland, his attraction to designing it, why he wanted to design it, and the best part: the pavement, LOL. Look him up on Twitter / instagram. I am sure Disney corporate was not behind him discussing that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just like anyone who's proud of their achievements, Joe talks about AK off hours and he does so publicly too. Just recently he discussed Dinoland, his attraction to designing it, why he wanted to design it, and the best part: the pavement, LOL. Look him up on Twitter / instagram. I am sure Disney corporate was not behind him discussing that.

If he is doing it publicly, then he is saying what he knows he is allowed to say. I'm not saying have some psychic link to him. And his comments, as creator, definitely do have weight, but it also doesn't mean they have to be accepted either. Just look at George Lucas and his relation to Star Wars. Even going being the issues of story quality and consistency, he had for some time latched onto the notion that the story was only even six films long, but then turned around and started back on the sequel trilogy. And despite that work on a new sequel, Disney and Abrams kicked it to the curb despite his being the creator.

This very thread is mostly a celebration of Joe being wrong. The need for wide walkways was well understood at the time Disney's Animal Kingdom was being developed.

 

[Sage of Time]

It's not corporate speak when there's 3 hours of visual proof. Watch the movie and you might actually have a clue.

LOL.

I've seen the movie.

I was unimpressed.

It does not fit the earthy and cultural bent that DAK has at all. Sure, conservation is a theme, but when it's tied in with aliens and fake worlds and not the real content that makes up DAK... there's a problem. A big one.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

Our walk-through video

I just wanted to echo that this video is stunning. Well done! You really captured the feel of AK and this new addition.

It does not fit the earthy and cultural bent that DAK has at all. Sure, conservation is a theme, but when it's tied in with aliens and fake worlds and not the real content that makes up DAK... there's a problem. A big one.

I have no idea what Avatar has to do with this discussion. But, I will say, mythical worlds and creatures were always in the plan for AK. Somewhere they veered away from that, likely for financial reasons. If anything, they are going back to their roots with Avatar. I'm with those who think it connects very well with AK.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Avatar is all about the Benjamins, Lackluster performance on the Benjamin side will torpedo the whole thing, Avatar was the FIRST 3D movie. Just like 'The Jazz Singer' was the first talkie both made LOTS of money but neither were 'good' films.

Unless the 2017 Avatar flick makes a couple billion - I don't expect Avatar 3&4 or Pandora.

Avatar was most certainly not the FIRST 3D movie. It was the first well executed 3D movie though.

Hell, Up was released the same year, ahead of AVATAR, in 3D.

According to Box Office Mojo, 3D tracks all the way back to the early 80's in theaters with such great movie hits like "Parasite" and "The Treasure of Four Crowns"

 

[twebber55]

Avatar was most certainly not the FIRST 3D movie. It was the first well executed 3D movie though. Hell, Up was released the same year, ahead of AVATAR, in 3D.

he s basically saying if the next avatar isn't ranked 3rd all time in gross then the land that's opening before the next movie will not open.... hilarious

 

[ford91exploder]

Avatar was most certainly not the FIRST 3D movie. It was the first well executed 3D movie though.

Hell, Up was released the same year, ahead of AVATAR, in 3D.

According to Box Office Mojo, 3D tracks all the way back to the early 80's in theaters with such great movie hits like "Parasite" and "The Treasure of Four Crowns"

3D goes all the way back to the 1950's but Avatar was the first 3D movie in which the 3D effect worked reliably for most of the audience and did not give people headaches after watching.

The only reason Iger is doing Avatar is because of it's huge box office, Once you understand THAT the rest is easy. It's not about the story or the message as Iger is a MONEY guy. If the follow on movies fail to produce huge box office the whole thing will sink because he will not want HIS company associated with a 'failed' IP.

 

[ford91exploder]

he s basically saying if the next avatar isn't ranked 3rd all time in gross then the land that's opening before the next movie will not open.... hilarious

Guess you did not hear about the park schedule slip to 2018... Movie 2017, Pandora Opening 2018 so the movie will be out before the park opens, Interesting - same thing happened with the Star Wars land plans Movie first, then Land.

It's almost as if Iger is gauging the acceptance of the movie IP before committing... Nah cannot be.

 

[twebber55]

Guess you did not hear about the park schedule slip to 2018... Movie 2017, Pandora Opening 2018 so the movie will be out before the park opens, Interesting - same thing happened with the Star Wars land plans Movie first, then Land.

It's almost as if Iger is gauging the acceptance of the movie IP before committing... Nah cannot be.

no I sure didn't hear about the schedule change
thanks

so you re saying that if the movie only makes 1.2 billion the whole land will be cancelled
just want to make sure we have you going on record

 

[lazyboy97o]

Guess you did not hear about the park schedule slip to 2018... Movie 2017, Pandora Opening 2018 so the movie will be out before the park opens, Interesting - same thing happened with the Star Wars land plans Movie first, then Land.

It's almost as if Iger is gauging the acceptance of the movie IP before committing... Nah cannot be.

Vertical construction has already begun. Yes, Disney has halted projects after that point, but they're quite rare. This is Iger and Stagg's "Potter Swatter" and it will be built come hell or high water.

 

[ford91exploder]

Vertical construction has already begun. Yes, Disney has halted projects after that point, but they're quite rare. This is Iger and Stagg's "Potter Swatter" and it will be built come hell or high water.

I'm sure the 'Land' itself will get built but whether it opens Avatar themed or something else is up for grabs as you are correct Disney rarely stops after they go vertical (AoA being a recent exception),

Pandora could easily be replaced with Endor and even use the same attraction mechanics - Soarin theater changes from banshee to speederbike, Boat ride - well it's a forest in both cases but one's blue and glows in the dark. banshee change to X-wing

The only thing I am sure of is if Avatar 2 is a box office flop, There will not BE an Avatar attraction at AK. There will be something else there in it's place which shares many of the thematic elements.

 

[twebber55]

I'm sure the 'Land' itself will get built but whether it opens Avatar themed or something else is up for grabs as you are correct Disney rarely stops after they go vertical (AoA being a recent exception),

Pandora could easily be replaced with Endor and even use the same attraction mechanics - Soarin theater changes from banshee to speederbike, Boat ride - well it's a forest in both cases but one's blue and glows in the dark. banshee change to X-wing

The only thing I am sure of is if Avatar 2 is a box office flop, There will not BE an Avatar attraction at AK. There will be something else there in it's place which shares many of the thematic elements.

this post sounds desperate...my suggestion to you when it opens in 2017 go try it and see if you like it and if you don't and think it doesn't fit then come on here and discuss it saying how right you were
no problem with that debate

furthermore, this thread started about the new roots in the TOL, which shows me that everything done in DAK so far looks incredible and we have no reason to believe that the rest of the expansion will be nothing short of very well done

 

[jakeman]

So just to butt in here regarding the theme of Animal Kingdom as a former cast member when the park was just a year old and it's mission statement was still pretty strong.

The theme of Animal Kingdom is "animals that were, animals that are, and animals that will never be". There was no more or no less to that.

 

[flyerjab]

this post sounds desperate...my suggestion to you when it opens in 2017 go try it and see if you like it and if you don't and think it doesn't fit then come on here and discuss it saying how right you were
no problem with that debate

furthermore, this thread started about the new roots in the TOL, which shows me that everything done in DAK so far looks incredible and we have no reason to believe that the rest of the expansion will be nothing short of very well done

Tweb, I have been with you on this from the beginning. I can't wait for the Harambe expansion to open. To me, that is going to continue to demonstrate the effort that is being put into this particular park in terms of immersive, beautiful theming.

When the new, expanded Harambe FotLK opened, I remember my family and I were walking around the entire area, my wife was taking pictures and such, and we ran into this guy that was working on the theming. He indicated that he was a free lance contractor that helped with all of the minor theming that you see throughout the park. The amount of work to immerse people in this park is tremendous. To me, things like new roots for the ToL are just the icing on an otherwise elaborate cake.