Trattoria al Forno to replace Kouzzina by Cat Cora on Disney's BoardWalk

wdwfan4ver

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Thinking about other competition in the area, not only is there the Italy Pavilion with its range of eateries, but there is also Il Mullino at the Swan - which is extremely good BTW.
There is a catch the competition in the area if you are on the Disney Dining plan because Il Mullino isn't on the Disney Dining plan due to Disney not owning the Swan and Dolphin.

I think people on the Disney Dinning plan would only look at the Italy Pavilion, and Trattoria al Forno depending if Trattoria al Forno is on the Disney dining plan.
 

ToTBellHop

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While very repetitious, this place will probably do well. People love Italian. Missed opportunity for something more unique though. An Italian place would be right at home on the NJ Boardwalk, though. Curious to see what it will look like.

We have Via Napoli booked for January. Maybe we will try this instead. Though, for the same food, I'd probably rather stay in Epcot.
 

ABQ

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I just hope they do something about the acoustics in that location. Kouzzina could be so loud at times that you didn't hear the person sitting next to you. This was even if the place was only at half capacity during breakfast. Which, though I know someone already mentioned it, is a bummer that the new restaurant will not be offering it. If staying in the Boardwalk, you have no sit down, in your resort, breakfast options if you want them and have to travel to an adjacent resort. For a deluxe place, that's pretty sad.
 

Lord_Vader

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All Italian places are both overpriced and mediocre. Growing up Italian, Italian food at Disney is horrible. But it's good for those people who don't have great Italian restaurants near them.

Plus, a $20 meal for $2 pasta that you can get at the market is crazy for anywhere you get Italian food.

I haven't been to the fancy Itl place but I've only had Via Napoli for their amazing pizza and Tony's Town Square was ehhhh....never do it again sorta of place.

Comparing Tutto Italia to Tony's Town Square is like comparing burgers from McDonald's to Five Guys. I agree Tony's is not very good but most if not all Epcot's restaurants are not directly run by Disney and are usually very good.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Comparing Tutto Italia to Tony's Town Square is like comparing burgers from McDonald's to Five Guys. I agree Tony's is not very good but most if not all Epcot's restaurants are not directly run by Disney and are usually very good.
They're also very expensive for what they are. Still, I guess it would be better for the new restaurant to be overpriced but good (like the ones in Epcot run by Patina Group) rather than overpriced and mediocre (Disney-operated restaurants such as Tony's and Mama Melrose's).
 

Bparso87

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They're also very expensive for what they are. Still, I guess it would be better for the new restaurant to be overpriced but good (like the ones in Epcot run by Patina Group) rather than overpriced and mediocre (Disney-operated restaurants such as Tony's and Mama Melrose's).
The thing with Italian restaurants is there is only a small percent that are great. Italian food is most likely the highest profit food in the restaurant world. Most Italian restaurants taste almost the same there is a few that are superior but not many. You can make a pasta dish for 2 dollars and charge over 15 dollars.
 

seahawk7

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I think eating at Tutto Italia and Via Napoli can be reasonable. Three of us ate a Via Napoli with no alcohol for $65. If you eat at Tutto Italia for lunch it can be very reasonable. I opt for the vegetarian option so maybe thats why. Plus there are more options other than fried food.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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The thing with Italian restaurants is there is only a small percent that are great. Italian food is most likely the highest profit food in the restaurant world. Most Italian restaurants taste almost the same there is a few that are superior but not many. You can make a pasta dish for 2 dollars and charge over 15 dollars.
The thing is, because Italian food is so accessible and cheap at home, it seems foolish to me to pay theme park prices for standard Italian dishes. Clearly, other people feel differently, as most Italian spots at Disney are fairly popular. Via Napoli particularly stands out, and even though the prices are ridiculous, the 'per person' cost is reasonable (for Disney) if 2 or more people split a pie.

Still, I'm not too enthused that another Italian restaurant is being thrown into the mix, since it will be overpriced and/or mediocre. Via Napoli and Tutto Gusto already offer higher quality options (even if they're insanely expensive), so it'll be interesting to see where this one falls (and who's operating it - Patina or Disney).
 

lazyboy97o

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The thing is, because Italian food is so accessible and cheap at home, it seems foolish to me to pay theme park prices for standard Italian dishes. Clearly, other people feel differently, as most Italian spots at Disney are fairly popular. Via Napoli particularly stands out, and even though the prices are ridiculous, the 'per person' cost is reasonable (for Disney) if 2 or more people split a pie.
Being so common everywhere else is probably a big part of why the Italian restaurants at Walt Disney World are so popular.
 

seahawk7

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The thing is, because Italian food is so accessible and cheap at home, it seems foolish to me to pay theme park prices for standard Italian dishes. Clearly, other people feel differently, as most Italian spots at Disney are fairly popular. Via Napoli particularly stands out, and even though the prices are ridiculous, the 'per person' cost is reasonable (for Disney) if 2 or more people split a pie.

Still, I'm not too enthused that another Italian restaurant is being thrown into the mix, since it will be overpriced and/or mediocre. Via Napoli and Tutto Gusto already offer higher quality options (even if they're insanely expensive), so it'll be interesting to see where this one falls (and who's operating it - Patina or Disney).
Yea I see your point. What would you have wanted to see replace Kouzzina?
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Yea I see your point. What would you have wanted to see replace Kouzzina?
Honestly, that's really hard to answer. I would've loved to see another take on Mediterranean/Greek, but clearly Disney couldn't get that concept right with Spoodles or Kouzzina. Some diners found the food too exotic, while others recognized that it wasn't authentic.

A seafood restaurant would also be redundant (with Flying Fish next door and bluezoo nearby) and so would a steakhouse (Yachtsman, Le Cellier and Shula's are close).

I would've loved to see the place become a quick service restaurant (or at least have it be split up into quick service and table service, since it's such a massive dining room), but the profit margins on quick service are clearly lower than on TS meals. Still, the Epcot resort area could've seriously used a proper quick service location.

The Thai concept mentioned earlier could be interesting, or perhaps Asian fusion incorporating many Southeast Asian cuisines (Vietnamese, Malaysian, etc). But that also seems too 'exotic' for many visitors.

Perhaps the real solution would be to turn that space into a giant DVC kiosk or Duffy store. Otherwise, I guess Italian is worth a shot. :cautious:
 

seahawk7

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Honestly, that's really hard to answer. I would've loved to see another take on Mediterranean/Greek, but clearly Disney couldn't get that concept right with Spoodles or Kouzzina. Some diners found the food too exotic, while others recognized that it wasn't authentic.

A seafood restaurant would also be redundant (with Flying Fish next door and bluezoo nearby) and so would a steakhouse (Yachtsman, Le Cellier and Shula's are close).

I would've loved to see the place become a quick service restaurant (or at least have it be split up into quick service and table service, since it's such a massive dining room), but the profit margins on quick service are clearly lower than on TS meals. Still, the Epcot resort area could've seriously used a proper quick service location.

The Thai concept mentioned earlier could be interesting, or perhaps Asian fusion incorporating many Southeast Asian cuisines (Vietnamese, Malaysian, etc). But that also seems too 'exotic' for many visitors.

Perhaps the real solution would be to turn that space into a giant DVC kiosk or Duffy store. Otherwise, I guess Italian is worth a shot. :cautious:
It's interesting what you say about Mediterranean and Greek food and I think you are right because Restaurant Marrakesh and Spice Road Table are not in high demand. Spice Road Table was always empty when we looked inside and Restaurant Marrakesh always has availability. I'm not sure about Tangierine Cafe.

I really like the Thai idea.

When you say a counter service option, maybe expanding the Boardwalk Bakery since that is the counter service option for the Boardwalk resort.
I think definitely giving the guests staying there more breakfast options would have been a good idea especially since they are a Deluxe resort. I think all the deluxe resorts have a restaurant that serves breakfast. With an Italian restaurant I doubt breakfast will be served.
 

Admiral01

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I'm sure this will be a decent restaurant, but it is ashame that we are getting another Italian restaurant and losing a relatively unique Greek restaurant. I really liked Kouzzina, both because it was good Greek, and because it was unique compared to the other restaurants on property. As others have stated, this new restaurant will just be another Italian joint, and will be within a stones throw of Via Napoli.

Too bad.
 

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