Movielover
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"Okay guys, who left the smoke machine on overnight? This is Paris, not Silent Hill!"
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Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris
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"Okay guys, who left the smoke machine on overnight? This is Paris, not Silent Hill!"
LittleMerman
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Gotcha. At least it looks like everything that's actually happening is included.
It's the new Pooh movie attraction.View attachment 708327
"Okay guys, who left the smoke machine on overnight? This is Paris, not Silent Hill!"
Jordan dby
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I thought they replicated parisian weather really well to be honest, great detail and realism for a concept image
rickreptile
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That's just smoke from all the trash in Paris that isn't picked due to protests and fires those protesters keep makingView attachment 708327
"Okay guys, who left the smoke machine on overnight? This is Paris, not Silent Hill!"
DonniePeverley
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So what's the attraction in Frozen going to be ?
cjkeating
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A slightly refined version of Frozen Ever After at Epcot. We'll get a very good idea of any changes when the same ride opens in Hong Kong later in the year.
Moon knight
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Unlike TDR, the Parisian resort has insane development delays, we're talking about decades not even years. The WDC has realised the true value of the hyper-regulated European market, unlike China, which does not have the same type of consumption at all, and DLP is the only Disney resort that is not perpetually confronted with natural disaster risks.
The Chinese parks are unmanageable with the hold of the Chinese communist party. In Europe, they are mostly bringing the parks in line with the American experience, if not exceeding it in terms of quality and hospitality. The new entry sequence with the security checks is just beautiful, Disney Village is going to get closer to the Disney Springs offering and the WDS will start to feel more "complete", as far as the offering is concerned, than some of the WDW parks.
In fact, they're trying to figure out today how this resort, which is really becoming a holiday and meeting destination for friends or co-workers, could accommodate an adapted version of the Magic Band+.
However, certain functionalities would not be possible in France due to the European data protection policy and some requests of the CNIL.
The choice of The Lion King is well thought out, they know that it is the right time to build an attraction based on this masterpiece. Avatar and Star Wars will arrive 1 or 2 years later, frankly we won't complain. The logic is to bet on exclusivity again after copying and pasting attractions that already exist elsewhere. They already did very well with Mermaid Lagoon, yet there aren't that many key places in Atlantica apart from the palace, Ursula's lair and Ariel's cave. They'll get you through it just fine, no worries there.
@Parkatm other projects are planned for Adventureland in the long term with WDW, these expansions are 1000 times more consistent with the theme of the land, the Lion King in Adventureland is almost as outrageous as putting Zootopia in DAK. In DLP Adventureland is divided into geographical areas and they have no more room in the African area...
I would add that it is a totally deliberate choice to have only one Frozen attraction at the moment and not a lack of budget. It's the kind of universe where one attraction is enough, beyond one it would become redundant. Afterwards, they will always have the possibility to build additions to this land, especially when you realise that once under refurbishment, the whole land will be kind of dead...
So far they haven't had any major problems with the budget, it's always been a transfer rather than a reduction in the budget. For instance Tiana's Palace was replaced by a smaller pavilion to improve the concept of the waterside table service restaurant, which was then very similar to DCA's Lampost Lounge.
Sir_Cliff
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They went with two in HKDL and the universe seems to support the two with no problems from what we know so far.
i dont really get the "beyond one would be redundant" argument either....having more than 1 ride in a massive themed area is never a bad thing imo and DSP desp needs it more than any other park. Hopefully something will be added in the future to round the land out, I could absolutely see the cancelled HK sliding sleighs ride being added onto the lake front perhaps or maybe an ice covered mountain coaster like matterhorn in the back.
UNCgolf
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Also, even if someone really likes Frozen Ever After, it's just a C ticket. It's not remotely close to being a sole headlining attraction for a land; it'd be like building a Finding Nemo/Dory land and then just dropping in the Nemo ride from EPCOT as the attraction. Or building a Toy Story Land that only included Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin.
If it was just "hey we're going to add a Frozen ride to Fantasyland" then FEA would be okay -- not great, since it's a badly designed ride, but okay. It's a strange choice as a centerpiece of something new.
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Are these not D-tickets instead of C?
But it doesn't change the argument, I agree with you.
In fact I 'll repeat something I said on the french forum:
Once upon a time, we had big and immersive lands with a general and generic theming like adventure, fairy tales, future, far west...
We could easily fit any attraction of any IP as long as it fits the general theming of the land.
Then, it started shifting. Maybe when Universal built the Harry Potter lands, or maybe before, I don't know when, but we started to build lands with a single IP. That was indeed to make the lands even more immersive because you can actually walk in your favorite places from your favorite movies. So we got Pandora, Radiator Springs, Galaxy's Edge which are very immersives lands, but also very expensive to build and they basically means that all the money goes to one single IP while before, you could balance the IPs and not putting all into the same basket.
So what did they do next? They started to create mini-lands to decrease the risk. Zootopia, Frozen, Ratatouille at our studios (yeah, Paris was early on this trend because the trend appeared to save money and Paris always had to save money ^^)
But I find the mini-lands to be not as immersive as the big IP lands and not even as immersive as the old generic theming lands. In fact, when they multiply the mini-lands around a lake, it makes it look like they deconstructed the old immersive design to reconstruct it, only with no consistency.
The fact that every mini-land doesn't have systematically a E-ticket makes it look like in fact, all the mini-lands are part of a larger inconsistent land and that kills the immersion that was intended to be better. I would prefer that they sticked to the old design of a generic big themed land.
If the lake is like a green fantasyland, I can see the consistency with the Frozen Mini-land at least. But I have trouble to connect the dots with the Lion King world. As for Pandora, if we have it someday, I would expect it to be a big single IP land and not a mini-land.
But it doesn't change the argument, I agree with you.
In fact I 'll repeat something I said on the french forum:
Once upon a time, we had big and immersive lands with a general and generic theming like adventure, fairy tales, future, far west...
We could easily fit any attraction of any IP as long as it fits the general theming of the land.
Then, it started shifting. Maybe when Universal built the Harry Potter lands, or maybe before, I don't know when, but we started to build lands with a single IP. That was indeed to make the lands even more immersive because you can actually walk in your favorite places from your favorite movies. So we got Pandora, Radiator Springs, Galaxy's Edge which are very immersives lands, but also very expensive to build and they basically means that all the money goes to one single IP while before, you could balance the IPs and not putting all into the same basket.
So what did they do next? They started to create mini-lands to decrease the risk. Zootopia, Frozen, Ratatouille at our studios (yeah, Paris was early on this trend because the trend appeared to save money and Paris always had to save money ^^)
But I find the mini-lands to be not as immersive as the big IP lands and not even as immersive as the old generic theming lands. In fact, when they multiply the mini-lands around a lake, it makes it look like they deconstructed the old immersive design to reconstruct it, only with no consistency.
The fact that every mini-land doesn't have systematically a E-ticket makes it look like in fact, all the mini-lands are part of a larger inconsistent land and that kills the immersion that was intended to be better. I would prefer that they sticked to the old design of a generic big themed land.
If the lake is like a green fantasyland, I can see the consistency with the Frozen Mini-land at least. But I have trouble to connect the dots with the Lion King world. As for Pandora, if we have it someday, I would expect it to be a big single IP land and not a mini-land.
Moon knight
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HKDL needed a 40s kiddie coaster that's all... It will feature Olaf and Sven, the two most represented Frozen characters in Frozen Ever After. How original !
Some European fans want to have exactly the same thing as other parks only because the others have it and we don't, except it doesn't work like that. Each park has different needs, HKDL already has a tea cup attraction, WDS does not. The demand for coasters in Asia and Europe is not the same and it would be a mistake to rebuild a very low capacity "family" coaster in this park after the underevaluated capacity of Crush Coaster. They preferred to use the remaining money to have two new and beautiful flat rides rather than a poor Gadget Coaster. Now I agree that it is a bit light, I myself would have re-themed and moved Cars Quatre Roues Rallye here by replacing the cars with sleds.
It will be a D-ticket/ D-ticket+ at DLP...
Sir_Cliff
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To be honest, I don't quite get the argument that WDS needs more flat rides over a new family coaster as the park already seems to have plenty of tame flat rides that aren't swamped by guests as it is. It also seems like a different argument than another ride in Frozenland being redundant. Maybe capacity would have been an issue for the coaster (or whatever else they could have put in there), though the fact Crush's Coaster is swamped doesn't seem like an argument for WDS not needing more family coaster-style attractions.
FEA - It's a Bob Special©!
The exterior visuals will have to be absolutely stunning to justify putting this as the centerpiece across the new lake. They've had time to come up with something better than a clone of a poorly-done overlay.
UNCgolf
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Are they spending another $100+ million to redesign the ride? It would need to be at least twice as long (i.e. adding several new scenes) and have a serious overhaul to most of the existing scenes to make it to D ticket status. It's one of the weaker C tickets at WDW.
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Moon knight
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Sir_Cliff,
they do, indeed, need a family coaster for this park and not a 40s kiddie-coaster ride like the Gadget GO-Coaster. But let's face it, if they would have put all the money in this coaster, Lake Promenade would be quite empty without any ride... If you were an executive you'd have took the same decision. Each project of this expansion has a very limited budget therefore we're getting into this absurd situation in which a land based on How to train your Dragon will propose 2/3 more rides than the one based on the most profitable animated feature ever...
mrflo
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I think there is hardly any DLP fan who would disagree with the fact that both parks are in need of investments for major new attractions. It is not like that Disney has not made any plans for potential DLP expansions over the years before - e.g. look at the rumoured plans from back in 2014. I am not sceptical about the need of those development plans or them existing. I would be very happy if all of the things that you mention become reality. But history has shown how quickly any of those plans can fall apart - even for things officially announced. While I still appreciate the fact that things are progressing at DLP like never before, I share the anxiety with some other board members that DLP could put the brakes back on and the additional attractions after Frozen might not come as quickly as planned. Bob Iger's believe that park revenue growth is coming from expansion and not price increases can be a positive indicator. But by the time Frozen opens, a new CEO might have already taken over.
Exclusivity definitely can play a role for fans who regularly visit the parks in the US or Asia. And I am sure the folks at WDI prefer to make their mark by creating a new attraction from scratch rather than just adapting one. The original Space Mountain in DLP or Mystic Manor are great examples of how exclusive new rides can put a park on the map for many new visitors - even without relying on an IP. But it is mainly the quality of the attraction that matters first to attract new visitors.
When Tower of Terror opened in WDS it created a major spike in attendance for the park. The popularity of the attraction in the US might have even generated additional buzz in Europe. While Ratatoutile was an exclusive ride with high development/construction costs, it was only able to deliver a minor jump in attendance. I hope Lion King will deliver instead - in terms of e-ticket quality and appeal to new visitors.
mrflo
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Just saw your response after answering to your other post.
Okay, so there is very limited budget after all. But if they don't even have enough budget to add something like a Frozen-themed Seven Dwarfs Mine Train - which actually has a larger capacity than Splash Mountain -, how is there then budget to develop a brand new attraction for the Lion King and add Pandora and Star Wars lands shortly after?