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Genie of the Lamp

Genie of the Lamp

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So I just checked my Rotten Tomatoes IPhone app, and Oz now has a 57% approval rating from the 104 critics who wrote their review on that site. So 59/104 approved. Although it still has 99% of audience wants to see it.
 
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doppelv

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PeterAlt said:
Remember when that bridge in MN collapsed? Suddenly there was a call to replace the old crumbling bridges with new ones, but there was a problem. That state didn't have nearly as many engineers as it did back when all that infrastructure was built. I remember hearing people in that state say things like they wish they had the intellectual brain trust of their forefathers who built their state a long time ago so that they could rebuild before things go into disrepair. It's just one of those things that I kept in the back of my head, because it's just weird that people would ever think that previous generations were any more advanced than the current one. It sounded especially weird to a Floridian, where everything is always in a state of construction and growth. Any way, they couldn't find local companies who were qualified - or knew how the design the type of big bridge that collapsed and killed hundred of people, whom drowned in their vehicles in icy depths. Out of state contractors were eventually hired.

Any way, I'm going off in a tangent about this because the current management - I don't know why - reminds me of this. Like I said in an earlier post, under Eisner, they just kept building - more and much more quickly. Growth at WDW was EXPLOSIVE. Now, under the current management, they're very much like the people of MN back during the years when that bridge collapsed and have forgotten how to build things. I mean they do try. Art of Animation took... what, TEN years to get completed... FLE progresses, but it seems to have been under construction for a very long time. Disney Springs/Hyperion Warf has been in a stage of conceptualization for how many years now, as they scratch their heads, trying to remember what it was the Eisner team did that like magic turned vacant swamps into resorts and swimming pools. How long ago was Avatar announced? It's as if they've been staring at the model, waiting for it to grow, but no matter how much they water it and give it sunlight, it wants to crawl and take shape but its forgotten how...
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While I get what you're trying to say, and I agree with the premise, this post is borderline insulting. The 35W bridge disaster was not due to a lack of engineers, there was much more to it. 13 people lost their lives, not a hundred, and it happened in August, which in Minnesota is far from being an icy time of year. Hindsight is always 20/20, and investigations afterward showed bridges all around the country were in disrepair, including a few at WDW. In the end, the contractors were selected due to bids, not due to expertise, a few Minnesota companies made construction bids as well. Minnesota's extreme climate certainly played a role in the bridges collapse, but I would contend it was poor decisions on the part of government agencies and politicians, not lack of knowledge, that is to blame for this, and many such disasters. People are never willing to listen to those who find the problems until the problems make themselves known.
 
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doppelv

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HMF said:
The sooner Iger leaves, the better. I am really hoping Oz bombs and NextGen falls flat on it's face.
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That's a really silly thing to say. Just remember, if NexGen fails, Bob Iger still walks away with millions, but the hundreds of cast members whose jobs rely on this project being successful would be sent to the unemployment lines. There's more at stake with this project then just a CEO's ego. If NexGen fails, the company will recover its losses the only way big corporations know how these days...cuts from the bottom.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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doppelv said:
While I get what you're trying to say, and I agree with the premise, this post is borderline insulting. The 35W bridge disaster was not due to a lack of engineers, there was much more to it. 13 people lost their lives, not a hundred, and it happened in August, which in Minnesota is far from being an icy time of year. Hindsight is always 20/20, and investigations afterward showed bridges all around the country were in disrepair, including a few at WDW. In the end, the contractors were selected due to bids, not due to expertise, a few Minnesota companies made construction bids as well. Minnesota's extreme climate certainly played a role in the bridges collapse, but I would contend it was poor decisions on the part of government agencies and politicians, not lack of knowledge, that is to blame for this, and many such disasters. People are never willing to listen to those who find the problems until the problems make themselves known.
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Yeah, as I wrote that, I did hear a voice in my head tell me I was borderline insulting. Another kept nagging me me to do some fact checking. I reasoned that anyone with intelligence would understand that the intention was not to insult but to draw weird parallels. Thanks for fixing the facts that I was too lazy to research. It was people from MN who called into Coast to Coast AM who said those things about collectivly forgetting how to build things. It as just an odd thing for them to say. So odd, that, obviously, I'm still thinking about it.
 
HMF

HMF

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doppelv said:
That's a really silly thing to say. Just remember, if NexGen fails, Bob Iger still walks away with millions, but the hundreds of cast members whose jobs rely on this project being successful would be sent to the unemployment lines. There's more at stake with this project then just a CEO's ego. If NexGen fails, the company will recover its losses the only way big corporations know how these days...cuts from the bottom.
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If it must succeed it has to have SERIOUS modifications.
 
Hedwig's Keeper

Hedwig's Keeper

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doppelv said:
That's a really silly thing to say. Just remember, if NexGen fails, Bob Iger still walks away with millions, but the hundreds of cast members whose jobs rely on this project being successful would be sent to the unemployment lines. There's more at stake with this project then just a CEO's ego. If NexGen fails, the company will recover its losses the only way big corporations know how these days...cuts from the bottom.
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IMHO, I don't think that NextGen will fail. It all depends on what you define as fail though but Disney will get it to work on some functional level, it will give them a wealth of data, and marketing will excel from data mining. Just like most things, there will be a spectrum for how people perceive it - that 10% at the top that will become the "I'll die if I don't have this" followed by the 25% that love it, the next 35% that just feel good about it, and then the spectrum will fall off until we reach the bottom 10% that absolutely hate it and want to see it go immediately. And then over time the spectrum will melt into each other and it won't matter much anymore, except those of us now will be telling the youngsters of decades to come about the old days when you actually had to stop and give them a ticket. So I don't think any Disney employees should be on edge, I think their jobs and ample piles of patent applications for NextGen are safe.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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dhall said:
All of this is spot on -- its how we got to the current state, and there've been people warning against it the whole time. I'm not just talking about Disney -- it's just a reflection of society as a whole. I really don't want to minimize the accuracy of what you've posted here...



... but believe me, you'll find that this gets easier and easier to imagine as time passes.

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It's just fascinating to me because we always think the future is better and things are the best it has been, but it really wasn't always like this.

Imagine the time of Leonardo Da Vinci. As he grew up, he couldn't help but notice that his world had been built on the ruins of a much more technologically advanced civilization: Rome.

I just hope there will never be a time when we look back at all the technological greatness and engineering feats of the past and say, "Well, those were the days..." It would be an absolute travesty if that ever did. That's why I worry whenever anyone is willing to accept the best not in present terms.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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I disliked Alice for the most part, thought it was pretty mediocre. Decent visuals with a story that ranged from bland at best to sometimes awful at times. After hearing similar impressions about Oz from movie goers, i'm keeping my expectations rock bottom. I WAS looking forward to it but preparing for more disappointment after the impressions i've seen. The 56% and falling score on Rotten Tomatoes isn't filling me with confidence either.

It'll probably make money regardless though, critical reaction will mean very little to the studio.
 
Hedwig's Keeper

Hedwig's Keeper

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Oz will have its laughs here and there with little peaks of interest, intensity, and curiosity, but I don't get the feeling it will be the type of movie that people will walk out of in awe. But it will do.
 

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