Toy Story Playland

[lazyboy97o]

It's not wrong in EVERY WAY because it's simply my opinion, just like you have yours. You hate the idea of TSPL and will argue against it no matter what. It's not up to you or to me to determine what the park needs but I'm not saying ALL it needs is kiddy rides. It needs those on top of what you listed Disneyhead'71 (An E/D/C). If you add just those rides, then it's new Fantasyland all over again. Yes it adds a bunch of rides but they aren't going to do all that (IMO). You also have to be realistic. I'd love all of what you'd listed. But the park ALSO needs flat rides. IMO. I'm NOT saying that's *all* it needs. If we get JUST that, I won't be a very happy camper.

There are far better, more creative ways to add smaller experiences than just resorting to flat rides, especially flat rides with an easy to apply "theme."

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't know how to say this politely, but you are wrong on just about every point you made.

No, DHS doesn't need carnival rides. It needs capacity.

No, we haven't entered capacity crisis now anymore than the past 25 years. DHS only ever had 6 rides. Closing one doesn't constitute "Buy everything in the Zamperla catalog and paint a frickin' Mickey on it, NOW!!!!!". Just because TDO suddenly realized DHS only has 5 rides doesn't mean WE haven't been discussing the situation since Al Gore invented the internet.

The Monsters, Inc. Coaster, a Ratatouille themed RR's Cartoon Spin and a Cars themed version of the Rat ride in Paris would give the capacity and bring the Disney Quality. The C, D, E trifecta.

Or we can settle for carnival rides. TDO's choice.

I think there's room (both physically and in the budget) for both the Playland and your C, D, E trifecta.

I think the capacity crisis is far worse than it was in the past. It's not just the 1 ride that is closing. It's potentially several shows as well. The BLT even in its stripped down version was still a good 30 to 45 mins depending on when you arrived and how long you needed to wait for the next show to begin at the water tank. If they really close Indy and LMA those were huge people eating shows that absorbed crowds for up to an hour depending on how early people arrived to get good seats. They also closed AI recently. When you combine the shows closing with the removal of BLT you are potentially removing up to 3 hours of guest time. This was a park that some had already started calling a half day park. Regular visitors may have been skipping those shows for years, but the average guest was still going. Now that they have 3 extra hours to kill they will be looking to repeat something like GMR, Star Tours or even ToT that has reasonable lines to fill their time or they will leave the park unhappy.

The park is shifting its focus from a working movie studio with a focus on longer shows and attractions to one based on Disney owned IPs. That's a positive step since the movie studio thing was pretty much dead anyway, but without the time eating studio themed attractions they need to offer guests more to do. Adding 2 or 3 rides isn't going to cut it unless they are really long rides. Realistically, they at least need to double the ride count. The budget is big, but not big enought to build 6 new D/E tickets. There will need to be a mix of B/C ticket rides thrown in too. They won't be the reason to visit the park, but they will provide a fun way to spend some time in between riding the headliners. If they add 3 new E/D tickets (2 Pixar and 1 SW) plus 4 or 5 B/C tickets (3 to 4 Pixar and 1 SW) that puts us at 12 or 13 rides with 8 in the D/E range and 4 or 5 in the B/C range. Plus the LM and Beauty and the Beast shows and a few other exhibits or minor attractions. If you include Fantasmic as the nighttime entertainment that's getting us into the range of a complete 1 day park.

 

[GoofGoof]

There are far better, more creative ways to add smaller experiences than just resorting to flat rides, especially flat rides with an easy to apply "theme."

Honestly, what is a better way? I'm just curious to hear your opinion. I'm not in love with TSPL so I could be easily swayed if there are better alternatives. I do actually think TSPL is better than just adding a random spinner themed to Toy Story next to TSMM. We all kinda cringe at the Alladin Spinner that just doesn't really fit in its area at MK. I guess the Jack Sparrow thing at DHS was an attempt at a non-flat ride small attraction , but it was a pretty big failure.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Honestly, what is a better way? I'm just curious to hear your opinion. I'm not in love with TSPL so I could be easily swayed if there are better alternatives. I do actually think TSPL is better than just adding a random spinner themed to Toy Story next to TSMM. We all kinda cringe at the Alladin Spinner that just doesn't really fit in its area at MK. I guess the Jack Sparrow thing at DHS was an attempt at a non-flat ride small attraction , but it was a pretty big failure.

Walkthroughs. Small dark rides. Small shows. Even shops and restaurants when made unique and interesting are now serving as experiences that must be seen by visitors.

 

[twebber55]

There are far better, more creative ways to add smaller experiences than just resorting to flat rides, especially flat rides with an easy to apply "theme."

Like..

 

[flyerjab]

I think there's room (both physically and in the budget) for both the Playland and your C, D, E trifecta.

I think the capacity crisis is far worse than it was in the past. It's not just the 1 ride that is closing. It's potentially several shows as well. The BLT even in its stripped down version was still a good 30 to 45 mins depending on when you arrived and how long you needed to wait for the next show to begin at the water tank. If they really close Indy and LMA those were huge people eating shows that absorbed crowds for up to an hour depending on how early people arrived to get good seats. They also closed AI recently. When you combine the shows closing with the removal of BLT you are potentially removing up to 3 hours of guest time. This was a park that some had already started calling a half day park. Regular visitors may have been skipping those shows for years, but the average guest was still going. Now that they have 3 extra hours to kill they will be looking to repeat something like GMR, Star Tours or even ToT that has reasonable lines to fill their time or they will leave the park unhappy.

The park is shifting its focus from a working movie studio with a focus on longer shows and attractions to one based on Disney owned IPs. That's a positive step since the movie studio thing was pretty much dead anyway, but without the time eating studio themed attractions they need to offer guests more to do. Adding 2 or 3 rides isn't going to cut it unless they are really long rides. Realistically, they at least need to double the ride count. The budget is big, but not big enought to build 6 new D/E tickets. There will need to be a mix of B/C ticket rides thrown in too. They won't be the reason to visit the park, but they will provide a fun way to spend some time in between riding the headliners. If they add 3 new E/D tickets (2 Pixar and 1 SW) plus 4 or 5 B/C tickets (3 to 4 Pixar and 1 SW) that puts us at 12 or 13 rides with 8 in the D/E range and 4 or 5 in the B/C range. Plus the LM and Beauty and the Beast shows and a few other exhibits or minor attractions. If you include Fantasmic as the nighttime entertainment that's getting us into the range of a complete 1 day park.

Speaking specifically to Fantasmic, I could have sworn that someone hinted that people who really like that show had better go see it in 2015 as the clock will also start ticking for that also.

That was brought up once but never repeated.

 

[wdisney9000]

Walkthroughs. Small dark rides. Small shows. Even shops and restaurants when made unique and interesting are now serving as experiences that must be seen by visitors.

50s prime time and Sci Fi are good examples. They are usually full and hold a decent amount of people and definitely make good money. We made Tune In Lounge a 'must do' on our recent trip and loved it. Will definitely do it again. A well themed bar/restaurant is a great way to eat up crowds and get them to spend money. Partner a restaurant with a walk through experience while you wait and youve got gold (Millennium Falcon maybe?)

 

[GoofGoof]

Walkthroughs. Small dark rides. Small shows. Even shops and restaurants when made unique and interesting are now serving as experiences that must be seen by visitors.

I would be OK with those types of things but that sounds a lot like what people complain about with FLE. Belle's being a walkthrough, BOG and Gaston's being well themed restaurants. The biggest complaint is not enough rides.

I would have no issue with them creating a highly themed Monstropolis complete with a dark ride, an elaborate M&G area, a show similar in scope to Laugh Floor and a restaurant/shops and then building out Carsland with a D ticket dark ride (RSR light) and the 2 C tickets from DCA. For Toy Story they could just build a smaller version of TSPL without the rides that would just be a walkthrough with kids play areas and maybe a water area like Casey Jr. You would be replacing several flat rides with a show and a walkthrough. Realistically, that's more likely than my original post. I just think the vast majority of people would prefer the rides (I'm using FLE as a good example).

 

[Mike S]

I think there's room (both physically and in the budget) for both the Playland and your C, D, E trifecta.

I think the capacity crisis is far worse than it was in the past. It's not just the 1 ride that is closing. It's potentially several shows as well. The BLT even in its stripped down version was still a good 30 to 45 mins depending on when you arrived and how long you needed to wait for the next show to begin at the water tank. If they really close Indy and LMA those were huge people eating shows that absorbed crowds for up to an hour depending on how early people arrived to get good seats. They also closed AI recently. When you combine the shows closing with the removal of BLT you are potentially removing up to 3 hours of guest time. This was a park that some had already started calling a half day park. Regular visitors may have been skipping those shows for years, but the average guest was still going. Now that they have 3 extra hours to kill they will be looking to repeat something like GMR, Star Tours or even ToT that has reasonable lines to fill their time or they will leave the park unhappy.

The park is shifting its focus from a working movie studio with a focus on longer shows and attractions to one based on Disney owned IPs. That's a positive step since the movie studio thing was pretty much dead anyway, but without the time eating studio themed attractions they need to offer guests more to do. Adding 2 or 3 rides isn't going to cut it unless they are really long rides. Realistically, they at least need to double the ride count. The budget is big, but not big enought to build 6 new D/E tickets. There will need to be a mix of B/C ticket rides thrown in too. They won't be the reason to visit the park, but they will provide a fun way to spend some time in between riding the headliners. If they add 3 new E/D tickets (2 Pixar and 1 SW) plus 4 or 5 B/C tickets (3 to 4 Pixar and 1 SW) that puts us at 12 or 13 rides with 8 in the D/E range and 4 or 5 in the B/C range. Plus the LM and Beauty and the Beast shows and a few other exhibits or minor attractions. If you include Fantasmic as the nighttime entertainment that's getting us into the range of a complete 1 day park.

3 new D/E Tickets and 4 or 5 B/C Tickets would actually be pretty good. Bring over the Ratatouille ride from Paris and finally build the Monsters Inc. Door Coaster along with TSPL and that would be a pretty great Pixar Place. Then of course the big Star Wars E Ticket and maybe a smaller ride along with the new Star Tours scenes. That would be a pretty great makeover of DHS.

 

[wdisney9000]

3 new D/E Tickets and 4 or 5 B/C Tickets would actually be pretty good.

Love that idea, but for 7 new rides at DHS we would have to wish soooo hard that we would be sharting magic in our pants.

 

[Bolt]

I say add 50 e tickets. Right??

 

[ToTBellHop]

Speaking specifically to Fantasmic, I could have sworn that someone hinted that people who really like that show had better go see it in 2015 as the clock will also start ticking for that also.

That was brought up once but never repeated.

The owner of this website has said F! is leaving.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I would be OK with those types of things but that sounds a lot like what people complain about with FLE. Belle's being a walkthrough, BOG and Gaston's being well themed restaurants. The biggest complaint is not enough rides.

I would have no issue with them creating a highly themed Monstropolis complete with a dark ride, an elaborate M&G area, a show similar in scope to Laugh Floor and a restaurant/shops and then building out Carsland with a D ticket dark ride (RSR light) and the 2 C tickets from DCA. For Toy Story they could just build a smaller version of TSPL without the rides that would just be a walkthrough with kids play areas and maybe a water area like Casey Jr. You would be replacing several flat rides with a show and a walkthrough. Realistically, that's more likely than my original post. I just think the vast majority of people would prefer the rides (I'm using FLE as a good example).

Belle's is not a walkthrough. It is an enhanced meet and greet that is specifically aimed at little children. Be Our Guest is pretty good, put feels flat and due to Disney's dining system is not overly open like a Three Broomsticks or Leaky Cauldron. Gaston's Tavern has a menu that is completely disconnected from its source material. Their collective failure is due to content and execution, not attraction type or scale.

 

[GoofGoof]

Love that idea, but for 7 new rides at DHS we would have to wish soooo hard that we would be sharting magic in our pants.

It's not that unrealistic. If you assume SW includes 2 rides then that leaves 5 for Pixar. This TSPL thing is supposed to have 3 rides. That means 2 additional Pixar rides outside of TSPL. I would say no less than 5 rides and up to 7 with this expansion. It won't be 7 new headliners, but 7 is possible with a mix of rides.

 

[GoofGoof]

Belle's is not a walkthrough. It is an enhanced meet and greet that is specifically aimed at little children. Be Our Guest is pretty good, put feels flat and due to Disney's dining system is not overly open like a Three Broomsticks or Leaky Cauldron. Gaston's Tavern has a menu that is completely disconnected from its source material. Their collective failure is due to content and execution, not attraction type or scale.

I still consider Belle's to be more of a walkthrough, but I guess it really depends if you have kids or not. I think whatever happens with the Pixar part of this project it's probably going to be geared towards kids too.

I would tend to agree that it's the overall experience that matters. I just think a lot of other people are mostly just going to count the number of rides and then complain if it's not a high enough number.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I still consider Belle's to be more of a walkthrough, but I guess it really depends if you have kids or not. I think whatever happens with the Pixar part of this project it's probably going to be geared towards kids too.

I would tend to agree that it's the overall experience that matters. I just think a lot of other people are mostly just going to count the number of rides and then complain if it's not a high enough number.

But you really don't see those complaints about the Wizarding World of Harry Potter or even something like Springfield. New Orleans Square is still praised to this day with no new rides since 1969.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

If its on the scale of the DCA remake, there should be about that many more or less.

With DCA, these were built:
Red Car Trolley
Radiator Springs Racers
Luigis Flying Tires
Mater's Junkyard Jamboree
Arial's Undersea Adventure
Plus World of Color. Two Pier rides got remakes.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Yeah, but look at those two amazing E Ticket attractions- Pirates and Haunted Mansion. Both beloved classics to this day. Fully immersive and each more than 3-4 minutes. Besides, how much more room is there in NOS?

 

[wdrive]

What if they say Andy brought a Pizza Planet play set. That's why its toy size and you can go in.

Is a bit weak and will be lost on most guests.

 

[RandomPrincess]

Is a bit weak and will be lost on most guests.

Do you think most guests even care what the theme is anyway?