CaptinEO
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Not their first menstruation film actually, the first dated back to Walt's day.
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CaptinEO
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In your eyes would there be a way to tell a story about a girl going through puberty to appeal to yourself or the "wide demographic" you are mentioning. More characters and musical numbers are the solution?
I guess I see this film as something more akin to Studio Ghibli who sometimes make smaller more simple/focused films. I get with Disney and Pixar everything is usually a big broadway spectactal type film.
I welcome the variety of different types of films from Pixar and Disney because the broadway shtick where characters sing a big motivational song is so overdone IMO.
Last I want is more filler ballads for a Disney fireworks show.
TP2000
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It's like cars, and the ancient arts of marketing and design.
You can design and market an automobile that looks macho, and that both men and women will buy in droves.
Or you can design and market an automobile that looks girly, and that men will stay away from like the plague and only a small slice of women will buy.
But most automakers would rather have a macho car that women buy, than a girly car that men avoid.
TP2000
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I'm scared, and yet I'm intrigued... but I'm still scared. Care to elaborate? Wait, no, I'm scared!
TP2000
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No, I'm not saying that at all. And I don't go to see Superhero movies. It's not my scene, no matter how small the t-shirt is on the twink who will appear in the DCA pre-show.
All I'm saying is that several big movie studios have released disastrous box office bombs over the past 120 days. And when they bomb, and bomb hard, the studios pretend that they can blame Covid. And yet... several movies have done gonzo huge box office numbers at the same time the bombs were bombing. Like Spiderman and Batman.
So obviously there a huge amount of Americans with money to spend who will go see a movie if they think it's a good movie worthy of their entertainment dollars. Which is the beauty of a free market economy of free consumers.
That's great. Positive reactions. How much are those worth at tax time?
When Disney has to write off the $200 Million loss that they suffered because of West Side Story's failure to sell tickets, you should go down to the Burbank branch of Bank of America and remind them "I heard plenty of positive reactions about West Side Story!" and see if they can't give Disney some sort of a credit. At the very least, maybe they could send over some calendars to the Burbank offices to thank them for doing business with Bank of America.
For whatever reason, Americans stayed away from the movies that bombed at the box office. You can blame Marketing, or blame Covid (but that doesn't explain Spiderman's record setting performance), or you can blame the stale popcorn at the snack bar. But there's a reason why Americans don't go to movies that don't entice them to buy a ticket. Learning that secret is the secret to Hollywood success for the past 100 years. Hollywood hasn't been very successful at it lately.
I should know. I bought a ticket to Death On The Nile, and was baffled at why a 1930's nightclub was so smutty and had so many couples dirty dancing and getting to 3rd base before the song ended. Agatha Christie would also like an answer to that, I'd imagine. Death On The Nile lost a good chunk of change for its studio. But at least the dancers had some fun.
PiratesMansion
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I feel like a story about a girl going through puberty is a more common and universal experience for people (given that ~50% of people on the earth go through it themselves) than encountering living toys, talking cars, superheroes living among us, or monsters with their own complex society, but it is interesting that no one questions the appeal of those stories and suddenly this one has been placed under the microscope.
But I do agree with whoever said (in this thread or whatever other one this discussion is also taking place in) that our society often has an aversion to, if not outright hatred for, things targeted directly towards women, and particularly teen and pre-teen girls. In another example of this phenomenon, while I haven't read the books or watched the movies, I have to imagine that, say, Twilight wasn't actually the worst crime against art ever committed, as was fairly commonly expressed in media back in the day, and that a lot of the derision that franchise experienced came from which demographic embraced it the most. I feel like we're seeing some of the same principle at play here with Turning Red.
But I do agree with whoever said (in this thread or whatever other one this discussion is also taking place in) that our society often has an aversion to, if not outright hatred for, things targeted directly towards women, and particularly teen and pre-teen girls. In another example of this phenomenon, while I haven't read the books or watched the movies, I have to imagine that, say, Twilight wasn't actually the worst crime against art ever committed, as was fairly commonly expressed in media back in the day, and that a lot of the derision that franchise experienced came from which demographic embraced it the most. I feel like we're seeing some of the same principle at play here with Turning Red.
When i met my wife in 2009 I’m embarrassed to say she was Twilight crazy. I mean, she even had Google alerts letting her know when the actors from the movie were in the Los Angeles area.
Needless to say I went to see all the movies with her, except the first one I think. Anyway, they weren’t my cup of tea but being a fan of fantasy films I found something to like about those movies that at least kept me semi entertained between the vampires, werewolves and some of the different storylines. There was just almost nothing for me in Turning Red. Not a character, not a song, no animal sidekick , no villain, no interesting setting. Zilch. It was practically one storyline with a handful of similar characters and if that didn’t appeal to you then you re out of luck.
Which is weird. I’ve never watched a Disney or Pixar movie and even thought of demographics. They ve always felt Universal to me so It’s just a topic that never even crossed my mind until this movie.
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Californian Elitist
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And I thought my Twilight obsession was bad…
Speaking of Malibu Seafood, an old friend of mine (who is a foodie and reviews food all the time) recently went to London and said that the fish n chips at Malibu Seafood is just as good if not better than the highest rated spot in London. I wasn’t sure if I should be happy or disappointed?
Californian Elitist
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The fact that this was actually a thing is scary. I wouldn’t want a bunch of people knowing that I was in a particular area.She was extremely jealous when I told her I saw Robert Pattinson at Malibu Seafood with the help of no Google alerts.
Is she still into Twilight? I’m often curious about the evolution of Twilight fans. It was definitely a phase for me. I had/read the books and watched the movies (up until Eclipse), had posters, bought merchandise, etc., but my fascination and obsession slowly started dying out and by sometime in 2010, I started disliking it and it eventually became unbearable.
Californian Elitist
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I 100% believe your friend. I had fish and chips in both Dublin and London and both meals were bland, bland, BLAND. They don’t season the fish and batter, at least they didn’t at the spots I went to. I kept having to use the salt shaker every time I took a bite. The fries were bland, too. No one seasoned any of that food lol.
When I return to Great Britain and Ireland, I’m going to bring a small bottle of Lawry’s seasoning with me. The ethnic food there was good, but traditional British food… Yikes.
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Lol wow you and her were on the same level. She was a few years older than you though lol. She’s not really into it anymore. Once in a blue moon if it’s on TV she ll watch it in spurts. Im not sure if anyone is into it anymore. Doesn’t seem to have aged well and seems like people forgot about it.
Californian Elitist
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Twilight was a phenomenon. I agree with you that it hasn’t aged well at all. But knowing Hollywood, we’ll get a remake within the next 20 years. Can’t wait.
I believe it! I haven’t heard good things about traditional English food. I didn’t even like anything at 3 Broomsticks.
WDWJoeG
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It's a joke people! And we already covered the student education film in the other thread!
Could posters please get back on topic? Not sure how we got to food in Dublin and the Twilight movies.
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