Tomorrowland Ball Back

[Krack]

Thanks for this. It gets really old when there are so many that pop off without any knowledge whatsoever and when they get called on it, they hide behind semantics like I didn't "insist."

It is hard to wade through the flotsam and jetsam to get to actual information. It's tiring.

Are you kidding? What I stated I said in this thread is exactly the same as what I wrote in the previous thread. I even went back and checked before I corrected the original poster this morning because I wanted to make sure someone else hadn't said something after I had abandoned the first thread.

The original poster claimed there were people insisting the ball was gone forever. I repeat, nobody insisted anything. One person (me) said I was guessing it was being removed over the cost of repairing water effects. Then when asked if routine maintenance was an equally likely reason, I gave my opinion (which was no) - this was, of course, based on the (at least) 15-20 fountains that have been shut off over the years. Nobody insisted anything.

How anybody could read the quoted portion and claim that's multiple people insisting anything, I have no idea. Frankly, it's the textbook example of setting up a strawman and trying to pick a fight with it.

EDIT: Corrected the word "more" to "equally"

 

[MichWolv]

Below, from the "Ball is Gone" thread.







Now everybody can decide for themselves.

Thanks for this. It gets really old when there are so many that pop off without any knowledge whatsoever and when they get called on it, they hide behind semantics like I didn't "insist."

It is hard to wade through the flotsam and jetsam to get to actual information. It's tiring.

Are you kidding? What I stated I said in this thread is exactly the same as what I wrote in the previous thread. I even went back and checked before I corrected the original poster this morning because I wanted to make sure someone else hadn't said something after I had abandoned the first thread.

The original poster claimed there were people insisting the ball was gone forever. I repeat, nobody insisted anything. One person (me) said I was guessing it was being removed over the cost of repairing water effects. Then when asked if routine maintenance was an equally likely reason, I gave my opinion (which was no) - this was, of course, based on the (at least) 15-20 fountains that have been shut off over the years. Nobody insisted anything.

How anybody could read the quoted portion and claim that's multiple people insisting anything, I have no idea. Frankly, it's the textbook example of setting up a strawman and trying to pick a fight with it.

EDIT: Corrected the word "more" to "equally"

I guess (but do not "insist") that I was wrong. You, Mr. Diamond, are apparently not allowed to decide for yourself.

 

[SeaCastle]

I admit that my use of the word "insist" was incorrect. Now that I've gone back and carefully re-read the previous thread, I see that no one was really "insiting", but rather there were a fair amount of posts predicting that Disney is removing it for the sake of removing it, so my apologies.

To be fair, it is very out of character for Disney to go through and refurb such a small effect, tearing up concrete and ripping the whole thing out, only to fix it and re-install it. I'd say that's encouraging.

 

[Victor Kelly]

Looks nicer now. I'll have to take a peek at it in a few years.

 

[Krack]

I'd say that's encouraging.

I agree; well said.

 

[pumpkin7]

ah good, glad it's back. will have to go have a play on our next visit.

 

[blm07]

Once again the cynacism is "justified" by citing past decisions of a management structure that no longer exists.

Here is an example. Some say that an instance of Disney being "cheap" is the new roof on the tea cups which does not reflect the artwork. But consider that it is entirely possible this is an interin step that had to be taken because the old roof was in such poor condition. The annual budget and other considerations may have prohibited them from adding the roof from the concept art from being added immediately. That does not translate to Disney being "cheap". It just means that there are many factors that go into these projects and complex logistics that none of us here are aware of.

The overall track record the last few years reflects anything but "cheap". Consider that the DCA project and now the FLE are occuring without any major cuts in the worst economy in memory. You and others are making claims that are completely baseless.

I don't think I've ever commented on the roof of the teacups ride. But just in case I did, are you going to search my old posts and check on that? My thought on that was "Wow Paris' version looks cool, but it's good they are finally cleaning up ours" I like how I was grouped in with others.

What about using the "Disney Parks" logo for both Disneyland and Disney World? Is it really THAT bad that they had to make the napkins, bags, receipt paper and everything else say "Disney Parks" instead of giving the resorts an individual identity? Maybe they should change the announcement before Wishes to say "Welcome to a Disney Park. The fireworks will start in 10 minutes." that way they can use it in California and Paris as well.

What about the Little Mermaid ride? The finale was drastically cut back. What about Pixar Play Parade? Their solution was to slow it down to make it more fun.

 

[jt04]

I don't think I've ever commented on the roof of the teacups ride. But just in case I did, are you going to search my old posts and check on that? My thought on that was "Wow Paris' version looks cool, but it's good they are finally cleaning up ours" I like how I was grouped in with others.

What about using the "Disney Parks" logo for both Disneyland and Disney World? Is it really THAT bad that they had to make the napkins, bags, receipt paper and everything else say "Disney Parks" instead of giving the resorts an individual identity? Maybe they should change the announcement before Wishes to say "Welcome to a Disney Park. The fireworks will start in 10 minutes." that way they can use it in California and Paris as well.

What about the Little Mermaid ride? The finale was drastically cut back. What about Pixar Play Parade? Their solution was to slow it down to make it more fun.

I clearly stated I was using the roof as an example to make a point. Disney could choose to add every possible scenario that WDI could ever dream up but they would not be in business long if they did. My point is that you don't see an idea like Beastly Kingdom turned into a CMM due to budget cuts anymore. There are no more drastic cuts like happened to DCA or the rapids ride at DAK or the rumored cuts to Star Wars that TDO supposedly wanted to do. It is a different era and claiming Disney does not invest heavily in infrastructure and development is just political spin. Heck, just look at how much they are spending on nextgen and rfid tech. There are people here who use any excuse to bash management and more times than not they are misinformed or deliberately stirring the pot. I just try to be a couter-balance to that.

 

[BigThunderMatt]

Disney could choose to add every possible scenario that WDI could ever dream up but they would not be in business long if they did.

Not necessarily. Disney chooses to only go with the ideas that will have an immediate ROI. Walt himself had said that quality will out and I highly doubt there was a guaranteed ROI on attractions like Pirates, Mansion or Splash (at least the first time around) but they still got built because they knew that the amount of time, effort, and quality built into them would ultimately draw people in because it would be unparalleled to anything they had ever seen.

My point is that you don't see an idea like Beastly Kingdom turned into a CMM due to budget cuts anymore. There are no more drastic cuts like happened to DCA or the rapids ride at DAK or the rumored cuts to Star Wars that TDO supposedly wanted to do.

From what I've heard there was a lot of the FLE that was cut before it even made it to press release. And not only that but Disney had to backpedal and change things halfway through because they suddenly realized that 3 overblown Meet & Greets and 1 new ride was not going to draw in a whole lot.

Heck, just look at how much they are spending on nextgen and rfid tech.

Which most guests don't even notice and half the time don't work because they're not designed around the heavy abuse a guest with no respect for these things causes to them. The money they're spending on investing in these fancy queues or plussing present attractions could be pooled into something better. But they're only doing this because they know that guests already visit the attraction so it's not like they won't still go see it if it isn't updated. That's not taking a risk, that's not even investment. It's nothing more than a "New Look, Same Great Taste" marketing ploy. I've seen it myself that they're using the updated HM and Pirates to upsell tickets.

There are people here who use any excuse to bash management and more times than not they are misinformed or deliberately stirring the pot. I just try to be a couter-balance to that.

And in doing so you and so many other people are giving TDO no other reason than to stick to the status quo.

 

[blm07]

I could go on listing all the cheap things Disney does, but BigThunderMatt did a good job of replying.

So the new Fantasyland is going to be a budget cut ride and a bunch of meet and greets? Blah. I'm not as excited as I was at first, guess I should smile and take it, and then complain afterwards.

It's not like I hate everything Disney does now a days. For Star Tours, I could have said they were cheap to keep much of the queue intact. I even noticed that even though they took out the movie set theme, they left the AT-AT the same, and didn't finish it off. But I thought they did a great job with that attraction, a great mix of old and new elements. I did however notice that some fabric in the back row of the vehicle was dirty - it wasn't changed since the old ones. :lookaroun