Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

britain

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I think the deliberate choice was made to have zero villains on Tangled so that it would more or less fit the “fans of Small World” demographic.
 

andre85

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The effect where Elsa freezes the running water in the fountains is really impressive. I wonder how that was done.

It is impressive, though I found a video that kind of ruins it if you're staring right at it lol. If you really want to know...
From what I could tell, it's just the animated projection changes as the structure its projected on to rotates to reveal the frozen 'overhang' thing which was previously just blocked from view by the structure itself. Simple and pretty effective.
 

ThemeParkTraveller

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Maybe to draw some of the crowd from TDL to TDS given TDL consistently had higher attendance.
But is that needed now anymore with Fantasy Springs being the big draw ?

I believe that was the case and also specifically to address guest criticism that the park lacked Disney characters compared to TDL at that time. I'm all for Duffy expanding his presence into TDL as long as it's in a way that respects the backstory they've created for him.
 

PiratesMansion

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No. Not even slightly.

Regardless, the speculation is moot. Disney wants Tiana and OLC wants it to remain as is. I suspect the “compromise” that will be reached will be Disney footing most of, if not all, of the bill to convert the land into something that fits within the world of PatF.
I imagine that Disney cares more about Splash leaving Tokyo than they do about TBA being the replacement. No reason the ride can't be rethemed to something else at TDL that might make redoing the ride more palatable to OLC and/or the local audience.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Well... if Disney has 'reasons' for erasing SotS, it looks bad for them that TDL still has it. People don't know the deal with OLC and will wonder why Disney didn't retheme TDL's Splash.

So, TWDC has a reason to want OLC to retheme their Splash. So, I'm sure the pressure is on and there is negotiations.

Japan loves Disney IP and OLC keeps choosing Disney IP for their parks. DisneySea was a bit of a departure from that... until Fantasy Springs shoved a bunch of IP into DisneySea. All at OLC's bequest.

I'm sure Disney can offer an IP that OLC would want for a Splash retheme.

OR... OLC execs may visit TBA and their guests may see TBA via social media and decide that that's what they want.

If Tiana isn't that popular with the Japanese.... her being pushed front and center by Disney may change that if she is more closely and obviously branded "Disney."

Did I mention that they love Disney IP?
 

Disone

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I imagine that Disney cares more about Splash leaving Tokyo than they do about TBA being the replacement. No reason the ride can't be rethemed to something else at TDL that might make redoing the ride more palatable to OLC and/or the local audience.
Does it need to be more palatable to OLC and the local audience? Splash pretty darn popular and has been kept in excellent condition.

I don't know if there is a precedent for Disney stepping in and just funding a project that Oriental Land company didn't really want to do. I don't think that has happened and I don't think that will happen.

I believe splash mountain is a great guest satisfier for the Oriental Land company and So long as it remains that, they have no intention of getting rid of it.
 

PiratesMansion

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Does it need to be more palatable to OLC and the local audience? Splash pretty darn popular and has been kept in excellent condition.

I don't know if there is a precedent for Disney stepping in and just funding a project that Oriental Land company didn't really want to do. I don't think that has happened and I don't think that will happen.

I believe splash mountain is a great guest satisfier for the Oriental Land company and So long as it remains that, they have no intention of getting rid of it.
It stands to reason that IF this is happening (and there's nothing more than some rumblings here or there that it will), there's no reason it HAS to be rethemed to PATF.

I am well aware of the typical arrangement between OLC and Disney, the popularity of the existing attraction, and the lack of desire of OLC to do anything with Splash. I could see, however, Disney trying to do something, anything, to try and get OLC to change the ride, if only because they look hypocritical as heck if they made a big show out of changing the ride in the US because of the source material...only for the ride to stay the same in Japan. They may feel that an unprecedented situation calls them to take unprecedented measures.

Or this is all bunk, and the existing arrangment will stand. Who knows? If others can speculate, so can I.
 

TalkToEthan

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No reason the ride(Splash Mnt)can't be rethemed to something else at TDL that might make redoing the ride more palatable to OLC and/or the local audience.


Splash Mountain is batting .344, 106 RBI’s, 42 HR’s in the Nippon Professional Baseball league
and you’re talking about changing its swing?!?!?

If I were general manager I’d fire you as a hitting coach.
 
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PiratesMansion

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Splash Mountain is batting .344, 106 RBI’s, 42 HR’s in the Nippon Professional Baseball league
and you’re talking about changing its swing?!?!?

If I were general manager I’d fire you as a hitting coach.
My lord.

I PERSONALLY would be fine with keeping the TDL ride the same. I am well aware of exactly how popular it is.

I am also aware that Disney has made it its life mission to rid the world of this ride and is probably putting pressure on OLC to do this exact thing.

There is at least one alleged insider (SweetDuffy) who has claimed on this forum that Disney is really, really pressuring OLC to change the ride in some way even though OLC and 99.9% of people visiting Tokyo Disneyland would very much prefer things stay as is.

But by all means go all in on me, some dude who replied to some other dude on an internet forum, while completely ignoring the comments of other people who have also opined on the same subject. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Brer Oswald

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I imagine that Disney cares more about Splash leaving Tokyo than they do about TBA being the replacement. No reason the ride can't be rethemed to something else at TDL that might make redoing the ride more palatable to OLC and/or the local audience.
They care more about comparisons being made. Nobody is raising a fuss about Splash still existing in Tokyo. The fans know it’s because it is under different ownership, and the non fans never cared to begin with.

What they don’t want is “Even after the retheme, Tokyo’s Splash is still the best! Let’s plan a trip there instead”.

On the flip side, if Tokyo gets a different theme, and it ends up a more well executed ride than the stateside rethemes (which would almost be a guarantee), many people over here will attribute the quality to the theme and complain that we didn’t get the same retheme as TDL.
 
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ThemeParkTraveller

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Some interesting insight from Tom Bricker's review of Frozen Journey.


I had the chance to attend a creative roundtable and speak with Imagineer Daniel Jue, the lead creative for Tokyo Disney Resort, about Fantasy Springs. He first explained the decision to make Anna and Elsa’s Frozen Journey a retelling of the movie, which was done because TDR guests respond to attractions that forge an emotional connection; in this case, that’s best done via familiar music from the film. And those songs are best presented in the context of their original story.

This is arguably one of the strengths of the movie retelling attraction genre–many guests bring with them additional context from those films, allowing for key moments in the attraction to function as callbacks to the film, making for easier emotional connections.


In Anna & Elsa’s Frozen Journey, guests board boats that move forwards and backwards–repeatedly–to match the emotion in the music and movie scenes. Jue compared the boat to a camera in a movie, calling the attraction very “cinematic” in presentation. He also said it was calibrated like a Swiss watch, with every story beat precisely timed with the boats.
 

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