Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

[BrianLo]

Since the ticket would only have to be checked when departing fantasy springs would it really be a problem, like you just scan your ticket at the sea gate and you’ll either get waved through or told “sorry this is a Disneyland day for you”

I’m not advocating for a single ticket to allow you to park hop by passing through fantasy springs, just more having fantasy springs as a “neutral zone” that’s functionally in both parks at once

No, they quite specifically don't want crowds from both parks hopping to begin with, historically and currently. It's a long standing operational decision. I understand what you are framing is 'different' than hopping, but it is actually so much worse operationally.

They want to easily control how many guests that are circulating through a given park per day. They don't want mismatched demand, like happens quite frequently in the American parks (one park is slammed and another is empty). A shared land just means 30 million guests a year can access it all the time, as opposed to 15 gated via Disney Sea. It would be a crowded nightmare. As is it's going to have a standby queue for just DisneySea guests, why would Disneyland guests also being allowed in on a given day be a good thing?

You are not thinking about this from an operational lens at all. There is a reason we have "gates" and not just a single blob of a park. IF OLC was positive on park hopping, then sure, a back door entrance would make sense. But still not a shared land for every ticketed guest of either park.

The monorail long term exists for navigational convenience though.

 

[tanc]

Park hopping in TDR would probably bring too many people onto the monorail, which is basically the most convenient way to get to the park.

 

[TalkToEthan]

. They don't want mismatched demand, like happens quite frequently in the American parks (one park is slammed and another is empty).

“frequently”???

How about highly infrequent as in isolated cases.

AK packed and studios empty or vis versa ….no way
Or Mk stuffed to the gills and Epcot a ghost town…..that is wholly unrealistic.

Disneyland slammed and DCA desolate(post 2012)……. I don’t see it.

The scenario you label frequent is most definitely not the case. Overwhelmingly the distribution of guest on properties is more evened out whereby one park could be busy and another park a bit less busy. The extremes just aren’t there.

 

[Markiewong]

You can not compare Disney Sea + Tokyo Disneyland with AK and Studios or MK and Epcot.

The reason why you won't see a jam packed MK and empty Epcot is due to demand and capacity of those parks. AK/HS/EP run on multi-day tickets. If people go one day without hopper they'll most likely only go to the Magic Kingdom.

Tokyo Disney has the rare scenario where both parks are fleshed out as full day parks and have the corresponding capacity and demand as result. Making park hopping easily possible between the two mean that one park can end up with 70k/80k people at the same time.

 

[BrianLo]

“frequently”???

How about highly infrequent as in isolated cases.

AK packed and studios empty or vis versa ….no way
Or Mk stuffed to the gills and Epcot a ghost town…..that is wholly unrealistic.

Disneyland slammed and DCA desolate(post 2012)……. I don’t see it.

The scenario you label frequent is most definitely not the case. Overwhelmingly the distribution of guest on properties is more evened out whereby one park could be busy and another park a bit less busy. The extremes just aren’t there.

Yes, frequently… every single day in fact at WDW.

What does AK look like end of day versus Epcot and MK? I know that’s a structural problem with night entertainment, but park hopping significantly exacerbates it. You go to AK in the morning and then hop to see the night entertainment somewhere else.

With how parade and show driven Tokyo guests are, it would be a major challenge if people were hopping with regularity.

I’m not criticizing WDW, it’s built to handle it for the most part. Epcot in particular, sort of the whole reason World Showcase used to have a deferred opening. It’s built to swell towards end of day.

But Tokyo is not. Just as @Markiewong says above. There’s a reason the entrances to the parks are not across a plaza from one another.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Your scenario above is accurate, mostly. But as a reminder and to be fair about this come near closing time all parks typically experience less guests than earlier times


Here’s what will not happen during core park hours, EVER:
(excluding some terribly unique and isolated explanation)

Flight of Passage with a 120 minute wait
Rise of Resistance with a 10 minute wait

Remy Rat with a 85 minute wait
Space Mnt with a walk on

Radiator Spring Racer with a 95 minute wait
Indiana Jones with a 5 minute wait

Those extremely polarized waits within their respective resorts, again outside of some unique event, are a de facto imposibility.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Osmosis—guest style….It’s the natural flow of things both within a specific park and multi park resorts.

Guests behave like water molecules ………..move from high, concentrated crowding toward lower concentrated areas until the parks in the same resort reach some generalized equilibrium.

 

[SweetDuffy101]

Funderful Disney preview lottery ticket for Fantasy Springs is now live with 16,000 slots to be given to members.
26,000 yen per person up to 2 guest can register.

Entry and exit will be from the Fantasy Springs hotel.

 

[Admiral01]

Some images of the construction status of Fantasy Springs and the new hotel from the monorail and from the Sheraton lounge on Tuesday, March 5.

 

[cjkeating]

Some images of the construction status of Fantasy Springs and the new hotel from the monorail and from the Sheraton lounge on Tuesday, March 5.

I'm really hoping the Fantasy Springs hotel takes the edge off the demand for Miracosta for my trip next year.

 

[Admiral01]

I'm really hoping the Fantasy Springs hotel takes the edge off the demand for Miracosta for my trip next year.

Completely agree. The property needs FSH to be a draw.

 

[DisneyAndUniversalFan]

When is the new land and new rides all supposed to open? What is the scheduled date?

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

When is the new land and new rides all supposed to open? What is the scheduled date?

June 6 is the official grand opening, and I believe it's opening all at once.

 

[bsod]

I haven't read any opinions about the clouds at the mountain.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

I haven't read any opinions about the clouds at the mountain.

They're quite adorable if you ask me.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

@SweetDuffy101

Do you know if there are any plans to re-open Mermaid Lagoon Theater in the future?

 

[SweetDuffy101]

@SweetDuffy101

Do you know if there are any plans to re-open Mermaid Lagoon Theater in the future?

short answer no. but with recent trends on Tokyo Disney stage shows its not going to be surprising if they announce a brand new stage show when the theater finally opens.


We still haven't gotten an audition from Tokyo Disney or Disney parks auditions for the specific show.
I've said this in the past as well The empty theaters of Disney Sea still doesn't have sponsors in it.
If the Mermaid Lagoon does indeed get a brand new sponsor there would be a higher chance that it could re-open sooner.


What information we got last year is that they are hiring a face character for Dr. facilier for an unannounced Tokyo Disneyland autumn show/Parade(Halloween).

 

[J4546]

new vids with great views

 

[McMickeyWorld]

 

[McMickeyWorld]