Tipping Mousekeeping

[Otterhead]

Sorry, I still see no documents that indicate tip housekeeping always. Show me the documents. I need peer reviewed documents not fluff!

There are no "documents" to tell you to be a good person and tip people who rely on it for a living wage. If people need to show you "documents" to explain tipping then you should most definitely stay home.

Yet, I am leaving a tip. Yea right.

So even after knowing how much work they do behind the scenes, and how little they get paid, you refuse to tip housekeeping. I don't need "documents" to tell me that that makes you a bad person.

 

[jaklgreen]

I disagree. I think a lot of people that work in food service are not happy and that reflects upon the service. My only issue with disney is the fake smiles sometimes but I understand, guest services.

While that may be true for some. I have to say that I have been working with the public since I was 15, so almost 29 years. And I can tell you that within the last 7-8 years or so, the way that we have been treated has taken a major turn. No matter how nice and friendly and helpful a worker is, they are still berated, sworn at, yelled at and ignored. I believe most people start out working these jobs with good intentions, and a friendly demeanor. But it beats you down being treated like crap every single day that you get to the point that you just don't give a crap anymore. Go hang out at a counter service restaurant one day and just watch and listen to how the customers treat the employees.

 

[disney4life2008]

There are no "documents" to tell you to be a good person and tip people who rely on it for a living wage. If people need to show you "documents" to explain tipping then you should most definitely stay home.

Nope still not buying it. It is part of their job, sorry.

 

[xdan0920]

Then why should I leave a tip? This is your societal norm, not mines. And you can argue me all you want to

Er, you may be struggling with the definition of societal norms.

 

[disney4life2008]

While that may be true for some. I have to say that I have been working with the public since I was 15, so almost 29 years. And I can tell you that within the last 7-8 years or so, the way that we have been treated has taken a major turn. No matter how nice and friendly and helpful a worker is, they are still berated, sworn at, yelled at and ignored. I believe most people start out working these jobs with good intentions, and a friendly demeanor. But it beats you down being treated like crap every single day that you get to the point that you just don't give a crap anymore. Go hang out at a counter service restaurant one day and just watch and listen to how the customers treat the employees.

Agreed 100 percent.

 

[21stamps]

LOL judge me. I am still waiting to see peer reviewed documentation that it is a societal norm to tip. You or no one else has shown anything. I hope you do not think tipping makes you better than anyone because that is far cry from fire lol

I have posted several articles..
I've known about tipping since I was a child. It's not a generational thing.. young people still have the same society "rules" as prior generations.. plenty of them still follow those guidelines.

You tell me. What is the difference between paying $800 per night at GF vs $120 per night at the values?



I disagree. Housekeeping at super 8 do the same things at all star sports. I have stayed at both numerous times.

Sorry, I still see no documents that indicate tip housekeeping always. Show me the documents. I need peer reviewed documents not fluff!

Chilis gets a tip because you are forced to leave a tip. Its right there on the paper. You can choose to leave 0.00 with a line no one is forcing you.



Ok, yes. This makes sense.



I encourage you to visit any restaurant or mall on a Friday or Saturday. If you think the generation today are tipping you are crazy.



Agreed 100 percent.



I have lol

The only difference between paying $800 at GF vs $120 at a value, is the dollar amount your room is costing you. The service and standard of tipping is the same. Some people tip a little more at 'expensive' hotels.. some don't. That's completely up to the individual.

 

[Otterhead]

Nope still not buying it. It is part of their job, sorry.

Yes, of course it's part of their job to clean your room, provide towels, etc etc etc. That's quite literally "part of their job". But here in America it's considered customary to tip hotel staff for service well done. If you're experiencing little-to-no service, then of course you shouldn't tip. But the vast majority of people tip. If you don't, you're not being smart or better than others. But given that your attitude is "JUDGE ME!!" it sounds like you're used to people being angry at you for refusing to tip and have made it a point of pride, which is... bad.

 

[KrzyKtty]

LOL judge me. I am still waiting to see peer reviewed documentation that it is a societal norm to tip. You or no one else has shown anything. I hope you do not think tipping makes you better than anyone because that is far cry from fire lol

Although if there are any psych majors on this forum, we could have just given a great dissertation lol!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Then why should I leave a tip? This is your societal norm, not mines. And you can argue me all you want to

What do you think "societal norm" means, honestly?

 

[jaklgreen]

LOL how is that any different than any other hotel? I stayed at the model 6 last weekend, went to mcdonalds for breakfast and magically I came back my room was spotless. LOL How is that magic? That is there job? My expectation is when I leave my room better be clean. Regardless of where I stay, as long as housekeeping is there, I expect my room to be cleaned. There is no magic to that. It is their job.

As for disney, if you think that is magic I encourage to join the real world. They are not standing around waiting for anyone. They have x amount of rooms to clean and if you do not leave, they put towels in a bag. This is still not magic. Join the real world Pinocchio

You misunderstand me. I think you should tip housekeeping at any hotel, not just Disney. I think it is especially hard at WDW with the nature of the clients(lots of families). Hey, if you don't want to tip, then don't. But no reason to get nasty because some of us like to share our appreciation with a few extra bucks. Tipping is a way to show appreciation for someone's work. You can tip anyone that you like, the grocery store bagger, the person who makes your lattes, your garbage man. Unfortunately, our country especially, has a screwed up pay scale. We are not payed based on how hard we work but some arbitrary "skill" level. Trust me when I tell you that there are some very smart people who could never cut it in any kind of customer service job. And usually the jobs that most people look down on and would not want to do themselves, get paid the least. I believe that I am the one who live in the "real" world, not you.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Unfortunately, our country especially, has a screwed up pay scale. We are not payed based on how hard we work but some arbitrary "skill" level... And usually the jobs that most people look down on and would not want to do themselves, get paid the least.

I agree with the rest of your post but take exception to this part. Compensation is not arbitrarily defined, it's very clearly defined. People act like employment is a one-way relationship where the employer dictates the terms and the employee can't do anything about it. Employment is a voluntary relationship for both parties. An employee agrees to his or her compensation package when he or she accepts a job, simple as that. We are payed based on the market value of our labor. If I think I'm worth $90,000 a year but nobody is willing to pay me $90,000 a year, then I must be mistaken in what my labor is actually worth, especially if someone else is willing to do the same job equally well for $40,000 a year.

 

[KrzyKtty]

And unless you have a disability of some sort, or something like it, no one is really incapable of doing any job. It all comes down to drive, willingness to learn, dedication, and pride.

I am a Masters Degree holding Project Analyst who is well respected by my peers for my work. I still earn less than half what my high school degree holding husband makes. He is in computers and his skills are highly sought after, mine are not. It is simple as that. People are willing to pay him tons because his knowledge take time to learn and they want to give him incentive to stay. They know he has options. I am not saying that lower paid positions do not work hard. Their skills are either not as in "Demand" or fairly easy to re-train. It is much easier normally to learn how to be a housekeeper or waiter than a computer programmer.

However, I will tip because of etiquette and the simple fact that they are helping me.

 

[jaklgreen]

I agree with the rest of your post but take exception to this part. Compensation is not arbitrarily defined, it's very clearly defined. People act like employment is a one-way relationship where the employer dictates the terms and the employee can't do anything about it. Employment is a voluntary relationship for both parties. An employee agrees to his or her compensation package when he or she accepts a job, simple as that. We are payed based on the market value of our labor. If I think I'm worth $90,000 a year but nobody is willing to pay me $90,000 a year, then I must be mistaken in what my labor is actually worth, especially if someone else is willing to do the same job equally well for $40,000 a year.

I guess that I am not agreeing with what the marked value is for some jobs.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I guess that I am not agreeing with what the marked value is for some jobs.

The market value of labor is the same as the market value of any product or service. It's the intersection of the customer's willingness to buy with the provider's willingness to sell.

ETA: Since @disney4life2008 is liking some of these posts, I'll reiterate... none of this is saying "don't tip."

 

[jaklgreen]

And unless you have a disability of some sort, or something like it, no one is really incapable of doing any job. It all comes down to drive, willingness to learn, dedication, and pride.

I am a Masters Degree holding Project Analyst who is well respected by my peers for my work. I still earn less than half what my high school degree holding husband makes. He is in computers and his skills are highly sought after, mine are not. It is simple as that. People are willing to pay him tons because his knowledge take time to learn and they want to give him incentive to stay. They know he has options. I am not saying that lower paid positions do not work hard. Their skills are either not as in "Demand" or fairly easy to re-train. It is much easier normally to learn how to be a housekeeper or waiter than a computer programmer.

However, I will tip because of etiquette and the simple fact that they are helping me.

Where does your husband work? Mine is a programmer too, and a very good one, but is underpaid.

 

[jaklgreen]

The market value of labor is the same as the market value of any product or service. It's the intersection of the customer's willingness to buy with the provider's willingness to sell.

ETA: Since @disney4life2008 is liking some of these posts, I'll reiterate... none of this is saying "don't tip."

I know how it works, does not mean I have to agree with it. LOL

 

[21stamps]

However, I will tip because of etiquette and the simple fact that they are helping me.

I agree with everything you said.. but I just wanted to highlight this last part.

Basic etiquette is what it boils down to. The same reason why we say "Please" or "Thank you" or send a 'Thank You Card' after receiving a gift..or giving a gift or flowers after someone's death.. sending 'get well' cards..etc etc.

All societal norms. No, they aren't printed on a piece of paper whoever we go.. they shouldn't need to be.

 

[disney4life2008]

There are no "documents" to tell you to be a good person and tip people who rely on it for a living wage. If people need to show you "documents" to explain tipping then you should most definitely stay home.


So even after knowing how much work they do behind the scenes, and how little they get paid, you refuse to tip housekeeping. I don't need "documents" to tell me that that makes you a bad person.

Define a bad person? I think your definition is off.

Er, you may be struggling with the definition of societal norms.

Define it for us?

I have posted several articles..
I've known about tipping since I was a child. It's not a generational thing.. young people still have the same society "rules" as prior generations.. plenty of them still follow those guidelines.



The only difference between paying $800 at GF vs $120 at a value, is the dollar amount your room is costing you. The service and standard of tipping is the same. Some people tip a little more at 'expensive' hotels.. some don't. That's completely up to the individual.

I do agree.

Yes, of course it's part of their job to clean your room, provide towels, etc etc etc. That's quite literally "part of their job". But here in America it's considered customary to tip hotel staff for service well done. If you're experiencing little-to-no service, then of course you shouldn't tip. But the vast majority of people tip. If you don't, you're not being smart or better than others. But given that your attitude is "JUDGE ME!!" it sounds like you're used to people being angry at you for refusing to tip and have made it a point of pride, which is... bad.

Honestly, I never gave it a second thought until this thread. Housekeeping is their job. My expectation is my room will be cleaned.

Although if there are any psych majors on this forum, we could have just given a great dissertation lol!

I bet there are some dissertations around this. I am going to look lol

 

[disney4life2008]

I agree with everything you said.. but I just wanted to highlight this last part.

Basic etiquette is what it boils down to. The same reason why we say "Please" or "Thank you" or send a 'Thank You Card' after receiving a gift..or giving a gift or flowers after someone's death.. sending 'get well' cards..etc etc.

All societal norms. No, they aren't printed on a piece of paper whoever we go.. they shouldn't need to be.

Good points here. However, I still do not apply this logic to housekeeping. I will say good morning, good afternoon, thank you to housekeeping. That is enough, why do I need to leave a tip when I am paying.

 

[KrzyKtty]

ATM in government contracts. He tends to work with Small Businesses more because they get special set asides in contracts that don't require as much competition. They are normally willing to pay really good money for good skill. He is also well experienced in Cloud/VM engineering and programming, which are areas the military is concentrating on right now.