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Tinker Bell behind the scenes

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Just came back from WDW and got to thinking about Tinker Bell's
flight from the castle. Being the behind the scenes junkie that I
am, I wondered if there are any diagrams of the interior of the
castle, how she gets up there, gets rigged, etc.?
A pic from the room at the top would be amazing.
The landing area and how that works?

Anyone know if there's any behind the scenes imagery of this?
 

captain marvel1

New Member
cant find info on that but this is just as insteresting Disney really needs to get it together.


The tragedy of Tinker Bell Pt.1


more information on the troubled Disney release

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Few animated films have had as troubled a history as Disney's Tinker Bell movie. And the worst is still on the way. Part 1 of 2.​

(Source: www.o-meon.com)
(Writer's Note: This story is so huge that I've had to split it into 2 parts. Part #2 will be along shortly)
Last December, I reported that the upcoming Tinker Bell direct-to-DVD movie (tentatively titled Tinker Bell and the Ring of Belief) had been pushed off its original Fall 2007 release date due to serious story troubles. Disney was in fact planning to shift the flick to late 2008 or early 2009 date, a move that might cost the Mouse House $500 million. That looked bad enough, but apparently the worst was under the surface.
Further reports now indicate that Tinker Bell was caught in a mammoth turf war between Disney Toon Studios head Sharon Morrill and Walt Disney Feature Animation guru John Lasseter.
So how did this start? Let's return to the bad old days of the Michael Eisner administration. Eisner was about making big bucks, and he had real issues with animators who suffered from diseases like 'Artistic Integrity.'
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“Years ago, Michael Eisner told Sharon (Morrill) and feature animation that he no longer wanted to be beholden to animators," claimed an anonymous source to O-Meon. "So he told them from then on all ‘creative decisions’ would be made by (Eisner's) managers and executives.”
This led to the formation of Disney Toon Studios, an outfit that produced many of the notorious direct-to-DVD sequels of classic Disney animated films. Basically, Disney Toon Studios' mandate is “to provide feature length commercials for toys.” Although commercially successful, these "Dreck to Video" sequels were highly unpopular with animators and fans, and ultimately tarnished the Disney Animation name.
Initially, Tinker Bell was supposed to be a traditional 2-D animated movie and animators had worked up several developmental reels. However in 2005, then-WFDA head David Stainton and Morrill decided that cel animation was dead and that Tinker Bell would become a CGI flick. This was over the objections of senior animators, who didn't think the film and character would look as good in CGI.
However, Morrill was so devoted to making a CGI Tinker Bell that she burned through several directors and scripts before writing, directing and editing the movie herself, eventually bringing in Bradley Raymond as director. Her concept: Peter Pan, Tinker Bell and the other Lost Boys had to return the gift of joy and imagination, to save the fairies from extinction and to keep children everywhere from becoming dull automatons.
In a widely disseminated announcement, Morrill hired actress Brittany Murphy (Sin City) to be the voice of Tinker Bell in this, and subsequent, movies.
Meanwhile, all hell was breaking loose in Disney's head office. A revolt by executives Roy E. Disney and Stanley Gold resulted in Michael Eisner stepping down as CEO in September of 2005, one year before his contract was due to expire. Robert Iger replaced Eisner, and immediately set about undoing the damage. Enter John Lasseter.
When Disney bought Pixar in April of 2006, the former Disney animator and Pixar guru replaced Stainton as head of WDFA. Lasseter was told to restore WDFA's ruined reputation and he went about doing so with a vengeance. One of his first decisions was to stop production on any direct-to-DVD animated feature that wasn't directly associated with Disney Consumer Products.
This meant that Lasseter had no say over Tinker Bell, but he did have a responsibility to keep the integrity of Disney's classic animated characters, like the character of Peter Pan and all the others in Neverland. And Lasseter was very unhappy with what he saw of Tinker Bell.
By this time, Morrill realized that she was in over her head, and she went to Lasseter for help. Initial screenings of Tinker Bell had not gone over well with audiences and, considering this flick was to introduce the entire Disney Fairies line of merchandise, a lot was riding on it.
Unfortunately, by this point Tinker Bell had already gone to India where the animation was being done.
Lasseter attended an early screening of Tinker Bell with Disney Features chairman ________ Cook and Iger. Both Cook and Iger felt the movie was 80% there, but Lasseter disagreed, saying the film was a mess. He gave copious notes on what was wrong with the flick and offered assistance from both WDFA and Pixar to make it right.
Several observers agreed with Lasseter's interpretation.
“Neverland disappeared, Peter and the Lost Boys were enslaved in the boiler room of a real-world barge, and children all over London lost joy and imagination," claimed one insider to O-Meon. "I would expect young children to run screaming from the theater! Of course everyone and everything is restored in the end—this is Disney, after all.”
“If anything, it’s way too complex for younger kids,” said someone else who saw the film. “They had books of rules for everything: rules for Neverland, rules for the Fairies, rules for the kids, rules for London. The whole thing was so complex, they (the animators) couldn’t keep track of it. I don’t know how they expected kids to.
“I won't even begin to get into the fairy fart jokes or the strong lesbian tones of the original story.”
Nevertheless, Disney Toon executives argued that if Lasseter's changes were implemented, that there was no way that Tinker Bell could make its Fall 2007 release date.
Iger and Cook, after seeing that director Raymond and the other animators were siding with Lasseter, changed their minds and backed Lasseter's play. Lasseter then told Sharon Morrill that he didn't want Peter Pan, the other Lost Boys or London in Tinker Bell, saying that it would invite unfortunate comparisons to the 1953 classic Peter Pan. He also disliked the story, saying, "Fairies don't bring imagination."
However, Morrill, after going to Lasseter for assistance, didn't like what he had to say. Not only did she continue with her original vision, but she ordered animators to work on another edition of Tinker Bell. This version was to be screened for Lasseter, to give him the illusion that she was taking his ideas seriously, while she buffed up her take on the film.
“For quite some time, when John (Lasseter) would return to check on our progress,” claimed a Disney Toon Studios’ artist, “he’d be shown one version of the film—his version. At the same time we also had Sharon’s version in the works.”
Ironically, this caused even more delays with Tinker Bell. Working on what is essentially two films was, according to a Disney Toons insider, “wearing everyone (the animators) out and keeping the thing from being done.”​




The tragedy of Tinker Bell Pt.2


behind the scenes of the troubled movie


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In Part #2 in this series, we discover what happened to Disney's upcoming animated flick, Tinker Bell.​

(Source: www.o-meon.com)
(Writer's Note: click here to read Part #1 in this series)
Now, as I mentioned in the previous story, this Tinker Bell movie was the first flick in a planned tetralogy (that's a four-movie cycle in case I'm losing ya). While Disney Toon Studios head Sharon Morrill was playing hide-the-movie with John Lasseter, Disney animators were putting together the three sequels to the original. Those sequels used script concepts from Morrill's Tinker Bell film, the one Lasseter wasn't allowed to see.
The same week that Walt Disney Feature Animation announced a series of lay-offs, and Chris Williams took over as director of American Dog, John Lasseter attended a screening of a rough cut of this trilogy. It did not go well.
“John Lasseter came out so angry, many feared he would use his influence to shut down Disney Toon Studios,” a source close to Disney studio operations told O-Meon.
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There are multiple explanations for why Lasseter exploded. One reason is that he realized Morrill had attempted an end-run around his authority with the first Tinker Bell movie. She had essentially created two Tinker Bell films: one which ignored Lasseter's script suggestions, and another to delude the WDFA head that she was listening to his advice.
When Lasseter was given Walt Disney Feature Animation in April of 2006, he was told to protect the integrity of Disney's classic characters. Tinker Bell has been one of the most important, ever since her debut in 1953's Peter Pan. Her image had introduced many Disney movies, and countless episodes of Disneyland and The Wonderful World of Disney TV shows. Millions of Disneyland visitors have watched Tinker Bell fly over Cinderella's Castle during the nightly fireworks display. Many consider her almost as important to Disney as Mickey Mouse.
It's part of Lasseter's job to make sure that Tinker Bell's image is not sullied and, in his opinion, Sharon Morrill's actions threatened that.
Morrill, for her part, was a hold-over from the Michael Eisner administration. She was working closely with Disney Consumer Products to make a movie that would promote the Disney Fairies line of merchandise. Billions of dollars' worth of potential revenue was riding on this movie to do well. Tinker Bell was her baby, and she didn't want Lasseter's interference, even though she had gone to him for help in the first place.
Not only that, Morrill was even overruling Tinker Bell director Bradley Raymond, mainly because Raymond agreed with Lasseter.
There was more. Lasseter even hated the trilogy's concept: Tinker Bell's best friend discovers that boy fairies live in another part of Neverland. That sets the stage for a Romeo and Juliet story, where two lovers are caught in a war between the boy and girl fairies. The first movie ends with the Romeo fairy sacrificing himself to save his love, and the Juliet fairy going with Tinker Bell to see a performance by an all-girl fairy group informally called "The Pixie Chicks."
In the second and third movies, Tinker Bell discovers that the Romeo fairy isn't actually dead, and the trilogy ends happily ever after. Think it sucks? So did John Lasseter.
The next day, both Raymond and Morrill had to come in and pitch their script ideas to a now-furious WDFA head. Not surprisingly, Lasseter loved Raymond's pitch. However, Raymond admitted that meant the animators would have to scrap 90% of the current film, which meant changing the Fall 2007 release date.
That's when Morrill said, “Okay, now here’s what we can really do.” Her pitch retained Peter Pan, the Lost Boys and London as a setting; all the things Lasseter objected to in the original script.
Lasseter told Morrill he "would not support a (Tinker Bell) movie with Peter Pan in it.”
That's when a major power struggle developed within Disney. On one side was Morrill, Buena Vista Home Entertainment and Disney Consumer Products, all of whom were supporting an admittedly flawed Tinker Bell. Despite the problems with the movie, they thought it should come out in the Fall of 2007 to support the massive marketing associated with Disney Fairies.
Many considered Morrill's stance to be a fatal error.
“I was surprised,” said a former associate of Morrill’s. “That’s not what the Sharon I knew would do. She’s very smart and got to where she is today by siding with the most successful people at the company. To me, that meant joining Lasseter in pressing (Disney Features chairman ________ Cook) and (Disney CEO Robert Iger) for more time to make the movie.”
On the other side stood Lasseter, WDFA and Tinker Bell director Raymond. They felt that 16 years of sub-standard product had ruined Disney's reputation and they didn't want to release what they considered to be a lousy movie.
Robert Iger and ________ Cook agreed with Lasseter. Tinker Bell had tested badly with audiences and it needed serious revision before it could be released. Timing was also on Lasseter's side: his Pixar movie Cars was making millions at the box office and even more in merchandising. So they called for Tinker Bell to get pushed back to a later date, and supported Lasseter and Raymond's script changes.
If Iger and Cook hadn't agreed with Lasseter, many feel Lasseter would have petitioned to have Disney Toon Studios shut down and Tinker Bell killed. Ironically, by losing to Lasseter and Raymond, Morrill may have saved her job.
Tinker Bell still has major problems. While Lasseter and Morrill were battling for control, the animation studio in India completed most of the animation. They will have to be paid for the work they've done, and retained in order to make the revised movie. That will drive Tinker Bell's costs into the stratosphere.
Some have estimated that Tinker Bell may end up costing Disney somewhere around $90 to $120 million, around what Cars cost to produce. That's also three to four times the original budget for the film.
Most animation insiders (and bloggers) believe that John Lasseter's interference with Tinker Bell is the best thing that could've happened to this flick. They're hoping that Lasseter is seriously willing and able to stop Disney from releasing movies that are nothing more than 90-minute toy advertisements.
Whether or not he's able to do so remains to be seen. But, based on his recent actions with Tinker Bell, Meet the Robinsons and WALL-E, John Lasseter appears to be Disney's best chance to return to its former glory as North America's premier animation studio.​
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
Someone once posted a set of photos of the room that she launches from and photos from the windows; I believe it was 10-12 photos.
 

Andrew54

Active Member
wow from those pictures I was a little surprised at what a hollow shell most of the castle really is. Also stinks to see all the writing on the inside of the walls.
 

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