Timekeeper Oficially Gone Monsters Inc is Coming....

ScrapIron

Member
Goofybynature said:
I think Tomorowland speedway was the 1950's idea of low fuel emition cars that could be run on electricity.

It's going to take me a while to sort out how this would lead to an attraction based on gasoline powered cars in 1971.

And those that are talking about original attractions, that is a truly amusing idea since so many early Disney films were based on public domain fairy tales that had been around for generations.

Disneyland was built by a film maker as another way to tell the stories in his films, and even the original TL attractions often tied in with episodes made for the Disney TV show on ABC.

Cheers.
 

Captain Chaos

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ScrapIron said:
It's going to take me a while to sort out how this would lead to an attraction based on gasoline powered cars in 1971.

And those that are talking about original attractions, that is a truly amusing idea since so many early Disney films were based on public domain fairy tales that had been around for generations.

Disneyland was built by a film maker as another way to tell the stories in his films, and even the original TL attractions often tied in with episodes made for the Disney TV show on ABC.

Cheers.

:sohappy:

Movie tie-ins do not bother me as long as they are done well.. and I say, bring on the Pixar attractions.. At least their movies have a good story and a great basis for an attraction..
 

Maryssa*

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Just my opinion on this matter: but I feel like they are replacing a lot of the attractions with more recognizable characters because thats what kids nowadays recognize.

The original attractions were all based on the old shows and ideas of back in the day, and kids today just do not know/appreciate those things since they were far before their time. Of course to us we can appreciate the old rides as "classics" but to be perfectly blunt that just wont cut it with the target audiences of today.

Tourism in general seemed to have taken a big hit ever since 9/11, and they really need to do what they can to keep guests coming back and satisfied to keep funds up to run the place. I just feel like kids today would be bored out of their minds with the old tomorrowland stuff and wouldnt understand Walt's visions of the future, etc.

I work at a children's entertainment company, and my general impression is that kids have changed a lot in the recent years; I feel like they like the characters they know more than learning about things like innovations in technology, etc. The old rides, while classic, are just becoming extremely dated.

I do agree it is very sad that they have to sneak characters into a lot of the attractions nowadays. But I'm afraid it's just something that needs to be done to keep the resort fresh and inviting for todays kids.

I'm really sad Timekeeper is gone though... I thought that was such a great show and didnt feel it was too far above kids' heads or anything =/ I always despised Alien Encounter... I remember when it first came out waiting almost 2 hours to get in and being extremely disappointed to just be sitting in the dark getting spit/breathed on by this random alien thing. I'm still confused why they bothered changing the name of Countdown to Extinction to Dinosaur, since it has absolutely zero to do with that movie, but again I assume it's so kids will have something recognizable to see. And at least if I want to see the old Tiki Room I can just go to Disneyland =D
 

Epcot82Guy

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I think what the debate centers on is what you enjoy/enjoyed as WDW. To be highly general, many people go to WDW for the Disney; others go for the parks themselves. Even as a kid, I was never a huge fan of the Disney movies. They were good, better than most animated films. But, they just never appealed to me and always had a "kid" focus.

Disney World, on the other hand, offered something completely different. It felt like an entirely created picture story book. The stories weren't written; hadn't been written. They were presented with great detail, but great subtlty. Whether most people realized it or not, if they let themselves be kids, your imagination starts running. What is the backstory to these pirates? Who are these ghosts? What does this family do when they aren't talking on their videophone to their desert-dwelling daughter? What other figments of Dreamfinder's imagination are around? The details were placed so you could do this. There wasn't a set plot; that was up to YOU as a guest. The one exception: Fantasyland. I never liked it as a kid. I still don't really like it today. When the story has already been told to you, it kinda kills the fun for me. It was like standing in a city where you knew what it was about, its element, and trying to figure out its history by interacting with people, architecture, etc. The major premise was really easy to decipher. Everything fit. However, you had to figure out the details of their relationship. That made me really appreciate it and, much more importantly, want to come back. Same held true (if not more so) for Epcot. Go see the future, a pretty attractive proposition to this 7 year old.

Now, is this the absolute way it should be? Not at all. There are many guests, especially with young children, that expect to go to Disney just for them. The kids want the characters, so give 'em to 'em. We'll deal with it and maybe enjoy them having a good time. They WANT that. If Jack Sparrow isn't in pirates, the kids don't understand, so put him in! I can't claim to understand this sentiment just because I don't have it. But, Disney certainly cannot be blamed for going this route.

However, I also think there is a line of calling people who don't like this trend whiners. While I can respect the enjoyment of this, it looks and feels like a disease to me. For me, and perhaps others that seem to share similar sentiments, it is taking the part of WDW that you dealt with "for the kids only" and expanding it exponentially at the sacrifice of the things we enjoyed. It is sacrificing this overlay of a city of tomorrow that never was. Do the attractions need to be replaced, yes. I will certainly not say Timekeeper had not lived its run. But, that is not the issue. It's what is going in there, only.

And, Walt's Disneyland was absolutely a giant commercial. However, the things he chose were not necessarily his major creations. Many were chosen because they fit the theme he was going for. Then, with the theme set, it was time spent creating major attractions that were great as attractions. Not themes and characters that could be turned into attractions. So, I guess I see the attempt, but in actuality I think it goes toward NOT putting something like Monsters in. After all, Walt was the one who made sure leather straps were on the Stagecoach because the guests would feel and know the difference of authenticity and fit, even if they didn't realize it.

Bottom Line: There are many that love the Disney of it. They want to see the Disney brand everywhere. That's the magic. However, there are others who found the subtlety of Disney World as what represented the Disney brand moreso than anything. Having a believable "make believe" land that you could pretend is real (even though you really knew better). The blatant marketing and inclusion of characters is against that Disney as seen in WDW.
 
The way that I'm seeing these arguements shape out is that in my opinion there are two groups of Disney Lovers - ones who love the magic kingdom for there characters rather then attractions and ones who love attractions more then the characters. I for one loved the MK for its 'original' attractions, rides like AE, Timekeeper, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Moutain etc... these were not attractions that starred well known Disney characters but you became involved in a story with these characters or events that took you into a different world (the best way I could describe it) and you almost make up your own disney stories. I for one don't mind one or two movie rides coming into magic kingdom but they have to be original and tasteful - stich isn't and from what I've heard monsters isn't either. I don't think anyone will not go to disney over a few rides being changed but these new brand of rides is polluting the classic naustalgia Disneyworld that made it the massive hit it is today with young and old. maybe the marketing team are planning to make the magic kingdom a kid only place which will dissatisfy me but there is nothing any of us could do if we wanted to change it. I think that Disney are hell bent into stuffing in as many movie rides into disney in a bid to get kids to buy their movies.....

I beleive changing timekeeping into mosters inc is a big step in that direction.

Hopefully the imagineers can revolt or sumthing :lol:

Rant over:wave:
 

Captain Chaos

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I love the MK for the fantasy, whether the attractions are original or have movie-tie ins... I love PhilharMagic (character based) but I also love POTC and HM (original)...
 

Captain Chaos

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Goofybynature said:
Not for long from what I've heard :dazzle:

Pirates will be the same... just adding Jack Sparrow and Barbosa.. But HM is not getting Jim Evers... NO!!!!! I would protest and get great numbers to protest that... :mad:
 
dxer07002 said:
Pirates will be the same... just adding Jack Sparrow and Barbosa.. But HM is not getting Jim Evers... NO!!!!! I would protest and get great numbers to protest that... :mad:

Somehow I don't think protesting will change any ideas Micheal Eisner and his cronies have in place
 

Captain Chaos

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wannab@dis said:
Didn't you get the memo? Anything and everything that happens for the next decade that people don't like will be the direct result of the evil Eisner reign. :wave:

Must have missed that one. Darn it, cause nothing makes me feel as good as bashing an egotistical maniac who no longer presides over a company he nearly destroyed during the last 10 years.... But, this makes one wonder... What decisions that are going on in the company NOW did he have influence over before he left?? Hmmmm :drevil:
 

Damien666

New Member
*Falls out of chair* Well, I'm pretty much dissapointed with WDI now on this. I don't know how some people think that WDI can make Monsters Inc fit in with Tomorrowland. It just doesn't fit, not at all. I'm pretty much dissapointed with what's been comming out in Tomorrowland for the matter. SGE is a total disaster IMHO. Since I haven't been on Turtle Talk with Crush I don't really know how MI will do. I will give it a chance with what going on with the attraction but so far it's not flying well with me when it comes to fitting in with it's surroundings!
 

seabee1

Member
Goofybynature said:
Not for long from what I've heard :dazzle:

Say it isn't so.... I hope they don't do anything to HM!! That is one of our favorites. DD's since she was 4. I don't think this ride needs any help from any movie, it attracts the masses all on its own. Hear my plea, don't even begin to think of a change on this one!!! PLEASE!:(
 

wannab@dis

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seabee1 said:
Say it isn't so.... I hope they don't do anything to HM!! That is one of our favorites. DD's since she was 4. I don't think this ride needs any help from any movie, it attracts the masses all on its own. Hear my plea, don't even begin to think of a change on this one!!! PLEASE!:(
Don't get so tore up... think about it. You're getting worried about something that one poster said and that same poster thinks Eisner is still in charge. :rolleyes:

Probably not the best source in town. :lol:
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
wannab@dis said:
Don't get so tore up... think about it. You're getting worried about something that one poster said and that same poster thinks Eisner is still in charge. :rolleyes:

Probably not the best source in town. :lol:

I don't know. I think it may be Eisner in disguise. :lookaroun
 

seabee1

Member
wannab@dis said:
Don't get so tore up... think about it. You're getting worried about something that one poster said and that same poster thinks Eisner is still in charge. :rolleyes:

Probably not the best source in town. :lol:

I wasn't getting tore up, just getting in the discussion and stating we liked the ride. Thought I would put in my 2 cents just incase there is some little devil whispering into the Big Cheese's ear some crazy idea. All in fun, all in fun.:animwink:
 

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