News Tickets with Pre Selected Fast Passes

[Andrew C]

But Disney is not telling the guests they have options

Yes, they do...all over the website, their planning videos, at the resorts, and also if you purchase tickets while you are there.

 

[MisterPenguin]

But Disney is not telling the guests they have options.

Yes. They. Are.

There's plenty to rage about. Save it for things that exist.

 

[VaderTron]

You also have to dig through their website to get to their weapons policy.

By your logic that means there should be no repercussions for bringing a fencing saber into the park because it requires me to read a little bit.

I see you are used to comparing apples to oranges. It is not even close to the same thing.

Disney openly advertises their weapons policy on the tram ride, at the bag check, and at the metal detector. They say multiple times on your tram ride that you will have to go back to your car if you try to bring in any weapon or even something that looks like a weapon.

There is no attempt to educate the guest about a free perk. Plain and simple. Nothing you have said proves that to be untrue.

 

[MrPromey]

Here is a clear example of how "Disney World" is dead and Disney World Inc. has taken it's place. Disney ingratiated himself to his guests and wanted all to have the best experience, whether their first visit or their 20th. If the Disney World of today was following Disney's ideals they would educate all guests in their fastpass system and encourage them to use it. One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them. You also have to dig in their website to find out guests can bring in food and drinks for free. Disney World Inc. just wants you to assume you can't bring it in and buy their food and drink. Similarly, Disney World Inc. hopes you think you have to pay for Fastpass+ and waste your free offering. Do you know how many people in the park do not know they get Fastpass+ for free? While it's less than in the past, it's still a large number. So, no. I don't believe your statement is fair. It's very self-centered in that you don't care that the less educated in the Disney World Inc. ways get their money taken from them for a lower quality experience than you enjoy. But, then again, does that bother you since it doesn't affect you?

So by this argument is "Disney Inc." better or worse today now that they are offering these packages than they were last week when they weren't? Based on what you're saying here, they are evil because they don't have people out front with bullhorns yelling about fastpass - how it's free and how to use it - as people arrive at the parks each day.

Thing is, they've never done that - not at any point with FP+ or with paper fastpasses.

So for the "rubes" how is this any worse than before? To me if anything, this would encourage people to pay more attention to this stuff.

What happens if they plan another trip and remember about that fastpass thing that time and decide to get them in advance?

Wouldn't Dr. Doofenshmirtz's evil plan to get all of these people away from e-tickets potentially come crumbling down with any future visits?

Or are you arguing that "Disney Inc." is evil, greedy, and stupid?

 

[LAKid53]

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

Seriously? You're now comparing Disney to a pack of wolves hunting for food. *shakes head*

 

[VaderTron]

Yes. They. Are.

There's plenty to rage about. Save it for things that exist.

Show me where Disney is advertising their fastpass system and educating guest about how to use it, letting them know it's free, and telling them what rides have long wait times so they can select fastpasses for the rides they don't want to stand in line for. You can't, because they don't say any of that. How do I know? I read what they posted:


How It Works
With this ticket, 3 FastPass+ experiences are selected for you to use the next day—and will be conveniently linked to your ticket.
Please keep in mind that the selections are only valid for the itinerary date and arrival windows specified.
If you’d like to use your ticket on another day and choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences, see the specified usage dates in the Important 1-Day Ticket Details during checkout. You can also purchase a 1-Day Ticket or other Walt Disney World theme park tickets that do not have the 3 FastPass+ experiences selected and linked to the ticket for you—allowing you to select and reserve FastPass+ experiences for yourself.
Note: FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences, the number of selections you can make and available arrival windows are limited. Valid theme park admission and online registration required.



Notice that the only reference to choosing your own 3 FastPass+ experiences is tied to changing your ticket to another day. It's doesn't say "If you’d like to use your ticket on another day OR choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences..." It says, "If you’d like to use your ticket on another day AND choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences..." It's a waste of company time with no profit margin. Very subtle. Very sneaky. Very corporate. They know what they are doing.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Show me where Disney is advertising their fastpass system and educating guest about how to use it,

Been mentioned and screen capped for you above. If you have MDE, you inundated with reminders for FP.

If you buy a ticket the day before and don't have MDE and don't know anything about FP, the offer to choose one of the packages -- or not -- is the wake-up call it exists.

 

[MrPromey]

I see you are used to comparing apples to oranges. It is not even close to the same thing.

Disney openly advertises their weapons policy on the tram ride, at the bag check, and at the metal detector. They say multiple times on your tram ride that you will have to go back to your car if you try to bring in any weapon or even something that looks like a weapon.

There is no attempt to educate the guest about a free perk. Plain and simple. Nothing you have said proves that to be untrue.

Of course, they tell you on the tram ride. Of course, they tell you at the bag check - they'd rather you turn around before they find something you're not supposed to have in your bag. It's better for everyone involved when that happens.

Not telling you can result in a guest who tries to bring a weapon they are not licensed to carry into the park and getting arrested as happened here.

Disney would have preferred for this girl to have left the gun in her car and not have made national headlines with this news and I'm pretty sure she would have preferred it, too, even though she didn't listen.

It's also better for everyone when a family doesn't get turned back because their kid has a toy gun.

It's interesting that you bring up the apples and oranges argument and yet don't clearly see the distinction between a freakout at the front gates to a park over a major security concern for Disney along with all park guests and a person not getting optimal fastpass selection.

I say this as a person who isn't on a "side" in this argument. I have no agenda. I'm not a "pixie-duster" or whatever the people who refuse to acknowledge legitimate problems at the parks are called. You can see me talking about fastpass all over this forum and I complain about it plenty but if you can't see how skewed of a viewpoint you appear to be painting, I don't think there is any discussion for anyone here to have with you.

 

[disneyflush]

Here is a clear example of how "Disney World" is dead and Disney World Inc. has taken it's place. Disney ingratiated himself to his guests and wanted all to have the best experience, whether their first visit or their 20th. If the Disney World of today was following Disney's ideals they would educate all guests in their fastpass system and encourage them to use it. One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them. You also have to dig in their website to find out guests can bring in food and drinks for free. Disney World Inc. just wants you to assume you can't bring it in and buy their food and drink. Similarly, Disney World Inc. hopes you think you have to pay for Fastpass+ and waste your free offering. Do you know how many people in the park do not know they get Fastpass+ for free? While it's less than in the past, it's still a large number. So, no. I don't believe your statement is fair. It's very self-centered in that you don't care that the less educated in the Disney World Inc. ways get their money taken from them for a lower quality experience than you enjoy. But, then again, does that bother you since it doesn't affect you?

I understand wanting to believe that Walt would be able to fix all that ails his beloved park. Its comforting to think that what once was could be again if only the right people took it back over. But its become the Field of Dreams scenario as the kids that we once were now have money to go back.

"They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it. For it is money they have and peace they lack."

 

[LAKid53]

I see you are used to comparing apples to oranges. It is not even close to the same thing.

Disney openly advertises their weapons policy on the tram ride, at the bag check, and at the metal detector. They say multiple times on your tram ride that you will have to go back to your car if you try to bring in any weapon or even something that looks like a weapon.

There is no attempt to educate the guest about a free perk. Plain and simple. Nothing you have said proves that to be untrue.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Disney does, through planning videos, emails, their website, tell you. I've watched them. On YouTube. And there are hundreds of vlogs on YouTube. My god, some have made it their profession to be Disney vloggers.

Forums like this one (and other sites and blogs) have a wealth of information.

Just stop, please. Your arguments have little basis in fact, as others have repeatedly pointed out.

 

[Andrew C]

Show me where Disney is advertising their fastpass system and educating guest about how to use it, letting them know it's free, and telling them what rides have long wait times so they can select fastpasses for the rides they don't want to stand in line for. You can't, because they don't say any of that. How do I know? I read what they posted:


How It Works
With this ticket, 3 FastPass+ experiences are selected for you to use the next day—and will be conveniently linked to your ticket.
Please keep in mind that the selections are only valid for the itinerary date and arrival windows specified.
If you’d like to use your ticket on another day and choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences, see the specified usage dates in the Important 1-Day Ticket Details during checkout. You can also purchase a 1-Day Ticket or other Walt Disney World theme park tickets that do not have the 3 FastPass+ experiences selected and linked to the ticket for you—allowing you to select and reserve FastPass+ experiences for yourself.
Note: FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences, the number of selections you can make and available arrival windows are limited. Valid theme park admission and online registration required.



Notice that the only reference to choosing your own 3 FastPass+ experiences is tied to changing your ticket to another day. It's doesn't say "If you’d like to use your ticket on another day OR choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences..." It says, "If you’d like to use your ticket on another day AND choose your own 3 FastPass+ experiences..." It's a waste of company time with no profit margin. Very subtle. Very sneaky. Very corporate. They know what they are doing.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/fastpass-plus/

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/help/fast-pass-plus/

I set the video to the appropriate section for your convenience.

 

[MrPromey]

Show me where Disney is advertising their fastpass system and educating guest about how to use it, letting them know it's free, and telling them what rides have long wait times so they can select fastpasses for the rides they don't want to stand in line for. You can't, because they don't say any of that....

Well this is from 2016 but I'm pretty sure something along these lines is still in every park guide (it's been a while since I've paid attention):

See that thing in the bottom right? Mind you, they don't give you a complete breakdown on how to strategically work the system but I'd hardly say they're trying to hide anything, here. Would you?

... BTW, that two-panel spread you see on the right would be the first thing you see when you open the guide initially, even before seeing the map on the reverse side of the brochure so it isn't like this is hidden on the last page of the guide or anything.

 

[VaderTron]

Not to mention that, at least if you book a package, you actually get reminder e-mails letting you know when you have availability to make your FastPass+ reservations and encouraging you to do so.

You are not paying attention to who this impacts. This is next day guests, not people planning ahead. If Disney was really trying to help these people they would be offering them good rides. They are not. Unfortunately, the guests don't know they are being given the leftover scraps instead of being treated like a valued guest.

 

[MrPromey]

You are not paying attention to who this impacts. This is next day guests, not people planning ahead. If Disney was really trying to help these people they would be offering them good rides. They are not. Unfortunately, the guests don't know they are being given the leftover scraps instead of being treated like a valued guest.

"Leftover scraps" is the only thing they can be sure will consistently be available for fastpass, the day before a visit. The only other way to do it would be to overcrowd fastpass for better attractions more than they already do or take availability away from people planning in advance (or even people online the day before, themselves, trying to find stuff).

That's the only way to make pre-determined packages that can actually be advertised. Otherwise, it would be just be a pot-luck of what happened to be available that day...

I mean, I guess they could make a game of it it - "Spin the wheel to find out what random fastpass combination you get!" and improve the selection that way but it feels like it would just complicate things a lot more.

I really hope you're just trolling all of us and we're not catching on because if not...

 

[Tom P.]

You are not paying attention to who this impacts. This is next day guests, not people planning ahead. If Disney was really trying to help these people they would be offering them good rides. They are not. Unfortunately, the guests don't know they are being given the leftover scraps instead of being treated like a valued guest.

Funny, I happen to think that It's A Small World, Space Ranger Spin, Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, et. al. are actually pretty darn good rides. In fact, most of the things on this list are things that my family and I always want to do. It is hardly "leftover scraps" because roughly 3 rides that you consider to be the "good stuff" are left off.

Now, if you're just talking about "rides that typically have the longest wait time," then sure. But, let's be honest. With or without this new addition, if you want to have a short wait for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, you're not going to get it buying your ticket the day before. But just because you don't ride Mine Train doesn't mean you can't have a good day at the park or that you're not being treated as a valued guest. I know it may come as a shock, but I've spent many days in the Magic Kingdom without riding Space Mountain or Mine Train and have always enjoyed myself.

 

[larryz]

Now, if you're just talking about "rides that typically have the longest wait time," then sure. But, let's be honest. With or without this new addition, if you want to have a short wait for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, you're not going to get it buying your ticket the day before.

I have a feeling those are coming. The "Extra Magic One Day Ticket" where, for an additional $50 ($175, tax not included), you get FP+ for SDMT and two more attractions of your choosing...

 

[MisterPenguin]

You are not paying attention to who this impacts. This is next day guests, not people planning ahead. If Disney was really trying to help these people they would be offering them good rides. They are not. Unfortunately, the guests don't know they are being given the leftover scraps instead of being treated like a valued guest.

Disney can't help people who don't plan ahead if they don't plan ahead. They can't go door do door throughout the world and ask if they're planning a WDW vacation and if they know how FP works.

People buying tickets the day before haven't planned ahead. There's nothing Disney can do about that.

If these non-planners know about the rides of WDW and fastpasses, they can say 'no' to one of the FP packages being offered (and not forced on them) if they think they can do better.

If these non-planners know nothing about FPs, this is where a ticket agent can explain it to them so as to get an answer from them whether or not they want one of the packages. If this wasn't being offered, then these people would be entering the park with no FPs and no idea how to use them.

 

[HauntedPirate]

@flynnibus nailed it, IMHO. This is simply a flier, a first step by Disney to be able to upcharge for automatic FP+ selections in the near future, say... mid-to-late 2019. In the eyes of TDO, SWL is a license to print money, and I think that's exactly what they intend to do.

 

[LAKid53]

Funny, I happen to think that It's A Small World, Space Ranger Spin, Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, et. al. are actually pretty darn good rides. In fact, most of the things on this list are things that my family and I always want to do. It is hardly "leftover scraps" because roughly 3 rides that you consider to be the "good stuff" are left off.

Now, if you're just talking about "rides that typically have the longest wait time," then sure. But, let's be honest. With or without this new addition, if you want to have a short wait for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, you're not going to get it buying your ticket the day before. But just because you don't ride Mine Train doesn't mean you can't have a good day at the park or that you're not being treated as a valued guest. I know it may come as a shock, but I've spent many days in the Magic Kingdom without riding Space Mountain or Mine Train and have always enjoyed myself.

I don't ride Space Mountain any more since it's become a bone jarring mess of a ride. And I've ridden Mine Ride enough that if I don't ride it during a visit, that's perfectly fine.

 

[flynnibus]

Hyperbole much? We're talking about tickets to a theme park here, not nuclear warfare.

And all that Disney has done here is add some FastPass+ reservations to tickets that did not have them before. They haven't raised the price of those tickets. They haven't added an upcharge. They aren't selling the FastPass+ selections. They are just there, to be used if the person wants to use them or ignored if they don't. While we can argue whether or not those particular FastPass+ selections actually benefit anyone, I certainly can't see how they hurt anyone.

Because this is the openin act... not the closing one