News Tickets with Pre Selected Fast Passes

[MisterPenguin]

what about all the people that dont get there selection and spend 3 months checking the app every day? is that fun?

Every system has winners and losers. You can't have everyone 'win' by being able to go on all the best rides with relatively little to no wait unless there are much fewer people than the park has capacity for -- which rarely happens (or you pay extra for it).

When you have crowds and some rides much more popular than others (and some of those popular ones with a low capacity), then you're going to get lines. and then some people have to wait 40, 60, 90, or 120 minutes.

With no FPs at all, winners are rope droppers... who show up before all the other rope droppers. Then it becomes a game of wondering if you need to show up 30, or 60, or 90 minutes before rope drop to ride that brand new E-Ticket. Then, with a large rope-dropping crowd, after they all get to ride their first choice ride with little wait, the park is now crowded and their next E-Ticket choice already has a 90 minute wait.

With the paper FPs, winners were the rope droppers who got on their first ride quickly, and then knew to quickly sprint to the next several rides. People who showed up mid-morning or later? Losers in that game.

With FP+, winners are long term planners. Losers are those who don't. But even then, plenty of E-Ticket rides can be found up until days before you arrive. With FP+, the winners don't have to rope-drop and make the morning rush a huge rush. They don't have to sprint across the park. People who want to ride the big E-Ticket can find a scheduled time often later in the day... maybe not the time they wanted, but it beats waiting in line for 90 minutes.

Also, when you pass a park's tipping point, that is, when there is more people than all the rides can accommodate, you get a back-up of the queues under any system... FP or no FP. Surpassed capacity is surpassed. Lines back up. MK is often passing it's tipping point daily... sometimes for part of the day, sometimes for the whole day. And FP can't be blamed for that. What is to blame is the lack of MK's capacity to handle that many people and the lack of the drawing power of the other 3 parks (which have a lower tipping point, so, they can only help so much).

WDW attendance over all is increasing at a faster rate than attraction capacity. You don't need FP in the equation to predict what that means.

 

[VaderTron]

Complete attraction list:

Fantasyland Classics
it's a small world
Dumbo the Flying Elephant
Mad Tea Party

Futuristic and Frightful Fun
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin
Haunted Mansion
Tomorrowland Speedway

Pint-Size Adventures
The Barnstormer
Magic Carpets of Aladdin
Pirates of the Caribbean

Whimsical Escapades
Under the Sea ~ Journey of the Little Mermaid
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Monsters, Inc. Laugh Floor

Immersive Explorations
Spaceship Earth
Living with the Land
The Seas with Nemo & Friends

Delightful Encounters
The Seas with Nemo & Friends
Turtle Talk with Crush
Journey Into Imagination with Figment

Sensational Stage Shows
Beauty and the Beast - Live on Stage
For the First Time in Forever: A Frozen Sing-Along Celebration
Voyage of the Little Mermaid

Movie-Inspired Excitement
Muppet*Vision 3D
Star Tours - The Adventures Continue
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular!

Prehistoric and Whitewater Thrills
DINOSAUR
Kali River Rapids
Primeval Whirl

Wild Performances
Festival of the Lion King
Finding Nemo - The Musical
It's Tough to be a Bug!

So it's a way to trick foolish people into signing up for FastPasses they don't need. Smart.

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

 

[Andrew C]

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

 

[MisterPenguin]

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

The 3 FP are at no extra cost and don't have to be taken.

It's like if you buy an ice cream cone and they offer sprinkles or chocolate 'jimmies' at no extra cost. You can choose one or the other or no topping.

But sure, shame on that ice cream shop for offering!!

 

[VaderTron]

The tickets include Fastpasses for the following day only. If you use the ticket another time, you would have to select your own passes.

The attractions included are underwhelming, but it makes sense. You're not likely to get a Fastpass for the Mine Train or Frozen ride a day before you visit.

If you choose not to look very long then sure. But I can and HAVE found Fastpasses the day before and same day for Mine Train and Frozen. The reason they are doing this is not to give 1-Day ticket holders some "bonus". It's to clear out some of the extra fastpasses on less popular rides that passholders and other semi-regular guests already know will be available day-of to use after your first 3 fastpasses have been used. Notice that not 1 E-ticket ride is offered to these "guests" (aka victims). No space mountain, no splash mountain, not even tower of terror.

 

[VaderTron]

The 3 FP are at no extra cost and don't have to be taken.

It's like if you buy an ice cream cone and they offer sprinkles or chocolate 'jimmies' at no extra cost. You can choose one or the other or no topping.

But sure, shame on that ice cream shop for offering!!

No that does not accurately portray what is being done here. The "toppings" were already offered for free at a self-serve station. Now the ice cream cart operator is saying, "Hey, let me put those toppings on there for you." They proceed to put on a teaspoon of 'jimmies' and hand it back to you hoping you won't ask for anything else...even though you are entitled to get carmel, and hot fudge and whipcream and a cherry if you want!

 

[Tom P.]

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

Hyperbole much? We're talking about tickets to a theme park here, not nuclear warfare.

And all that Disney has done here is add some FastPass+ reservations to tickets that did not have them before. They haven't raised the price of those tickets. They haven't added an upcharge. They aren't selling the FastPass+ selections. They are just there, to be used if the person wants to use them or ignored if they don't. While we can argue whether or not those particular FastPass+ selections actually benefit anyone, I certainly can't see how they hurt anyone.

 

[Tom P.]

No that does not accurately portray what is being done here. The "toppings" were already offered for free at a self-serve station. Now the ice cream cart operator is saying, "Hey, let me put those toppings on there for you." They proceed to put on a teaspoon of 'jimmies' and hand it back to you hoping you won't ask for anything else...even though you are entitled to get carmel, and hot fudge and whipcream and a cherry if you want!

But the regular tickets, not bundled with any FastPass+ selections pre-made, are still available! And it's all the same price. To use your analogy, it's as if you went into the ice cream shop and you had a line for pre-made ice cream cups and another line where you can customize. Nothing is being taken away from anyone. Just another option being added.

 

[VaderTron]

What are you talking about? This is, in no way whatsoever, a bad thing. It's AT WORST neutral.

I think you meant at BEST it's neutral, which it is not. This is predatory. It's preying on the innocence of day guests who don't know any better than to pick their own fastpasses. Right now I can get Peter Pan, Splash Mnt, Space Mnt, Thunder Mnt, Rockin'Roller Coaster, etc for tomorrow. What this does is pushes innocent "guests" into wasting their precious fastpasses on the least popular rides which they could get on in the standby line with minimal wait.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think you meant at BEST it's neutral, which it is not. This is predatory. It's preying on the innocence of day guests who don't know any better than to pick their own fastpasses. Right now I can get Peter Pan, Splash Mnt, Space Mnt, Thunder Mnt, Rockin'Roller Coaster, etc for tomorrow. What this does is pushes innocent "guests" into wasting their precious fastpasses on the least popular rides which they could get on in the standby line with minimal wait.

There's no scenario wherein the ignorant guests end up with "good" fastpasses. By definition, ignorant guests don't know enough to get the good fastpasses in the first place. They either get "bad" fastpasses or they get zero fastpasses.

 

[VaderTron]

But the regular tickets, not bundled with any FastPass+ selections pre-made, are still available! And it's all the same price. To use your analogy, it's as if you went into the ice cream shop and you had a line for pre-made ice cream cups and another line where you can customize. Nothing is being taken away from anyone. Just another option being added.

Continuing with the illustration involving an ice cream stand, in this case they are trying to direct your attention away from the self-serve station. They are not telling you, "Hey, we have a self-serve stand over there. Go help yourself. But if you don't want to, I can give you just some sprinkles." They say nothing about that. I understand why it may confuse some people how this is predatory because it's a VERY clever and underhanded method that most will not recognize. This isn't as blatant as the parking charges. They clearly learned they have to be more sneaky. Well, done Disney since many "Disney pros" have been fooled.

 

[MisterPenguin]

No that does not accurately portray what is being done here. The "toppings" were already offered for free at a self-serve station. Now the ice cream cart operator is saying, "Hey, let me put those toppings on there for you." They proceed to put on a teaspoon of 'jimmies' and hand it back to you hoping you won't ask for anything else...even though you are entitled to get carmel, and hot fudge and whipcream and a cherry if you want!

No, you are 100% wrong about this.

No one is getting a FP package without them being presented with a choice between packages or nothing at all, which allows them to chose for themselves. Disney isn't slipping them something and hoping they don't notice.

As @CaptainAmerica just posted, if a guest is so ignorant that they blindly accept one of these packages with no knowledge about what they're getting, then you can be rest assured they have zero knowledge of how to get better FPs. Assuming that the better ones for the E-Tickets are even available the day before.

Again, you are 100% wrong.

 

[jakeman]

"Trick" is such a nice word. It's a way to further slaughter poor innocents who don't know any better like heartless wolves would tear open a small lamb. Shame on you, Disney. Shame on you. You're getting more and more casual in the way your let your corporate greed show.

If you choose not to look very long then sure. But I can and HAVE found Fastpasses the day before and same day for Mine Train and Frozen. The reason they are doing this is not to give 1-Day ticket holders some "bonus". It's to clear out some of the extra fastpasses on less popular rides that passholders and other semi-regular guests already know will be available day-of to use after your first 3 fastpasses have been used. Notice that not 1 E-ticket ride is offered to these "guests" (aka victims). No space mountain, no splash mountain, not even tower of terror.

I think you meant at BEST it's neutral, which it is not. This is predatory. It's preying on the innocence of day guests who don't know any better than to pick their own fastpasses. Right now I can get Peter Pan, Splash Mnt, Space Mnt, Thunder Mnt, Rockin'Roller Coaster, etc for tomorrow. What this does is pushes innocent "guests" into wasting their precious fastpasses on the least popular rides which they could get on in the standby line with minimal wait.

Slaughter.

Victims.

Predatory.

I'm interested in how you react to matters of actual consequence if you feel this issue warrants such a visceral reaction.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

No, you are 100% wrong about this.

No one is getting a FP package without them being presented with a choice between packages or nothing at all, which allows them to chose for themselves. Disney isn't slipping them something and hoping they don't notice.

As @CaptainAmerica just posted, if a guest is so ignorant that they blindly accept one of these packages with no knowledge about what they're getting, then you can be rest assured they have zero knowledge of how to get better FPs. Assuming that the better ones for the E-Tickets are even available the day before.

Again, you are 100% wrong.

Even if they pick a package, I'm pretty sure they still have the opportunity to stop by a kiosk and modify their selections based on availability.

 

[VaderTron]

There's no scenario wherein the ignorant guests end up with "good" fastpasses. By definition, ignorant guests don't know enough to get the good fastpasses in the first place. They either get "bad" fastpasses or they get zero fastpasses.

Here is a clear example of how "Disney World" is dead and Disney World Inc. has taken it's place. Disney ingratiated himself to his guests and wanted all to have the best experience, whether their first visit or their 20th. If the Disney World of today was following Disney's ideals they would educate all guests in their fastpass system and encourage them to use it. One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them. You also have to dig in their website to find out guests can bring in food and drinks for free. Disney World Inc. just wants you to assume you can't bring it in and buy their food and drink. Similarly, Disney World Inc. hopes you think you have to pay for Fastpass+ and waste your free offering. Do you know how many people in the park do not know they get Fastpass+ for free? While it's less than in the past, it's still a large number. So, no. I don't believe your statement is fair. It's very self-centered in that you don't care that the less educated in the Disney World Inc. ways get their money taken from them for a lower quality experience than you enjoy. But, then again, does that bother you since it doesn't affect you?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Here is a clear example of how "Disney World" is dead and Disney World Inc. has taken it's place. Disney ingratiated himself to his guests and wanted all to have the best experience, whether their first visit or their 20th. If the Disney World of today was following Disney's ideals they would educate all guests in their fastpass system and encourage them to use it. One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them. You also have to dig in their website to find out guests can bring in food and drinks for free. Disney World Inc. just wants you to assume you can't bring it in and buy their food and drink. Similarly, Disney World Inc. hopes you think you have to pay for Fastpass+ and waste your free offering. Do you know how many people in the park do not know they get Fastpass+ for free? While it's less than in the past, it's still a large number. So, no. I don't believe your statement is fair. It's very self-centered in that you don't care that the less educated in the Disney World Inc. ways get their money taken from them for a lower quality experience than you enjoy. But, then again, does that bother you since it doesn't affect you?

Disney gives FPs for free. They provide the means for guests getting tickets the day before to pick up three FPs for free. They allows guests to bring food into the park for free.

And you manage to find a way to present this as evil money grubbing even though no extra money is passing hands.

Your argument here is complete foolishness.

 

[Andrew C]

One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them

Apparently you missed the huge marketing campaign that was pushed when FP+ rolled out. Today, there is an entire section on the planning DVD about it and...on the website...this.

So...can we dial down the nonsense a bit?

 

[Tom P.]

Apparently you missed the huge marketing campaign that was pushed when FP+ rolled out. Now, there is an entire section on the planning DVD about it and...on the website...this.

So...can we dial down the nonsense a bit?

Not to mention that, at least if you book a package, you actually get reminder e-mails letting you know when you have availability to make your FastPass+ reservations and encouraging you to do so.

 

[jakeman]

Here is a clear example of how "Disney World" is dead and Disney World Inc. has taken it's place. Disney ingratiated himself to his guests and wanted all to have the best experience, whether their first visit or their 20th. If the Disney World of today was following Disney's ideals they would educate all guests in their fastpass system and encourage them to use it. One of the main things you will never see advertised on the Disney website is the simple statement, "Fastpass+ is FREE". Every other company loves to highlight their free offerings. Disney World Inc. hides them. You also have to dig in their website to find out guests can bring in food and drinks for free. Disney World Inc. just wants you to assume you can't bring it in and buy their food and drink. Similarly, Disney World Inc. hopes you think you have to pay for Fastpass+ and waste your free offering. Do you know how many people in the park do not know they get Fastpass+ for free? While it's less than in the past, it's still a large number. So, no. I don't believe your statement is fair. It's very self-centered in that you don't care that the less educated in the Disney World Inc. ways get their money taken from them for a lower quality experience than you enjoy. But, then again, does that bother you since it doesn't affect you?

You also have to dig through their website to get to their weapons policy.

By your logic that means there should be no repercussions for bringing a fencing saber into the park because it requires me to read a little bit.

 

[VaderTron]

No, you are 100% wrong about this.

No one is getting a FP package without them being presented with a choice between packages or nothing at all, which allows them to chose for themselves. Disney isn't slipping them something and hoping they don't notice.

As @CaptainAmerica just posted, if a guest is so ignorant that they blindly accept one of these packages with no knowledge about what they're getting, then you can be rest assured they have zero knowledge of how to get better FPs. Assuming that the better ones for the E-Tickets are even available the day before.

Again, you are 100% wrong.

I didn't say they aren't being offered anything. They are being offered the lowest they are entitled to. That is 100% correct. This is like if they said your ticket entitles you to ride the bus to the park. In reality you can also ride the monorail, a boat or soon the skyliner. But Disney is not telling the guests they have options. They are saying, "Here, we have pre-selected the worst options for you. Wasn't that nice of us?"