Ticket price increase / FP+ changes coming?

[Lirael]

this is a model I thought about as well... but I think Disney may be getting away from the Value/Moderate/Deluxe levels? (or are they?)

Pop is hard to consider a value now that it's on the Skyliner and prices have gone up. Art of Animation family suites..would they be considered value as well?

you have to think about AP's / DVC members as well (DVC members are in the deluxe's though)

Even if they do stop separating the hotels the way they have, I have no doubt disney will still find a way to segregate them so as to avoid giving people 'too many' perks if they 'only' pay 'low' prices. "oh your resort stay only cost you 1k and a kidney? sorry, only one tier 2 FP+ for you!". I mean, there's a thread here about how they;re adding a Mickey greeting in the phone app... only if you stay more than 3 nights in a resort. Rest assured no matter what disney calls it, they will separate us based on how much we're shelling out

 

[bryanfze55]

if you haven't ever been to Legoland... don't get your expectations up very high there

I’ve been to the one in California. It was fine. I honestly preferred it greatly over Sea World, much less than Disneyland or Disney World of course.

It’s really for the kids, though. I wouldn’t be going to Legoland as a single adult male. It’s affordable and stress-free, which definitely counts for something.

 

[marni1971]

@marni1971

this may sound snarky, but it’s not....

Why bother with free FP+ for Tier 1/high demand attractions?

They could easily charge $5 per person per FP and people would pay it. What is stopping them from doing it this way?

perceived backlash

 

[marni1971]

Is there a time frame for paid FP?

To be honest I’m surprised we’ve not seen it yet.

Given the fact that MFSR and MMRR were added to the FP+ system, and RRA and ROTR likely to follow, I doubt this will be the case anytime soon.

Those attractions would have FP+ anyway, with or without a paid option.

 

[xdan0920]

perceived backlash

TDO has people paying $200 a point for the Riviera.

Paying $140pp for after hours “events.”

There is no breaking point. Just add an option in the app to purchase $5 FP for attractions and people will happily pay.

 

[marni1971]

TDO has people paying $200 a point for the Riviera.

Paying $140pp for after hours “events.”

There is no breaking point. Just add an option in the app to purchase $5 FP for attractions and people will happily pay.

It’s this bullish mentality that knows no bounds. Including proposing paid FP.

 

[TTA94]

To be honest I’m surprised we’ve not seen it yet.

Those attractions would have FP+ anyway, with or without a paid option.

Do you think ROTR will jump over to FPs at the same time as the new system gets introduced? Would seem like a wise move on their part.

 

[marni1971]

Do you think ROTR will jump over to FPs at the same time as the new system gets introduced? Would seem like a wise move on their part.

Rise should move to FP when it’s consistently stable. Which it is nowhere near.

In theory.

 

[TTA94]

Said this before but all these new attractions will still be a challenge to obtain a FP for, as the current free way, unless they charge a very high amount. It’s sad but true. Guests will still pay a great deal to avoid a 3 or 4 hour standby line and it will still be a struggle to obtain those FPS and they will still “sell out”.

What I hope is this new system fixes the 30, 60 and 90 days in advance crap. Everyone should be on the same playing field IMO, especially when it comes to the new attractions. Which is the good thing about ROTRs boarding groups.

 

[Notes from Neverland]

There's a narrow line between capitalizing on a booming market and pricing yourself out of the picture should the economy sour. Not that I'm rooting for it, but it'll be fascinating to see how Disney responds if/when the economy weakens. All of those DVC/hotel construction projects and upcharges will be the first to wilt.

 

[GusEzra]

I thought i read some where that there a a trial program for concierge level guest to purchase additional FPs and it was not going that well as people didn't see the value add, in paying for more FP

 

[homerdance]

I personally like the current FP+ system in MK, minus the 60/30 day thing. Wish they would bring that in to something like 5/10 days out.

I hate the FP+ system for the other three parks, its a waste. The only real answer to any of this is to increase capacity with more rides and more rides with higher capacity. You can do whatever you want with FP, MaxPass, paper pass, it won't make vacationing any better until they have more rides available for the masses. It wasn't that long ago when there were less people visiting Disney that the parks had much longer hours too, that impacts ride availability too. But bottom line, until Disney decides to actually increase capacity with new rides (not closing to replace NEW) the vacation experience will suffer, and there will be a need for some sort of sanity check.



Anytime there is a mention of ticket increases, this always needs to be mentioned:
According to Forbes, Iger was compensated $65.6 million in 2018, which is 1,424 times the average Disney employee's salary.

 

[bryanfze55]

I personally like the current FP+ system in MK, minus the 60/30 day thing. Wish they would bring that in to something like 5/10 days out.

I hate the FP+ system for the other three parks, its a waste. The only real answer to any of this is to increase capacity with more rides and more rides with higher capacity. You can do whatever you want with FP, MaxPass, paper pass, it won't make vacationing any better until they have more rides available for the masses. It wasn't that long ago when there were less people visiting Disney that the parks had much longer hours too, that impacts ride availability too. But bottom line, until Disney decides to actually increase capacity with new rides (not closing to replace NEW) the vacation experience will suffer, and there will be a need for some sort of sanity check.



Anytime there is a mention of ticket increases, this always needs to be mentioned:
According to Forbes, Iger was compensated $65.6 million in 2018, which is 1,424 times the average Disney employee's salary.

His compensation level is due to him being great at his one and only job: increase shareholder value. He’s been extraordinary at that. Ticket price increases increase shareholder value.

No practical reason exists for Disney to decrease his compensation until WE (the fans) actually walk the walk and stop going to the parks. Volunteers, raise your hands...

I’m not saying this is the way things should be, just that it’s the way they are. And this doesn’t apply only to Disney.

 

[nickys]

I thought i read some where that there a a trial program for concierge level guest to purchase additional FPs and it was not going that well as people didn't see the value add, in paying for more FP

It’s proving very popular, according to the site TA sponsor.

 

[lazyboy97o]

TDO has people paying $200 a point for the Riviera.

Paying $140pp for after hours “events.”

There is no breaking point. Just add an option in the app to purchase $5 FP for attractions and people will happily pay.

$5.00!!?? Then some of the irresponsible poors might get passes.

I’m kind of at the point where I hope Disney just goes full dystopian data nightmare. Buy a bunch of upcharges and FastPass, tickets, meals, etc. are going to cost you more. Total variable pricing based on macro and micro data mining. Perfect for the “Be more responsible, Disney is a business” crowd.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Given the fact that MFSR and MMRR were added to the FP+ system, and RRA and ROTR likely to follow, I doubt this will be the case anytime soon.

ROTR joins FP+ the day Disney stops cutting entertainment. Er, if there are still performers to let go, that is.

 

[A Noble Fish]

Enjoy your Fastpass+® that can easily be booked 60 days out by monthly-trip planners when you stay at a Disney® Resort-Hotel!

Spoiler: DO NOT read the fine-print PLEASE

Fastpass+® artificially inflates queues so you spend more time spending retired Disney dollars™. Expect waits of 5 hours or more for new Disney® attractions instead of standby because it's back by popular demand from soccer moms! Have a horrible day if you don't know Fastpass+ exists or you can't book even Fantasmic!® sixty days out! © Copyright Disney. All rights reserved.

Also, like @marni1971 keeps saying, Rise is the only one that needs the boarding groups due to its stability issues. It's the best system for its conditions and is better than Fastpass would ever be or standby could.

Well, on the bright side, at least there are more great rides at the park! It's more of an issue as the rides are new.

 

[lentesta]

Is there a time frame for paid FP?

My bet is that the Disney Genie app is the thing that introduces paid FP to WDW. So late 2020.

 

[xdan0920]

$5.00!!?? Then some of the irresponsible poors might get passes.

I’m kind of at the point where I hope Disney just goes full dystopian data nightmare. Buy a bunch of upcharges and FastPass, tickets, meals, etc. are going to cost you more. Total variable pricing based on macro and micro data mining. Perfect for the “Be more responsible, Disney is a business” crowd.

There is no reason they shouldn’t switch to this. Video games, especially mobile games are all about micro transactions. Why shouldn’t Disney follow suit?

Want a Peter Pan FP for the next hour, $7pp. Rise of the Resistance for 3pm, $10pp. And so on.

“Oh look a special on Splash Mountain FP, only $1pp”

With today’s guests, I honestly believe this would be well received.

 

[lentesta]

I would be surprised if they ever offer FP's in mass based on hotel tier (Deluxe, Moderate, Value).

There's a negative connection to that, which Disney has thus far stayed mostly away from, since people already scream how they cater "to the rich". I doubt they have trouble filling rooms there too, which would be the point of such a benefit, it's the value hotels and moderate hotels that routinely go on sale. To top it off, those with more money are most likely to spend on a markup, at least, you'd think.

Hypothetically, if I was back in 2010 and I was writing, say, a 110-page presentation going to Disney's board of directors about how MyMagic+ would work, I'd probably mention something about how computer-based entitlement categories are easy to configure. The words that come to mind are along the lines of "[FastPass] Categories are flexible - attractions can shift between them depending on the Guest entitlements and capacity considerations".

And, you know, just because pictures are better than words, my hypothetical page 15 would include a chart spelling out four different levels of entitlement: "no mountains", "1 mountain", "2 mountains", and "3 mountains", which, and again, I'm just spitballin' here, might be reasonably inferred as "off-site guests," "value resort guests," "moderate resort guests", and "deluxe and DVC guests" for the Magic Kingdom's (then three) mountain-themed roller coasters.

My presentation skills aren't great, but that's the first thing that comes to mind on how I would've done it.