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News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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MerlinTheGoat
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Yeah. He gained a fanbase several years ago when he managed to acquire an info dump that had some legitimate accuracy. Though some of this was already circulating the rumor mill beforehand anyway, like this retheme. And a significant amount of the accurate negativity is merely repeating what everyone else could clearly see was written on the wall (like the failures of the Starcruiser or the other management cuts which have been ongoing for decades now).
Whatever/whoever his source was at the time, it dried up very quickly. He started to post really crazy and obviously made up conspiracy theories about the company. The most absurd being that Bob Chapek was a genius messiah like figure who would save the company and usher in a new renaissance of sorts, and that Bob Iger would imminently become a disgraced pariah due to illegal dealings that would soon be made public thanks to Chapek.
There's endless amounts of real negative things Disney is doing. And that's a significant factor in how he was able to gain popularity. He's repeating a lot of stuff that people already know from regular observation. But following his initial list of predictions that made a name for him (not all of which ended up happening, but I will at least say had the potential of happening), the stuff that originates from Pro (and wasn't parroted from others or easily verified by basic observation) has had a ton of inaccuracies.
From what I and now other have been told, he's been wrong about pretty much everything regarding this ride following the initial announcement (after the early blue sky plans that were scrapped pretty quickly). He's still claiming the budget is tiny, likely using the old $40 million figure he got ahold of. While this budget was indeed accurate back in 2020 when it was first announced, it has since skyrocketed and the project has become dramatically more ambitious. Demolition work alone ended up allocating that exact amount according to a permit. And that isn't including anything that was put back in such as infrastructure, paint, scenery or animatronics etc. Pro seems to still be peddling that initial $40 mil for the overall budget. I don't know whether he's unaware that things have changed or (just as likely) won't admit he was wrong because optimistic comments are antithetical to his agenda. Maybe both though because again it also seems apparent that he doesn't know anything about the finalized plans regardless.
There's plenty I don't know about this ride myself of course. Including an exact number of AA's it will have. I am more than confident however that it has FAR more than 17. Should be multiple times that.
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BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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There's a fanmade Disney wiki that's fairly popular. Here's the article on Tiana's Bayou Adventure: https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Tiana's_Bayou_Adventure
I'm not sure why everyone is getting so defensive. They have similar facial features and appearance. I don't think there's anything nefarious about it.
If the issue was money, how much money could Disney have saved by copy/pasting the face of an AA? Seems kinda ridiculous.
Drew the Disney Dude
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Alright, here's all the photos I got today.
As I mentioned earlier, scaffolding is coming down, painting being done in the queue, and the flowers and moss are almost done on the millhouse.
yensidtlaw1969
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With respect, people aren't getting defensive, they're just correcting you.
The Tiana Animatronic is custom. She was also very expensive. I don't know where this idea came from that Animatronics and their inner workings are so easily interchangable, but it's very far from the truth.
The reason she and Belle look at all similar is because the Disney Princesses characters - at least the hand-drawn ones - follow similar design principles. Their proportions, body types, and facial structures have historically been drawn with many similarities. Thankfully Disney started to break that mold in the 90's, but there's still a clear consistency throughout the hand-drawn Princesses, for better or worse:
Disney spent gobs of money on Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Thankfully, that should be evident in the finished product - attractions like Cosmic Rewind prove that the money doesn't always get spent in ways that are visible on-stage. Tiana's will not be like that.
On top of that, Disney's Animatronics are hugely expensive, especially A1000's like Tiana and Belle. This idea that Tiana is simply a reskinned Belle is silly for 2 reasons - 1) Because Disney does not produce extras of these massively complex and extravagant figures, and 2) Because the only thing more difficult than trying to capture the likeness and performance of an iconic character in a scratch-built Animatronic would be to try to do the same thing using a base that was not designed for that character. There's no world in which they could or would throw a Tiana skin on a Belle Animatronic and expect it to look partway decent. Not that there are any spare Belles to do that with in the first place.
Purduevian
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The ride speed does not affect the hourly capacity (unless there are not enough logs to restock the load/unload)
The only 2 things that affect ride hourly capacity are:
1) Number of people per vehicle
2) Average dispatch time of vehicle
Ride time, number to vehicles on track, speed of attraction (outside of loading area), track length, ect. Do not affect the hourly capacity.
Sectorkeeper71
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In this hypothetical, would there not be more dispatched per hour because logs were going through faster? Or is that negligible and just cause bigger backups at the station?
MerlinTheGoat
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@yensidtlaw1969
Did you hear any rumors about a more specific quantity of figures? Even just a ballpark or whatever. Not that I distrust my own source, but additional clarification/confirmation from multiple independent sources is always a good thing.
And regarding the cheek thing, Tiana and Belle have nearly identical cheek shapes in their animated forms to begin with...
Did you hear any rumors about a more specific quantity of figures? Even just a ballpark or whatever. Not that I distrust my own source, but additional clarification/confirmation from multiple independent sources is always a good thing.
Outside of cheek prominence, this Tiana figure looks very different from Belle. The eyebrows and hairline, but especially the size/shape of the nose and mouth.
And regarding the cheek thing, Tiana and Belle have nearly identical cheek shapes in their animated forms to begin with...
I don’t think anyone disagrees the 2D to 3D transition creates the perception of a different appearance for each character.
With the AA, I think the several features on the face are similar to the Belle AA. I also think in terms of the appearance of facial features, the two AAs share more in common with each other, than with their respective 2D caricature. It's a subjective opinion so feel free to disagree.
MagicHappens1971
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What they are saying is... Disney did not build two Belle animatronics in the hope of using a second one for an attraction that hadn't even been planned yet. Furthermore, OLC paid for those Belle animatronics, they weren't going to foot the bill for a spare. The base work for AA's are similar, not discrediting that, but this is a custom built animatronic for Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
To which I don't believe I ever said was the case.
Exactly. The engineering/design for the core AA is already there. It is a new custom hand-built AA, but it's not a "new" AA design being used.
MagicHappens1971
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Yes... but implying that it is the "same" AA is incorrect. Do Belle & Tiana have similar facial structures? Yes, most "Disney Princesses" do. Did Disney build a brand new, custom built Belle AA1000 in the past few years? Yes. Did Disney build a brand new, custom built Tiana AA1000 in the past few years? Both of those things are true.
Brer Panther
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I'm hearing in the thread for Disneyland's retheme that Tiana is going to be older in this ride and that's why she looks a bit off? Is that true? And if so, why? What does that add to the story?
By the way, I don't think the Tiana animatronic is a reskin of Belle either (maybe that one holding the lantern in the concept art will share be, who knows?). But the outrage people are having over that theory does seem to be a bit overblown.
People on this site seem to be overly defensive about the retheme as a whole. I have a pretty good idea why.
By the way, I don't think the Tiana animatronic is a reskin of Belle either (maybe that one holding the lantern in the concept art will share be, who knows?). But the outrage people are having over that theory does seem to be a bit overblown.
MagicHappens1971
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I can't speak to other people's motivations behind their posts, but mine is simple, unless they made carbon copies, as some have suggested, there is no real motivations to produce a "similar" figure. I actually think it *may* be more expensive for them to modify an existing figures plans to make it work as a different character.
yensidtlaw1969
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Yes, because that's not how these things work at all.
LittleBuford
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It’s a theory cooked up by @TP2000 and based on nothing more than his belief that the animatronic looks at least fifteen years older than the animated character. Why treat it as a legitimate rumour?
At any rate, that the animatronic of Naveen’s brother is designed very much to look like a child should answer your question.
So none of the design work or components or testing results were reused in this one? Completely new engineering? Then why seemingly standardize it with an A1000 model if there is no commonality with previous itterations?
Thank you for explaining that. I don't believe I ever downplayed the complexity of these machines. I also don't think it's unreasonable to draw on similarities from past examples of this model AA and apply them to how the new one is being developed. Simply casting someone as a conspiracy theorists because they have a different perspective (wrong or right) is certainly unbecoming.
TP2000
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No, that's not accurate.
Like you do, I think the animatronic looks a bit older than her movie image. And she's certainly looking less glamorous in her bayou togs and mom-hairdo than she was in her Princess dress and glam updo.
What you are confusing me with is a series of posts/comments by @Disney Irish over in the Disneyland discussion that suggested the aging of Tiana wasn't news and is a purposeful move by WDI to set the ride (and also her Disneyland restaurant) years after the movie took place. From that information provided by Mr. Irish...
Tiana that has been doing the M&G at Tiana's Palace (I believe she still comes around) is also portrayed to be older similar to how she will look in the ride -
That's a weird decision to make from a merchandising and target-audience perspective.
Something tells me the "Older, Wiser, Career Woman with Mom-Hairdo Tiana" merchandise isn't going to sell as well with the target demographic of young girls as the "Young, Pretty, Glamorous, Princess Tiana" merchandise.
Mr. Irish said that as if the aging of Tiana was something we all knew was happening, when its apparent now that many of us didn't know that Tiana was going to be aged in the ride. Which would also seem to move the era of the ride into the Great Depression of the 1930's instead of the Roaring 20's the movie was set in.
What I'm still unclear on is if this aging of Tiana for the ride (and face character appearances at her Disneyland restaurant, and thus her future face character appearances at WDW also), is a purposeful decision? Does the ride really take place in the Great Depression now instead of the Roaring 20's of the movie?
Or is this just an unflattering debut of Tiana's new animatronic, paired with a questionable casting decision by Disneyland's Entertainment Department to make Tiana look noticeably older and less glamorous?
SplashJacket
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A contrast of containment standards. One being too high and one likely being too low…