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[JohnD]

I’m pretty certain anything a reporter puts out there is approved by Disney. He certainly wasn’t given free reign and free to report on anything he felt like.

I just find it all a bit odd

Sure they let him see what they wanted him to see. But they didn't write the copy.

 

[JohnD]

I think we often forget just how lush some parts of Frontierland actually are, especially along the Rivers of America. I mean you can make the argument that Big Thunder Mountain looks more out of place than Splash Mountain ever was considering all the foliage that surrounds it. Is this new look for TBA particularly distinct? Nope. But I wouldn't go as far to say that it's visually intrusive.

We're back to Frontierland must be dust and tumbleweed. Um, the Louisiana Purchase included multiple terrains beyond the 13 colonies. Why people think the "frontier" cannot include Louisiana vegetation is beyond me.

 

[JohnD]

Based on what they've done to the exterior of the ride, it's likely that aspect of the ride will degrade quicker and more noticeably than Splash. For Splash, the degradation largely affected the paint. But with Tiana, there's a ton of fake greenery adorning the mountain now. Weathering has the potential of making it look pretty worn down and faded quite quickly. That will probably be more expensive and difficult to repair than painted red clay. Plus Tiana's mossy rockwork will ALSO still need to be touched up every few years to keep it looking decent.

Interesting. Has that thought process ever occurred to you for the Tree of Life or Swiss Family Robinson Tree? What about Pandora? Just wondering.

 

[JohnD]

IMHO, it fits better there than where it is now…

I have to respond although we're going down a rabbit hole. Aladdin is a better fit in a generic Adventureland than shoehorning him into a western African nation where his story doesn't even take place. It's bad enough they have a M&G for him in Morocco now.

 

[JohnD]

Because there is no valid criticism, really; it’s just the same bitter individuals complaining that a mediocre ride was closed over a year ago. It gets stale and boring after a while.

Splash was never mediocre. It was one of the most immersive and best rides on property. At the same time, I won't pre-judge TBA. I won't deny the storyline about finding an ingredient for Tiana's co-op has me nervous. There better be a good payoff.

 

[SaucyBoy]

What exactly do you like about Disney World then?

I love all of Epcot and Animal Kingdom.

 

[mickEblu]

Right. This ride is going to live or die on its critters I think. How many, and how much movement.

I agree. I think it’s the following in no particular order ….

1. Amount of AA’s / animated figures (how full and alive does it feel?) Particularly critters though as they bring the whimsy.

2. Music

3. Climax (what are they doing instead of the slam dunk that would have been Facilier/ Friends on the other side )

4. Finale (they have big shoes to fill)

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Interesting. Has that thought process ever occurred to you for the Tree of Life or Swiss Family Robinson Tree? What about Pandora? Just wondering.

It's a generalized concern, not one that only affects this particular attraction. It's also not technically a point against the ride itself and its designers, but rather the notoriously bad management at WDW in particular (though DL isn't without fault in this regard either). It will be interesting to see if the ride remains in top condition after a year or two of Florida's weather.

I haven't had a good look at the Treehouse's foliage, but I believe the leaves on the Tree of Life at least actually ARE made out of a sturdier material more resistant to wear and fading. Not that it hasn't faded at all over the years though, because I think it has. I also haven't been over to Pandora in quite a while to look around either.

The vine and leafy foliage being installed on TBA doesn't appear to be as substantial as the foliage on the Tree of Life. At least based on the closeup videos I saw. The leafs and petals appear to flap around in the wind in a manner that makes it seem very thin and papery. Hopefully it WAS treated with some sort of anti-fade process, but we'll see.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

As I clarified in my second post on the subject of TBA's foliage, the material being used on much of what is covering the rockwork specifically looks somewhat flimsy. Looking at closeups, it looks quite thin, and the individual leaves/petals flutter and bend in even a light breeze. This compared to the rigid and tough foliage on the Tree of Life. The leaves they've covered in the new cypress trees along the flume also seem to be built out of somewhat sturdier material for the record.

There actually is plenty of fake foliage across property at WDW that is very faded and could use replacing. Even some on 7DMT is already looking pretty worn out. This included Splash Mtn in its final few years, and said foliage wasn't even all that old. TBA will no doubt get to that point as well. And some of what they're using appears like it has the potential to deteriorate more quickly than other cases.

But again, it will be up to Disney to decide how worn out it's allowed to get before they do something about it. They gave up on Splash, and that ride wasn't even an outlier at WDW. One wonders if they'll be motivated to take care of TBA for a change.

 

[JohnD]

Ah, I thought you were asking me a genuine question, not looking for an excuse to be rude. My mistake for thinking better of you. Nevertheless, i'll reiterate.

As I clarified in my second post on the subject of TBA's foliage, the material being used on much of what is covering the rockwork specifically looks somewhat flimsy. Looking at closeups, it looks quite thin, and the individual leaves/petals flutter and bend in even a light breeze. This compared to the rigid and tough foliage on the Tree of Life. The leaves they've covered in the new cypress trees along the flume also seem to be built out of somewhat sturdier material for the record.

There actually is plenty of fake foliage across property at WDW that is very faded and could use replacing. Even some on 7DMT is already looking pretty worn out. This included Splash Mtn in its final few years, and said foliage wasn't even all that old. TBA will no doubt get to that point as well. And some of what they're using appears like it has the potential to deteriorate more quickly than other cases.

But again, it will be up to Disney to decide how worn out it's allowed to get before they do something about it. They gave up on Splash, and that ride wasn't even an outlier at WDW. One wonders if they'll be motivated to take care of TBA for a change.

I was asking a genuine question but now you're trying to justify your previous post and make a distinction that somehow Disney won't be able to provide good upkeep with TBA's false foliage while never considering TOL, SWR tree or Pandora. Well, it must be those are more "substantial" than TBA. Sure they are (sarcasm). You were called out in your argument and are now trying to justify it.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

I’m curious to see how Tiana will address guests directly, and if she’ll adjust when the logs get backed up. They move pretty fast in the DL version so I hope she’s a fast talker.

 

[Joel]

a mediocre ride

I'm gonna have to reread the forum rules (JK, I never read them the first time) to see what words I'm allowed to use when responding to this.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I was asking a genuine question but now you're trying to justify your previous post and make a distinction that somehow Disney won't be able to provide good upkeep with TBA while never considering TOL, SWR tree or Pandora. Well, it must be those are more "substantial" than TBA. Sure they are (sarcasm). You were called out in your argument and are now trying to justify it.

You missed some important clarifications I made in a followup post here-

News - Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

Good riddance to animatronics with rear-projected faces.

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There are indeed different degrees of fake foliage durability. There's size, thickness, material, treatment etc. The type they added to the cypress trees along the flume are quite large and look pretty rigid and durable, similar to the Tree of Life. Whereas the curtains of greenery they covered the mountain itself with appear considerably thinner and more flimsy. When there's a small breeze, the cypress leaves remain relatively stiff and don't move all that much, whereas the ones adorning the mountain flap around like crazy. Hopefully they hold up better than I worry they will though.

I’m curious to see how Tiana will address guests directly, and if she’ll adjust when the logs get backed up. They move pretty fast in the DL version so I hope she’s a fast talker.

Funny you should mention that. Elsa has a slight waving animation of sorts when boats get stuck at her scene. It's quite stiff though and was likely added as an afterthought. She eventually just moves to a completely static position. Her face is also stuck in this hilarious smug expression throughout the breakdown too.



This is why I prefer rides not really involve guests in the story too much and just make it so people are a passive observer to whatever is happening around you. Then they can sort of just set everything to a natural "loop".

 

[JohnD]

I'm gonna have to reread the forum rules (JK, I never read them the first time) to see what words I'm allowed to use when responding to this.

We can agree Splash was never "mediocre" but it was tied to an IP that Disney wishes it never created. Therefore a new Tiana ride could never be created that could "coexist" with Splash. Splash had to go.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There’s no way Disney isn’t very very careful what on what info is released. All I’m saying is it’s very strange what they’ve released so far on this. It’s like promoting Expedition Everest before it opens and not mentioning the yeti but the office in the queue

Disney didn't "release" anything. They let a reporter see part of the unfinished ride. And the reporter reported what he saw.

As far as the reporter's account goes, he saw 'main offices' in the queue. He didn't mention how his tour guide stopped him and explained everything in the main offices and talked about how important the main offices were to the attraction and told him to make sure he mentioned the main offices and followed up with a phone call asking him "are you sure you're mentioning the main offices, right?"

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why do guests have to be active participants in every new attraction? It's dumb. Pirates is still among the best- and the guests are simply passing through the experience.

In Splash, the guests 'fall' with B'rer Rabbit. I would call that being an active participant.

 

[SuddenStorm]

In Splash, the guests 'fall' with B'rer Rabbit. I would call that being an active participant.

Only in the loosest definition of the term.

That's far different than having the ride acknowledge the guests.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

In Splash, the guests 'fall' with B'rer Rabbit. I would call that being an active participant.

Whatever involvement guests had in Splash was drastically less than something like Frozen or Rise of the Resistance where guests are directly inserted into the central plot and being constantly singled out and addressed personally by the characters.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Woo boy, busy day at work today! Just catching up on all this now...

Thank God, Disney's track record with attractions that start in offices is really good, so this is a big deal!

Finally, Disney is tossing a bone to the "TBA fans" and revealing what will make this ride so very special!

In all seriousness, this was a whole bunch of nothing:

• You hear NOLA music on speakers in the queue. We knew that.
• They tore out Splash's interiors and replaced them with authentic NOLA foliage. We knew that.
• We enter through Tiana's Foods' main offices (as opposed to her secondary or tertiary offices). I guess this wasn't confirmed previously, but is anyone ACTUALLY excited about that detail? TBA fans, I'm asking you!
• The animatronics have Hong Kong Frozen faces. We knew that. I actually confirmed that scoop with my source a few weeks ago.
• The animatronics are potentially further spaced than we thought...If anything, it means more dead-space from where they removed Splash animatronics.
• "There's magic in the basement!" - They're had better be!
• "We needed more real estate at the top." - Because that's where Mama Odie will be. We knew that.

but reveal the quality will be better than many expected.

I don't see that. Everything they said in this was stuff we already knew.

Based on what they've done to the exterior of the ride, it's likely that aspect of the ride will degrade quicker and more noticeably than Splash.

Don't worry, they'll just pressure-wash it and it'll look great!

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

The animatronics are potentially further spaced than we thought...If anything, it means more dead-space from where they removed Splash animatronics.

I'd wait until confirmation, for the reasons I mentioned in this post-

News - Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

The new information seems to corroborate my fears, just like almost all the previous information - we’re going to be getting sparsely populated spaces with one overly elaborate AA (often addressing us directly) rather then deep, intricate scenes with lots of figures of the type that Disney used...

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