LittleBuford
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They don't really transport you to the world of the film, though. But I'll wait to see the end result before forming a full opinion.
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This is a huge part of why this is not exciting to even it's original cheerleaders.
Currently, Disney has Imagineering that more often imitates or recreates rather than takes inspiration to creation.
LittleBuford
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This seems a fair and balanced take to me:
www.disneytouristblog.com
Sneak Peek at Tiana's Bayou Adventure Barn Mural Art
Disney has shared new details and a first look at artwork coming to the queue in the Tiana’s Bayou Adventure at Walt Disney World and Disneyland. This post shares photos of the upcoming barn mural,
www.disneytouristblog.com
SuddenStorm
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This seems a fair and balanced take to me:
Sneak Peek at Tiana's Bayou Adventure Barn Mural Art
Disney has shared new details and a first look at artwork coming to the queue in the Tiana’s Bayou Adventure at Walt Disney World and Disneyland. This post shares photos of the upcoming barn mural,
The comments in that post are especially insightful.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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What can I say, we're multi-talented.
I feel like this is less on the artist's part and more Disney wanting the art to be stylized but not too stylized. They probably wanted Louis to remain recognizable to parkgoers (i.e kids) and it just doesn't work with this artist's particular style.Looking at her other work, I get the strong impression there's an issue of her style just not really fitting with what they're asking her to paint. There's a weird mishmash of styles in that mural of Louis for instance. The background and even Louis' lower body are relatively consistent at least. But what throws it all off is Louis' head. It's drawn more cartoonish, with smaller sharper outlines compared to the surroundings (even against most of the body) and the classic animated wide white eyes and black dots. It doesn't really fit the rest of the painting and you can tell by looking at the artist's other work that it's not how she normally draws eyes.
I also noticed this clash of styles within the pieces they commissioned from Sharika Mahdi. Her original art, the pieces that don't contain PATF characters, are generally of higher quality and maintain a far greater consistency than what they asked her to paint for the ride. The most awkward looking pieces she created for the ride IMO were the ones showing the characters from the movie. Whereas the best piece (again IMO) was the band of musical frogs. That one seemed like it played to her strengths and unique style much more than the others.
Incomudro
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Wow! That is hysterically spot on!
Basil of Baker Street
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Can I just say outside of circles like this forum, does the general population really care about a story? Generally speaking, if folks can get on an 8 minute log flume with memorable characters and visually appealing effects, they will be pleased.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
- No
LittleBuford
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Not really. Most of them are predictable cries of “A child could have painted that”, which is about the laziest form of criticism possible.
McMickeyWorld
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In retrospect, beyond maintaining thematic integrity, when analyzing the artists' pieces and the work submitted for the project, it seems that, in some ways, certain others have created their pieces by imitating the original work. This imitation extends to the style, color palette, their use of lighting, and the level of abstraction. (I want to clarify that I am not claiming that this is the case.) In the end, it appears that Disney's intention is for the references to the characters to be very clear, thereby limiting the personal interpretation of the artists.
Personally, I think the idea of allowing projects to have their own unique interpretation of intellectual properties (IPs) in every way is fantastic. In fact, I would like to see this approach become more common and contribute to the notion that fans, like myself, appreciate the parks as something more than a platform for selling princess dolls, but rather as something closer to art or the artistic concept we hold.
From a business perspective, it is not advantageous for the company if the characters deviate too much from what people expect, as audiences want to see characters like Tiana as they were in the movies. However, many of the most iconic and acclaimed projects involving IP offer their own artistic interpretations. For instance, "Le Château de la Belle au Bois Dormant" interprets what has already been established and is widely celebrated as the most beautiful castle. Another example is the costume work in "Dreaming Up!" where characters maintain elements of their design and identity, while incorporating the unique perspective of the artists.
I hope I haven't strayed too far from the topic.
That said, I do have some concerns about what will happen to the music, especially if another artist is involved, not necessarily due to the outside artist, but because of Disney's decisions.
Personally, I think the idea of allowing projects to have their own unique interpretation of intellectual properties (IPs) in every way is fantastic. In fact, I would like to see this approach become more common and contribute to the notion that fans, like myself, appreciate the parks as something more than a platform for selling princess dolls, but rather as something closer to art or the artistic concept we hold.
From a business perspective, it is not advantageous for the company if the characters deviate too much from what people expect, as audiences want to see characters like Tiana as they were in the movies. However, many of the most iconic and acclaimed projects involving IP offer their own artistic interpretations. For instance, "Le Château de la Belle au Bois Dormant" interprets what has already been established and is widely celebrated as the most beautiful castle. Another example is the costume work in "Dreaming Up!" where characters maintain elements of their design and identity, while incorporating the unique perspective of the artists.
I hope I haven't strayed too far from the topic.
That said, I do have some concerns about what will happen to the music, especially if another artist is involved, not necessarily due to the outside artist, but because of Disney's decisions.
Sir_Cliff
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But that's the typical argument about why bother with theming at all if people just want to go on a thrilling roller coaster.
Disney traditionally did so much better than its rivals precisely by paying so much attention to things such as theming and story (in a broad sense rather than linear narrative). Strip that away and you get DCA 1.0.
His cover's blown. They'll be "sending him on vacation upstate" tommorow
Basil of Baker Street
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Personally, I agree 100% with you. Traditionally baseball was the most popular sport in America but times have changed.
Anecdotally, My 14yo loved Splash. Her knowledge of the ride is Brer Fox and Bear and trying to catch rabbit. That's it. Also she has no idea what Song of the South is. I would guess that she is in the majority.
Which means it was well designed and great on its own accord, which is what the concern is for this new attraction and what is known. Disney not doing things as well as Tony Baxter and team did.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
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Photo from the other site:
Salt Mine appears to have been topped off. But I thought they usually put an American flag on top when they finish...maybe that's still coming, or maybe that tradition has ended...
Salt Mine appears to have been topped off. But I thought they usually put an American flag on top when they finish...maybe that's still coming, or maybe that tradition has ended...
Bocabear
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I would say she is...most people did not know what it was until others brought up the back story that had been stripped away 40 years ago...to leave it as a harmless story about a fox and bear trying to catch a rabbit that has decided he wanted to leave his home and see the world...only to realize that home was where he was happiest....
_caleb
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Most attractions have a backstory that guests don't ever know about--this is how Imagineers make attractions that have internally consistent themes. Disney's fandom-oriented PR makes much more of backstories and inspirations and source materials because sorts we geek out about these sorts of things. If someone is bothered by seeing all these background details, I'd encourage them to avoid threads like this one.
Sir_Cliff
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I don't see much evidence that people want less theming in their theme parks, though. If anything, we have a bit of an arms race between Disney and Universal on that front that (unfortunately, IMO) has taken the Harry Potter lands as the model for trying to create lands that wholly immerse visitors in particular worlds and stories.
As far as Disney is concerned, I think the problem is that they've become too literal in imagining 'story' means a cohesive narrative which involves, for example, typing out a biography for a store owner or character on a ride rather than creating a loose backstory that allows guests to fill in the blanks themselves. Attractions like Haunted Mansion or Big Thunder are good examples of where story drives a strong theme without being a straitjacket.
Splash was a bit of an anomaly in that it did have a narrative storyline, but worked as a fun thrill ride whether you knew it or not. That will hopefully also be the case for Tiana. However, the way they have drip fed information is a little as if Big Thunder had been presented to the public through a great deal of exposition over several years about the owner of the mine, labor conditions for the miners, how fluctuating prices on global markets for precious metals affected the fortunes of those working there, and how the effects of environmental degradation would be reflected in the landscape of the mountain.