Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

DrAlice

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The first Tiana is not talking. Only waving at people lol.
That's all we got at WDW last week also.

I asked my family last night to explain the story of the ride. They both said, "We're picking vegetables for food for the party." My teenage kid thought the log we were riding was meant to be the vegetable cart that the veggies are moving on. They both completely missed the fact that we were shrunken down.

I mean, when the entire queue is themed as "Tiana's Foods", how can you blame them for thinking the plot involved food? I find this amusing. I now want to poll people as they get off the ride to see what they think the story is. C'mon YouTubers, make this happen! 😅
 

Disney Irish

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Oh I see so Rise of the Resistance/ Star Wars fans care about in depth theming but PatF fans don’t. Interesting. Well hey, at least you’re admitting that TBA leaves a bit to be desired.
I was more specifically talking about the consistent complaints of "no story" or "dumb story", which is also thrown at Rise too.

Also I don't think I've ever said TBA didn't leave something to be desired, especially for many here. But I can only give my personal opinion on what I like and how I feel about something, and I think for what it is, and the audience that is the primary consumer, I think it'll be enjoyed by the masses.
 

Professortango1

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Did the second (mute) Naveen figure in the boat with Tiana, seen in the concept art, actually make it into this version? I'm guessing no based on the scans of photos and some vids I've seen, but thought I'd check.

I feel all that went wrong with this has been covered and I basically agree 100% with what others said - I'll add (and maybe this has also been noted), that the relationship/romance between Tiana and Naveen in the film was one of many things about the movie I loved and that appears nonexistent here too. Wasted opportunities all around.
I'm fairly certain that was an earlier concept for the ride, I assume with the spice storyline. Naveen and Tiana were exploring the bayou and Louis would appear from the water. When that storyline was replaced and they decided they wanted a fabric Louis that couldn't be in water, Naveen was cut and replaced with Louis for a majority of the attraction.
 

chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
I mean, when the entire queue is themed as "Tiana's Foods", how can you blame them for thinking the plot involved food? I find this amusing. I now want to poll people as they get off the ride to see what they think the story is. C'mon YouTubers, make this happen! 😅
It should start at the point where they are talking about plot. The 25:50 timestamp is the best part. Same question I asked earlier.

 
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EagleScout610

This time of year I become rather Grinchy
Premium Member
Is there a reason why nearly every POV shows the water not running for the final drop? I understand the attraction doesn't technically need it to operate, but it's really bad show without the final waterfall flowing. I really hope this doesn't become the standard for the final drop. :rolleyes:
Seems like WDW turned it on when it opened to the public. If I had to guess it's an "Ehh it's just previews so we'll have it on for the public"
 

DrAlice

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It should start at the point where they are talking about plot. The 25:50 timestamp is the best part. Same question I asked earlier.


This tracks with our experience in Florida. I said this in another thread (or earlier in this thread), but the ride was really just a sing-a-long with happy happy joy joy PatF characters. Oh yeah, and gardening.

@Disney Irish My husband and I echoed your thoughts about Disney lowering standards to meet what the guests want. This is really evident in Epcot. Everywhere around that park are reminders of Epcot's global togetherness theme. This is in stark contrast to the recent additions of Frozen Ever After and Cosmic Rewind. However, when you look around, people are having a great time and enjoying what is there. At WDW's TBA, everyone was having a great time, singing along. People left the ride happy and went off in search of merch or beignets to buy. It's a Disney win.

Do I think this is GOOD? Nope. Not at all. However, it is, I think, the unfortunate reality in which we find ourselves. Disney no longer corners the market on themed experiences and "good enough" is fine for most guests. 🤷‍♀️
 

el_super

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This modern philosophy is why the new dark rides suck in comparison to the classics. They have it in their heads that every character needs to somehow be tied in with the story.

That's not a modern change. That goes back to 1955. Look up the George Whitney memo.

That was never the case with Pirates, Mansion, Splash, Small World, or Spaceship Earth. Every animatronic character still does something in all of these attractions, but we don’t know their names or their backstories cause we don’t need to.

These attractions were also mostly devoid of any real story. They were just setup as vignettes or parts of scenes. There's nothing wrong with an attraction being setup this way, and you can certainly make the case that Tiana's doesn't need to follow a linear story either to still be fun.

The inconsistency occurs in trying to insist that Tiana's linear storytelling is flawed, when Splash was equally flawed, and it wasn't necessarily a requirement for success with other attractions anyway.
 

el_super

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Did they seem like recycled elements or did they fit Splash Mountain?

Of course they felt recycled because they were. But I am starting to understand the reality being that we have passed America Sings being part of personal experience on this board. Memories fade pretty quickly I guess.

Animated figures singing and giving life to a world is better than empty vistas and lifeless corners.

Depends on what is trying to be conveyed. I think the bayou scene on Tiana is being presented in a more appropriate way than the swamp (was it a swamp?) on Splash. The geese were a distraction.

In fact why didn't Brer Fox and Brer Bear ever go after the geese? Seem like they would have been easier targets.
 

Brer Oswald

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That's not a modern change. That goes back to 1955. Look up the George Whitney memo.



These attractions were also mostly devoid of any real story. They were just setup as vignettes or parts of scenes. There's nothing wrong with an attraction being setup this way, and you can certainly make the case that Tiana's doesn't need to follow a linear story either to still be fun.

The inconsistency occurs in trying to insist that Tiana's linear storytelling is flawed, when Splash was equally flawed, and it wasn't necessarily a requirement for success with other attractions anyway.
Splash was able to have its cake and eat it too. It was lightning in a bottle. It told an easy to follow story that serviced the drops well AND had the cocktail party style vignettes for people not interested in the storyline. Everyone here agrees this attraction was amazing from a design perspective aside from you. The reason why people were so excited for this retheme is because they assumed Disney would apply the genius design intent of the original Splash Mountain to the PatF IP. Of course, the two properties aren’t one to one, but they certainly could have gotten closer if they wanted to.

Tiana tries to tell a linear story that isn’t compelling and doesn’t fit the ride system. It has no business being a log flume. There’s no tension or danger when there should be tension and danger. There’s no mood changes at all. It’s almost off putting. The characters don’t really do anything. They don’t grow or change like Brer Rabbit. They don’t partake in any actions like Brer Fox and Brer Bear. They just stand and point.

And no, standing and pointing doesn’t count as a “vignette”. There has to be some sort of scene that’s distinguishable from each other. In Splash, you had “Leaving Home”, “Rope Trap”, “the Laughing Place”, “The Honey Trap”, “Home Sweet Home”, etc. In TBA, you have Tiana 1, Louis 1, Tiana 2, Tiana 3, Louis 2, Tiana 4, and (the only actual “vignette”) the party scene.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I don't think I've heard any complaints about Rise's story (at least not to the extent of TBA's). It's pretty simple - you get caught by the bad guys, you get broken out, you try to get off the ship, and then you do so.
Its the "recruit" story complaint, often called weak, boring, passive, and non-immersive, about being recruited for a "mission" that didn't need us in the first place. Same complaint for Smugglers, MB, WebSlingers, and many more.
 

Professortango1

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Of course they felt recycled because they were. But I am starting to understand the reality being that we have passed America Sings being part of personal experience on this board. Memories fade pretty quickly I guess.



Depends on what is trying to be conveyed. I think the bayou scene on Tiana is being presented in a more appropriate way than the swamp (was it a swamp?) on Splash. The geese were a distraction.

In fact why didn't Brer Fox and Brer Bear ever go after the geese? Seem like they would have been easier targets.
I didn't ask if they were recycled, I asked if they felt recycled. And no, they did not. I loved America Sings, but the figures worked perfectly and were re-costumed and placed in places where they worked.

And you're saying the Geese distracted you from the leaves and tree stumps located around them?

They didn't go after the Geese because they aren't the main character. Brer Rabbit is and was a trickster, so they were going after him because it was personal.
 
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DavidDL

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... Everyone here agrees this attraction was amazing from a design perspective aside from you. ...

There are certain individuals whom the Ignore button was designed for. Blocking folks who consistently engage in bad faith discussion (or try to push some kind of outside agenda) did wonders for me a while ago. If someone is really trying to claim that certain attractions (ex. Splash, Mansion, Pirates, etc.) aren't objectively good from a design standpoint, then you might actually be having a discussion with a brick wall. You can't instill logic in it, just understand the futility and walk away. Your mind will thank you.

... they assumed Disney would apply the genius design intent of the original Splash Mountain to the PatF IP. Of course, the two properties aren’t one to one, but they certainly could have gotten closer if they wanted to. ...

Count me as one of those folks who was actually super stoked on this announcement when they made it. Whatever their reasoning, I love Princess and the Frog (certainly much more than Song of the South) and felt like the announcement was a perfect fit for Disneyland given the attraction's location between New Orleans Square and Critter Country. As I've said, I don't hate everything that I see with how it ended up, it looks like a serviceable attraction. But I, like many others, also assumed we'd be getting something else when it was announced. Stuff like "Are ya ready?!" as you ascended the final lift seemed like no-brainers to me, for example. I certainly think they overthought much of the final product.

Sure, there are no mountains in the Bayou but we didn't need an explanation for why the whimsical attraction (in a place like Disneyland, where the Matterhorn is next door to Sleeping Beauty Castle) looks the way it does. But they shot themselves in the foot when they started talking about stuff like when this story takes place canonically and trying to come with with some reason why going through a salt mine would make sense. That sort of thinking can work for certain attractions (I think Rise of the Resistance does it well) but something like Princess and the Frog probably should have gotten the storybook, "Hey, you're in Disneyland!" treatment. Guests don't ask why Rapunzel still has her long hair when they meet her, so they're probably not going to question someone like Dr. Facilier being present.

Unless you try and tie yourself down with timelines, canon, etc. Which they did. That being the case: why is Ray singing "Going Down the Bayou"? I thought he was dead. We see him and Evangeline in the sky right before the dip drop! See? If you hadn't of come out and told me that I now need to judge this attraction in a certain context, this wouldn't even be a complaint. But because they told me this ride takes place after the movie, now it is.

... Tiana tries to tell a linear story that isn’t compelling and doesn’t fit the ride system. ...

My wife had a similar complaint with Mission Breakout. The "OhmygodI'mgoingtodie" falling elevator ride system was a perfect fit for the spooky atmosphere and story of the Tower of Terror. But when she rode Guardians, the music and characters, etc. felt to her like it was trying to be a party of some kind that she should be enjoying. Not fearing for her life. Basically, she felt the ride system didn't feel like it was a good fit for what was happening around her.
 

mickEblu

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There are certain individuals whom the Ignore button was designed for. Blocking folks who consistently engage in bad faith discussion (or try to push some kind of outside agenda) did wonders for me a while ago. If someone is really trying to claim that certain attractions (ex. Splash, Mansion, Pirates, etc.) aren't objectively good from a design standpoint, then you might actually be having a discussion with a brick wall. You can't instill logic in it, just understand the futility and walk away. Your mind will thank you.

💯
 

SuddenStorm

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I was obviously never going to be a fan of this attraction- I didn't enjoy Princess and the Frog and Splash was my favorite thing there.

The petty side of me wanted this thing to crash and burn, but the Disneyland fan wanted it to be good ride in its own right, if only so future generations had something to enjoy.

But did anyone expect it to be this bad? Like it's insulting. I wish people could watch this and say "I miss Splash, but this is pretty good!"

Instead its - "Wait, that's the best they could do?"

And what's interesting is this is what was delivered after the rumored budget increases the project received in response to the public backlash. Just imagine if we got v1.0 of this thing.

This is insultingly bad, and we lost a classic attraction for it. This side of the park is now permanently worse off because of it. WDI should be embarrassed.
 

mickEblu

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I was obviously never going to be a fan of this attraction- I didn't enjoy Princess and the Frog and Splash was my favorite thing there.

The petty side of me wanted this thing to crash and burn, but the Disneyland fan wanted it to be good ride in its own right, if only so future generations had something to enjoy.

But did anyone expect it to be this bad? Like it's insulting. I wish people could watch this and say "I miss Splash, but this is pretty good!"

Instead its - "Wait, that's the best they could do?"

And what's interesting is this is what was delivered after the rumored budget increases the project received in response to the public backlash. Just imagine if we got v1.0 of this thing.

This is insultingly bad, and we lost a classic attraction for it. This side of the park is now permanently worse off because of it. WDI should be embarrassed.

I honestly don’t think anyone thought it could turn out THIS bad. It’s beyond belief. After the initial shock and anger wore off I began to hope they would do Splash as well as PatF justice. That didn’t last long because as soon as the parks blogs started coming in I slowly started to realize that this wasn’t looking good. Always holding out hope though that it would somehow come together or that perhaps we’d be pleasantly surprised. It’s almost as if every single decision they made on this project was the exact opposite of what I would have liked to see.
 

EagleScout610

This time of year I become rather Grinchy
Premium Member
I honestly don’t think anyone thought it could turn out THIS bad. It’s beyond belief. After the initial shock and anger wore off I began to hope they would do Splash as well as PatF justice. That didn’t last long because as soon as the parks blogs started coming in I slowly started to realize that this wasn’t looking good. Always holding out hope though that it would somehow come together or that perhaps we’d be pleasantly surprised. It’s almost as if every single decision they made on this project was the exact opposite of what I would have liked to see.
I think another part of it is that WDW's was kind of expected by the fans to swing and miss. It's out in Frontierland, it's much longer and slower, BTMMR is 5 feet away, the story didn't have alot so there'd be lots of dead space. DL's was the one people were like "Alright, this one has the chance to be good" and it's a miss too
 

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