Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[the.dreamfinder]

It’s split. Disney owns part of it, but I think the majority is owned by the Oriental Land Company, who payed for most of the park’s construction. Disney just licenses the Disney brand and characters to OLC and plays a part in managing the park.

Wrong. Disney owns 0% of OLC, they passed on investing in Tokyo Disneyland. They get a 10% cut of all revenue as a royalty and that’s it.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I'm pretty sure this Splash Mountain change started because WDI knew the only way they'd get the necessary funds to restore the DLR ride would be to slap on a new-IP and have that cost shared with other versions.

I dunno. All of the SM animatorics need to redone with electric motors replacing the hydraulics to save money and improve show quality. It seems like a PatF version of SM will have fewer Animatorics and more screen based elements.

I feel like if this redo isn’t officially started before Iger leaves at the end of the year, it’s not happening.

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

Nice. It would be great if at least one park held out and kept Splash Mountain. I never knew the WDW version was so different from Disneyland until I got to ride it this year. It seems like the better version. It would still be a bummer to see it replaced at Disneyland, but it would soften the blow to know the better version survived.

Yeah. WDW has the better queue and actual ride, but I prefer DL’s soundtrack and exterior.

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

Wrong. Disney owns 0% of OLC, they passed on investing in Tokyo Disneyland. They get a 10% cut of all revenue as a royalty and that’s it.

Oops. My bad. Sorry about that. They totally should have invested in it, though. It’s 100% the best Disney resort outside the US.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I dunno. All of the SM animatorics need to redone with electric motors replacing the hydraulics to save money and improve show quality. It seems like a PatF version of SM will have fewer Animatorics and more screen based elements.

I feel like if this redo isn’t officially started before Iger leaves at the end of the year, it’s not happening.

Unfortunate timing for Iger's Democratic political campaign that the announcement in June 2020 came after he formally stepped down as CEO.

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

I feel like if this redo isn’t officially started before Iger leaves at the end of the year, it’s not happening.

I would be so incredibly happy if they cancelled it.

 

[Brer Oswald]

It's been rumored from someone within the company there's a 3% chance Orlando rethemes.
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Yeah no. It’s certainly higher than 3%. Maybe a 3% chance of it not happening. LOL.

 

[SuddenStorm]

There’s no way that they can make a better and cohesive experience. You’re damned if you try to retell a 90 minute movie in 8 minutes. You’re damned if you create a new story about a missing trumpet (how they will spin that to being inclusive I can’t wait to see).

Splash Mountain worked because it combined three shorts into one story. It also had more talented Imagineers working on it. Not to say that the current ones are bad, but, their recent offerings do not compare to the work of Baxter and the second gen of WDI (let alone the first Gen).

Splash also adapted the animated bits from Song of the South about as loosely as you possibly could. There's a few visual elements, the bit with the bees, and Brer Rabbit getting caught- but a vast majority of the imagery in the ride has nothing to do with Song of the South. Heck, even the songs have a lot of new lyrics.

Imagineering doesn't know how to design a ride like Splash anymore.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Unfortunate timing for Iger's Democratic political campaign that the announcement in June 2020 came after he formally stepped down as CEO.

Did you mean “Independent” Bob Iger? He’s too good to be a registered member of a political party.

 

[SuddenStorm]

They’re overcorrecting to get extra credit from the people that eat this stuff up. There’s nothing wrong with the song unless you go by conspiracy theory. But there’s especially nothing wrong with the instrumental of the song.

The offensive song that people are trying to retcon as Zipadeedoodah’s “inspiration”. It goes to the tune of Turkey in the Straw. Doesn’t the instrumental of that play in the parks and on Disney +? Will they edit out half of Steamboat Willie in their “commitment to inclusivity”?

Spoiler

Of course they won’t

I've had the exact same thought- I listened to the minstrel song when it became popular to say Zip a Dee Doo Dah was offensive because of it, and was like huh? There's one line that's vaguely similar, but nothing else.

But, there's no room for nuance. Just like how if someone were to make the argument Zip a Dee Doo Dah was offensive due to a vague similarity to an old minstrel song, therefore any version of that song must be purged- Splash must be removed because it borrowed elements from Song of the South, even though it was basically unanimously agreed for decades there was nothing wrong with Splash Mountain.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Splash also adapted the animated bits from Song of the South about as loosely as you possibly could. There's a few visual elements, the bit with the bees, and Brer Rabbit getting caught- but a vast majority of the imagery in the ride has nothing to do with Song of the South. Heck, even the songs have a lot of new lyrics.

Imagineering doesn't know how to design a ride like Splash anymore.

It’s remarkably and necessarily different from the movie. A do-over if you will.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Pooh Corner doesn't really sell that much Pooh merch anymore, other than 1 or 2 Pooh T Shirts and a couple of Pooh stuffed animals, it's now just a generic store that sells most of the things that the rest of the park sells with a bakery attached to it.

This video shows the merch selection very similarly to as I remember it from a few months before the park closed (just with a larger selection of Pooh dolls which I recall had been mostly replaced by even more Disney baby dolls):

I purchased the Brer Rabbit, Brer Fox, and Brer Bear plush things from Pooh Corner a month or two before the park closed, not because I buy plushes but because I wanted to incentivize more Splash merchandise.

Of course, that was a couple months before everyone decided Splash was taboo and we could still enjoy Zip a Dee Doo Dah and the Brer characters.

 

[SuddenStorm]

It’s remarkably and necessarily different from the movie. A do-over if you will.

I understand and agree with many of the arguments made against Song of the South, but I've also long been of the opinion that Disney's treatment of the film and the rise of Buzzfeed and other tabloid websites that shared clickbait articles about Walt Disney's banned, racist film added fuel to the fire and created a public perception that the film is far worse then it is.

And none of the issues with Song of the South are present in Splash Mountain. Disneyland thrives on mythology- it has adaptations of European fairy tales (Fantasyland), American folklore (Frontierland), I think it makes sense to have an adaptation of African folklore as well.

I remember this video got shared here a few months ago, and I think this lady is spot on in her observations.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I understand and agree with many of the arguments made against Song of the South, but I've also long been of the opinion that Disney's treatment of the film and the rise of Buzzfeed and other tabloid websites that shared clickbait articles about Walt Disney's banned, racist film added fuel to the fire and created a public perception that the film is far worse then it is.

And none of the issues with Song of the South are present in Splash Mountain. Disneyland thrives on mythology- it has adaptations of European fairy tales (Fantasyland), American folklore (Frontierland), I think it makes sense to have an adaptation of African folklore as well.

I remember this video got shared here a few months ago, and I think this lady is spot on in her observations.

She is spot on because she grew up with the knowledge of what these stories are really about. It’s a battle between people that have the knowledge, and the vast majority in this day in age that unfortunately don’t have the knowledge and aren’t willing to get a different perspective.

I don’t think it helps that many against the change are only against it because they are “anti woke”. Who cares about them? The Brer Rabbit stories are bigger than that.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I really, really hope that when the park reopens Splash Mountain gets a lot of love from park guests, and that when Disney puts out surveys they get push back on the change.

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

I really, really hope that when the park reopens Splash Mountain gets a lot of love from park guests, and that when Disney puts out surveys they get push back on the change.

I hope I’ll be able to ride it one last time.

I’ve only been on Disneyland’s version twice, and I’ve never been to Magic Kingdom. I hope I’ll be able to at least get to MK before it’s gone, and maybe even DL as well.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I hope I’ll be able to ride it one last time.

I’ve only been on Disneyland’s version twice, and I’ve never been to Magic Kingdom. I hope I’ll be able to at least get to MK before it’s gone, and maybe even DL as well.

I’ve unfortunately only been on Disneyland’s once, and have had around 39 trips in the Florida version. Not enough if you ask me, but still good. I don’t think I’ll ever get the chance to go on a Splash Mountain again, not with COVID preventing me from getting to a park. Perhaps it’s better that my last ride was a happy one.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I've never been to Florida, but have ridden disneyland's well over 100 times. Heck I was doing at least 5-10 rides a week fall of 19 alone.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I respect Miss Georgia’s opinion and thoughts on the subject, but Joel Chandler Harris is one of the last people I’d consider as a “preserver” of our heritage, unless by “our,” she means general American heritage and not black American heritage.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I respect Miss Georgia’s opinion and thoughts on the subject, but Joel Chandler Harris is one of the last people I’d consider as a “preserver” of our heritage, unless by “our,” she means general American heritage and not black American heritage.

While that’s fair enough (as was the earlier comment about Uncle Remus), that doesn’t invalidate the Brer Rabbit tales origins and intent.

They don’t belong to Joel. They don’t belong to Disney. Why is society letting White people take ownership and credit for things that don’t belong to them?