Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[el_super]

My point is that the people for or not opposed to this change are less concerned with these kind of details. Take that for what you will.

You are making an assumption that they do not care about those details, because you are expecting them to make an equal comparison between details that don't exist and a ride that already exists. It's a faulty assumption.

 

[mickEblu]

You are making an assumption that they do not care about those details, because you are expecting them to make an equal comparison between details that don't exist and a ride that already exists. It's a faulty assumption.

No

 

[DrAlice]

And my last post reminds me... it’s interesting to me that the voices for or not opposed to this change never really seem to be invested in the minute details of themed attractions at DL. People against the change will post detailed explanations of why they are against. People for are not usually explaining why PatF will be such a great Overlay except for @Rich T

Whaaaa???? I can only speak for myself here, but just because I didn't post a big detailed thing on a fan forum, doesn't mean I'm not invested in minute details of themed attractions. I'm on a NERDY DISNEY FORUM. Why would I be here if I wasn't invested in the details???? I didn't post anything because @Rich T said all there was to say.

 

[mickEblu]

Whaaaa???? I can only speak for myself here, but just because I didn't post a big detailed thing on a fan forum, doesn't mean I'm not invested in minute details of themed attractions. I'm on a NERDY DISNEY FORUM. Why would I be here if I wasn't invested in the details???? I didn't post anything because @Rich T said all there was to say.

Well you would think right? But one of the more vocal people for this change said it’s too soon for that stuff. Besides, I don’t really recall reading your opinion on this subject at all. Maybe I missed it?

 

[Rich T]

My guess is it takes place after the movie but "OH NO Prince is back from the dead" and he turns them into a FROG again and it will be the same music and storyline as the movie

I agree about the general ride story, except I’m certain only Naveen will be a frog again, so Tiana can be a princess through the whole ride. (One of my only complaints with the movie is that after establishing her as such a likable and relatable character, the filmmakers turn her into a frog for most of the remaining film. And she’s just not as interesting as a frog.)

 

[Rich T]

I still find PATF a baffling choice for Splash Mt. In terms of theme, I guess it loosely fits. But the ride itself is an intimidating thrill ride with a scary waterfall and a 40 inch height requirement that excludes many children. It clearly appeals to little girls. They are the primary audience for Princess movies regardless of what adult Disney fans tell you--It's NOT a movie for you, it's for kids. As a fit for Splash Mt ride system, it's poor.

ParF is a movie for everyone., and what few “princess-y” moments it has are generally poking fun at the stereotype. Tiana wants to be a hands-on restaurateur, not a princess.

And how is a story about a singing bunny any more “fitting” for a thrill ride with a height limit???

PatF is a family film, but it is waaaaay scarier than SotS.... well, unless you count terrified Disney execs.

 

[DrAlice]

Well you would think right? But one of the more vocal people for this change said it’s too soon for that stuff. Besides, I don’t really recall reading your opinion on this subject at all. Maybe I missed it?

Well, it's hard to have a full opinion about an overlay that hasn't been built yet. I suspect Disney hasn't even fully fleshed out what they will do completely yet.
All I've voiced publicly on this is that from a corporate standpoint, this change is an absolute no-brainer: Less trouble with source material, an IP that many know and enjoy, more opportunity to sell make-overs and plush.

For me, it's really going to be about execution. If they can fix the issues with the current ride (lighting, animatronics, etc.), and they don't cheap out on the overlay, this change could be great. As others have already discussed, it has the potential to be better than it is now. I just can't get worked up over this now without seeing a finished product. ESPECIALLY when the ride has had so many issues for so long.

Having said all that, I will miss Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Da.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Well, it's hard to have a full opinion about an overlay that hasn't been built yet. I suspect Disney hasn't even fully fleshed out what they will do completely yet.
All I've voiced publicly on this is that from a corporate standpoint, this change is an absolute no-brainer: Less trouble with source material, an IP that many know and enjoy, more opportunity to sell make-overs and plush.

For me, it's really going to be about execution. If they can fix the issues with the current ride (lighting, animatronics, etc.), and they don't cheap out on the overlay, this change could be great. As others have already discussed, it has the potential to be better than it is now. I just can't get worked up over this now without seeing a finished product. ESPECIALLY when the ride has had so many issues for so long.

Having said all that, I will miss Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Da.

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's just unfortunate that we have to be so soft as to change the bride scene in pirates, or completely remove a 30 year old Disney classic that wasn't offensive until now.

I'd reluctantly admit that PATF could probably make for a fun replacement.. HOWEVER, I have no trust in the way imagineering and Disney management have completely butchered their offerings lately.

 

[DrAlice]

HOWEVER, I have no trust in the way imagineering and Disney management have completely butchered their offerings lately.

Fair enough. They've earned that.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

If they do Tiana mountain excellently and to the best of their ability without ripping out animatronics in place of screens, I'll be happy. I'll call it an even swap. But given their recent history with reimagining classics, I'm not hopeful.

 

[Rich T]

Thought I’d share this PatF music Splash Mountain POV mashup. Watched it last night. I’ve only seen PatF once and remember liking it but didn’t remember any of the songs. This video reminds me that the songs in the movie are pretty good and I think would fit with Splash Mountain Pretty well. Of course they are nowhere near as iconic but probably the best IP replacement we could hope for. Just think, this could be a Zootopia retheme (I shudder).

I’m actually hoping they stick closer to the movie in a non linear way. Them saying the ride takes place after the movie makes me fearful of some Frozen Ever After experience with no drama or emotional arc. At least if they stick to the movie we know the songs are good and Dr Facilier CMs bring a darker element to the ride.

This is awesome, and conveys how much fun this could be if done right.

I share your concerns; I do NOT want this to be a plotless “Meet n’ Greet: The Ride“ like Frozen Ever After. But I am sure the reason it takes place after the film is to keep Tiana human. I’m hopeful that, since the PR only mentions Tiana and Louis as joining your adventure, that Naveen has been Frogged again and Dr Facilier returns. Basically the movie without Tiana having to be a frog.

 

[mickEblu]

This is awesome, and conveys how much fun this could be if done right.

I share your concerns; I do NOT want this to be a plotless “Meet n’ Greet: The Ride“ like Frozen Ever After. But I am sure the reason it takes place after the film is to keep Tiana human. I’m hopeful that, since the PR only mentions Tiana and Louis as joining your adventure, that Naveen has been Frogged again and Dr Facilier returns. Basically the movie without Tiana having to be a frog.

That doesn’t sound too bad. I guess they can still use the music from the movie and maybe add something original as well. Of all of them I think “friends on the other side” works best and I hope they include that for the lift hill.

Sigh. I guess this is really happening.

 

[Rich T]

That doesn’t sound too bad. I guess they can still use the music from the movie and maybe add something original as well. Of all of them I think “friends on the other side” works best and I hope they include that for the lift hill.

Sigh. I guess this is really happening.

The timing of the lift hill music in that video is superb!

 

[mickEblu]

Well, it's hard to have a full opinion about an overlay that hasn't been built yet. I suspect Disney hasn't even fully fleshed out what they will do completely yet.
All I've voiced publicly on this is that from a corporate standpoint, this change is an absolute no-brainer: Less trouble with source material, an IP that many know and enjoy, more opportunity to sell make-overs and plush.

For me, it's really going to be about execution. If they can fix the issues with the current ride (lighting, animatronics, etc.), and they don't cheap out on the overlay, this change could be great. As others have already discussed, it has the potential to be better than it is now. I just can't get worked up over this now without seeing a finished product. ESPECIALLY when the ride has had so many issues for so long.

Having said all that, I will miss Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Da.

why does everyone keep throwing out “full opinion.” All i said was I haven’t seen any commentary in that regard from most of the people in favor of this change. I didn’t say I want a full 10 page report on my desk on Monday.

I disagree that it has the chance to be better but I think they have a shot at making it good/ decent. Or it could go really bad.

 

[DrAlice]

why does everyone keep throwing out “full opinion.” All i said was I haven’t seen any commentary in that regard from most of the people in favor of this change. I didn’t say I want a full 10 page report on my desk on Monday.

"What's this I hear about your TPS reports? Didn't you get that memo?"

Again, I won't speak for others, but all I meant was that I'm reserving judgement until I see the thing. Overall, I don't feel strongly about the change either way, as I feel it was inevitable. I'm hopeful that I will like it. It's possible I'll like it more than the original (I really like PaTF). It's also entirely possible that they cheap out and it sucks. And then they fail to maintain it so you have a broken, sucky new ride. But, maintaining that kind of pessimism is no way to go through life.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

 

[PiratesMansion]

And my last post reminds me... it’s interesting to me that the voices for or not opposed to this change never really seem to be invested in the minute details of themed attractions at DL. People against the change will post detailed explanations of why they are against. People for are not usually explaining why PatF will be such a great Overlay except for @Rich T

Understanding the reasons for the change is not the same thing as being mindless saps who don't appreciate what makes Disneyland Disneyland. If I didn't appreciate what Disney parks is capable of doing at their best, I wouldn't have traveled the world to visit all of them. I don't believe I've said that I believe the overlay will be perfect or flawless, simply that I understand why they are doing it. Again, I have yet to see a single person in any of the DL threads (haven't ventured into the WDW side) say they won't miss Splash or is celebrating the fact that people are losing a ride they love. There are many people projecting their feelings or assumptions onto others, but I haven't seen anyone dancing on the grave of Splash as many are portraying the people who simply understand *why* the change is happening.

I still find PATF a baffling choice for Splash Mt. In terms of theme, I guess it loosely fits. But the ride itself is an intimidating thrill ride with a scary waterfall and a 40 inch height requirement that excludes many children. It clearly appeals to little girls. They are the primary audience for Princess movies regardless of what adult Disney fans tell you--It's NOT a movie for you, it's for kids. As a fit for Splash Mt ride system, it's poor.

Again, just because you don't find value in the Princess movies and assume they're only for little girls doesn't mean that's true. People of all ages love the Princess films. It's not just girls buying those tickets and making those films so iconic (and profitable).

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False. It's facing the wrong way.

 

[mickEblu]

Understanding the reasons for the change is not the same thing as being mindless saps who don't appreciate what makes Disneyland Disneyland. If I didn't appreciate what Disney parks is capable of doing at their best, I wouldn't have traveled the world to visit all of them. I don't believe I've said that I believe the overlay will be perfect or flawless, simply that I understand why they are doing it. Again, I have yet to see a single person in any of the DL threads (haven't ventured into the WDW side) say they won't miss Splash or is celebrating the fact that people are losing a ride they love. There are many people projecting their feelings or assumptions onto others, but I haven't seen anyone dancing on the grave of Splash as many are portraying this.


Again, just because you don't find value in the Princess movies and assume they're only for little girls doesn't mean that's true. People of all ages love the Princess films. It's not just girls buying those tickets and making those films so iconic (and profitable).

False. It's facing the wrong way.

Any chance they keep the entirety of the queue through the first drop nice and understated? We don’t need a fiberglass figure on the first lift hill or anything like that. And no vocals until after the first drop.


You are an exception.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

"Princess cartoons are not just for little girls" is like saying "Comic books are Graphic Novels for adults." I mean, come on! I've had to admit for decades now that one of my favorite movies is not just an "Historical Drama", but the definitive Chick Flick. But at least I admit it!

 

[PiratesMansion]

Any chance they keep the entirety of the queue through the first drop nice and understated? We don’t need a fiberglass figure on the first lift hill or anything like that. And no vocals on


You are an exception.

I think that there's a decent chance that portion of the attraction will remain relatively unaltered, and nothing about it is specifically tied to SOTS in any way. They're going to have enough to worry about with the indoor portion, and that's where they'll want to focus their budget.