Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

SuddenStorm

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Also, the controversy surrounding SotS is definitely due more to the content of the film and not how Disney has handled the film. It’s been getting protested since its release in the 1940s.

From The Sad Song of the South:

Several critics pounced on the production as if it were a documentary. Based solely on seeing an early draft of the script by Reymond and from complaints by esteemed African American performer Clarence Muse who had been hired as an adviser on the production (but when Reymond ignored his input, Muse left the film), the NAACP condemned the film without seeing it.


Neither the NAACP nor the American Council on Race Relations had any opportunity to review the project before the press screening. Walter White, the executive secretary of the NAACP, telegraphed major newspapers around the country with the following statement:


"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People recognizes in Song of the South remarkable artistic merit in the music and in the combination of living actors and the cartoon technique. It regrets, however, that in an effort neither to offend audiences in the North or South, the production helps to perpetuate a dangerously glorified picture of slavery. Making use of the beautiful Uncle Remus folklore, Song of the South unfortunately gives the impression of an idyllic master-slave relationship which is a distortion of the facts."


That telegram was widely quoted in newspapers and encouraged small groups of picketers to protest at a handful of theaters that were showing the film.


"We want films on Democracy not Slavery" and "Don't prejudice children's minds with films like this" were some of the slogans that decorated the signs of a racially diverse group of protesters who marched outside of the Paramount Theater in downtown Oakland, Calif. The protesters included African Americans and whites, men and women, old and young.


At the film's New York premiere in Times Square, dozens of black and white picketers, including African American servicemen recently returned from fighting in World War II, chanted: "We fought for Uncle Sam, not Uncle Tom." Local chapters of the NAACP called for a total boycott of the film and The National Negro Congress declared that the film "is an insult to the Negro people because it uses offensive dialect; it portrays the Negro as a low, inferior servant; it glorifies slavery" and called on Black people to "run the picture out of the area."


Upon the film's release, groups such as The National Negro Congress, The American Youth for Democracy, The United Negro & Allied Veterans and the American Jewish Council organized racially integrated pickets at theaters in New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Boston, as well as other cities. In New York, Broadway actors such as Kenneth Spencer and Sam Wanamaker joined the picket lines.


Needless to add, most if not all of these protestors never actually saw the film. In retrospect, some historians believe that Walt Disney was just the most visible target that would generate the most publicity for people united against Hollywood producing films that demeaned African Americans and their heritage. Certainly, there were many Hollywood films that were indeed offensive not only in retrospect but at the time of their release.


In a February 1947 interview, printed in The Criterion, Oscar winning African American actress Hattie McDaniel who appeared in the film defended it by saying, "If I had for one moment considered any part of the picture degrading or harmful to my people I would not have appeared therein."


In the same article, James Baskett, who played the role of Uncle Remus, commented, "I believe that certain groups are doing my race more harm in seeking to create dissension than can ever possibly come out of the Song of the South."


The reviews for the film were decidedly mixed, although in general there was high praise for the animation. However, many reviewers, despite liking James Baskett’s Uncle Remus, found the rest of the live-action performances underwhelming with some referring to them as “bores.”


Variety said: "Story of misunderstood Johnny gets away to an ambling start and only picks up when the live Uncle Remus segues into the first cartoon sequence…the rest of the story, including the confused and insufficiently explained estrangement of the parents, overbalances the three cartoon sequences…these cartoon sequences are great stuff."


African American Herman Hill's review in the black newspaper The Pittsburgh Courier stated: "The truly sympathetic handling of the entire production from a racial standpoint is calculated…to prove of estimable good in the furthering of interracial relations."


The review discussed the negative statements made by Ebony magazine and Clarence Muse and found their comments to be "unadulterated hogwash symptomatic of the unfortunate racial neurosis that seems to be gripping so many of our humorless brethren these days."


Song of the South was innovative for its time not only for its blending of live-action and animation (such as Remus lighting Brer Frog’s pipe) but for its depiction of black and white children playing together as equals and a story where the African American characters are wise and caring while the White characters are often cruel, insensitive or dysfunctional. At a time when most Hollywood films showcased African American performers in separate segments that could be deleted when the film was shown in Southern theaters, Walt Disney portrayed a world where everyone lived together.


The last time the film was released theatrically was in 1986, its 40th anniversary, 25 years ago. At that time, it was the highest grossing re-release ever from the Disney Company. Once again, there was no rioting in the streets nor did Disney stock drop.


The fear, of course, is that the appreciation of the film and the works of Harris can be misinterpreted as acceptance of old-fashioned stereotyping. Others point out that understanding and openly discussing the mistakes of the past is the best way to insure a positive future.


One of the major complaints has been that Song of the South is more insidious a film than Gone With the Wind, since it is generally considered a film for children who would not be aware enough to understand it is “just a story.” It is set in a brightly colored, tuneful, romanticized version of the Old South of the Reconstruction with none of the terrors and heartaches that categorized that period including the rise of the Klu Klux Klan.


As one wit described it, it should be called the “Song of the NEVER WAS South”.


In the same 1946 publicity release quoted at the beginning of this article, Walt Disney wrote: “Out of the past of every nation has come its folklore: Simple tales handed down from generation to generation and made immortal by such names as Aesop, the brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Anderson. But no folk tales are better loved than Joel Chandler Harris’ ‘Uncle Remus.’ And if, now in Song of the South we have succeeded in a measure to help perpetuate a priceless literary treasure—my co-workers and I shall, indeed, be very happy.”


As Robert Iger emphasized, don’t expect to see it again…ever.
 

TP2000

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Here's an interesting quote from Valarie Stewart, the son of Nick Stewart, an African American voice actor who portrayed Brer Bear in Song of the South and Splash Mountain and was one of the crows in Dumbo:

"Most people who think the movie is racist have never seen it. I'm doing research to try to figure out why the movie is singled out, and maligned; and why the pioneering, award-winning, actors' importance has been hidden; I'll publish my findings online soon. There's a clear copy of the movie that I share with people who hate it based, not on truth, but on baseless rumors they heard about it. "

She's obviously not up to speed on how things are said now, or how things are done, the poor dear.

Never mind she's the Black daughter of a Black actor from the actual movie the entire topic is based on. She's not sticking to the script. The singing chicken log ride is racist because the movie about the cartoon rabbit based on Black folk tales was racist.

Everything is racist. Everything.

Even singing chicken log rides. But if the theme parks the log rides are in need the ride capacity, then they aren't quite as racist as we once thought. Current Splash Mountain Standby Wait: 75 Minutes.

Coming 2025, or 2026 at the latest! New Log Ride Not Based on Racist Singing Chickens! :rolleyes:
 

TP2000

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I guess some people want kids movies to be historically accurate and depressing.

Wait until you see the new land the youngest Imagineers are working on; Miseryland.

The hip new Miseryland can slot into any Castle park in the world, and it's all based on reality and it's really depressing and sad. Don't worry about clapping your hands or stomping your feet, because none of the music used in Miseryland is catchy. Also, the height requirement for every ride is seven feet tall. And it's your fault.
 

Tamandua

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She's obviously not up to speed on how things are said now, or how things are done, the poor dear.

Never mind she's the Black daughter of a Black actor from the actual movie the entire topic is based on. She's not sticking to the script. The singing chicken log ride is racist because the movie about the cartoon rabbit based on Black folk tales was racist.

Everything is racist. Everything.

Even singing chicken log rides. But if the theme parks the log rides are in need the ride capacity, then they aren't quite as racist as we once thought. Current Splash Mountain Standby Wait: 75 Minutes.

Coming 2025, or 2026 at the latest! New Log Ride Not Based on Racist Singing Chickens! :rolleyes:
Valarie is a man (not to be confused with Valerie, a girl's name). Go directly to pronoun jail.
 

TP2000

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Valarie is a man (not to be confused with Valerie, a girl's name). Go directly to pronoun jail.

Ah, I should have known. I lived in the Deep South for a few years, and knew quite a few men with what Californian's would consider to be funny girls names.

I knew a Riley, a Dixon and a Khaki. All were men, two were Black, one white. That's just how it's done there. Probably because it's racist.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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I don’t think anyone is arguing that Walt Disney purposefully made a racist movie. I have no doubts that he believed the portrayal of 19th century African Americans in SotS were positive and harmless. The way we talk about race and racism in this country as a society has greatly evolved and shifted since the 30s and 40s though, and I’m not sure if the breakdown/arguments of arguably racist messages in SotS according to today’s way of discussing race was present during the 30s and 40s.

Again, I don’t believe Walt Disney had ill intent. It’s like when folks think it’s harmless to say something like “I don’t see color” when actually that statement is problematic.
Thank you for this.

As someone older, I will say we in corporate America in the 80s and 90s were trained by trainers of color to not "see" color. So, it worked to some degree. Now we can undo that. But it takes time and patience. And you @raven24 seem to show lots of it. Bless you for your perseverance!
 

mickEblu

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Thank you for this.

As someone older, I will say we in corporate America in the 80s and 90s were trained by trainers of color to not "see" color. So, it worked to some degree. Now we can undo that. But it takes time and patience. And you @raven24 seem to show lots of it. Bless you for your perseverance!

This whole “don’t see color” thing is just more semantics. When someone says that, their intent is good. It doesn’t mean that they re blind or don’t recognize someone’s race. It means they see it but it doesn’t have an impact on their relationship with that person. People get caught up on some weird things these days.
 

Californian Elitist

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Thank you for this.

As someone older, I will say we in corporate America in the 80s and 90s were trained by trainers of color to not "see" color. So, it worked to some degree. Now we can undo that. But it takes time and patience. And you @raven24 seem to show lots of it. Bless you for your perseverance!
Thank you for actually being willing to understand and listen to the communities that are most affected by things like those statements. It’s greatly appreciated. We need more people like you, seriously. You make things less exhausting.
 

Californian Elitist

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"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

How out of touch was that guy?! Get with the times, Marty!!! Your daughters should FIRST and FOREMOST be seen as black! Thank God nobody listened to that loser.
Y’all love to quote you some King, huh?😂

You’re using that quote out of context regarding this topic. That quote has no correlation.
 

Californian Elitist

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Why? What’s wrong with it? Specifically with my explanation of it.
It was specifically the “people get caught up on some weird things these days” comment that made me pause. Maybe I misunderstood, but this sounds dismissive of the issues some have with that statement and the implications (as you stated, race doesn’t matter, I love you as a human, etc.). So before I say anything else, what did you mean when you said “people get caught up on some weird things these days?”
 

Californian Elitist

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Honestly, if you want to - go for it...

But otherwise don't feel that you need to waste your time or energy on these lot.

You give so much already.
Thank you, love. It’s exhausting sometimes and I do pick and choose who I want to go back and forth with. Some folks (not specifically here, but in general) are a waste of time.
 

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