Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Haters are gonna say this video is "problematic" too. Only thing "problematic" about Ernest is we never got that Ernest meets Herbie crossover. In honor of the greatest log flume ever made.......let's go back to the beginning!! When everyone was proud of the ride and not fake self righteous over how "non inclusive" it is. Seems like everyone there feels inclusive and enjoy it. I dunno maybe its me.

THE OPENING OF SPLASH MOUNTAIN. ******WARNING: VIDEO MAY CONTAIN MACRO AND MICRO AGGRESSIONS FOR HATERZ*******

 
Roger_the_pianist

Roger_the_pianist

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Well a tv special like that isn't going to bring up protests from the NAACP, which happened at the premiére of the movie and the ride.

Also: Ernest. What the heck were they even promoting with that.

I also don't think it can stand up that Splash Mountain is *different* from the film. Just because the ride deals with animated sequences? The animated sequences are a minstrel show. The voices of the characters are in a stereotypical dialect. Even the nonsense lyric of Zip-a-dee-doo-dah is likely a reference to The Ole Zip ****, the original racist lyrics to what became Turkey in the Straw.

I think Disney is making a timely call here. If I had a time traveling DaLorean I would go back and tell Tony Baxter to not do it - maybe just make a log flume version of America Sings with no Br'er characters. Heck, I would go back and tell Walt to not make the film. He would certainly believe I was from the future.

The only thing that makes me want to call modern Disney's bluff is the fact that the ride is still open.
 
Roger_the_pianist

Roger_the_pianist

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www.nytimes.com

Her Prince Has Come. Critics, Too. (Published 2009)

Disney is coming out with its first major black heroine later this year in "The Frog and the Princess," but to the dismay of Disney executives, the film is attracting chatter of an uglier nature.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

This is a New York Times article about some hesitancy before Princess and the Frog was released. But it conveys that the backlash over the backlash was stronger.
 
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Professortango1

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Roger_the_pianist said:
Well a tv special like that isn't going to bring up protests from the NAACP, which happened at the premiére of the movie and the ride.

Also: Ernest. What the heck were they even promoting with that.

I also don't think it can stand up that Splash Mountain is *different* from the film. Just because the ride deals with animated sequences? The animated sequences are a minstrel show. The voices of the characters are in a stereotypical dialect. Even the nonsense lyric of Zip-a-dee-doo-dah is likely a reference to The Ole Zip ****, the original racist lyrics to what became Turkey in the Straw.

I think Disney is making a timely call here. If I had a time traveling DaLorean I would go back and tell Tony Baxter to not do it - maybe just make a log flume version of America Sings with no Br'er characters. Heck, I would go back and tell Walt to not make the film. He would certainly believe I was from the future.

The only thing that makes me want to call modern Disney's bluff is the fact that the ride is still open.
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They spoke as they would have in that time period. And at least they were portrayed by black actors, as opposed to Dumbo.

All in all, Dumbo calls black people apes; claims they can't read, write, or manage money; and has a literal minstrel show character and Disney still sells the film and has rides built to celebrate it.
 
brb1006

brb1006

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Roger_the_pianist said:
Well a tv special like that isn't going to bring up protests from the NAACP, which happened at the premiére of the movie and the ride.

Also: Ernest. What the heck were they even promoting with that.

I also don't think it can stand up that Splash Mountain is *different* from the film. Just because the ride deals with animated sequences? The animated sequences are a minstrel show. The voices of the characters are in a stereotypical dialect. Even the nonsense lyric of Zip-a-dee-doo-dah is likely a reference to The Ole Zip ****, the original racist lyrics to what became Turkey in the Straw.

I think Disney is making a timely call here. If I had a time traveling DaLorean I would go back and tell Tony Baxter to not do it - maybe just make a log flume version of America Sings with no Br'er characters. Heck, I would go back and tell Walt to not make the film. He would certainly believe I was from the future.

The only thing that makes me want to call modern Disney's bluff is the fact that the ride is still open.
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Keep in mind that Ernest was huge back in the day.
 
brb1006

brb1006

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Professortango1 said:
They spoke as they would have in that time period. And at least they were portrayed by black actors, as opposed to Dumbo.

All in all, Dumbo calls black people apes; claims they can't read, write, or manage money; and has a literal minstrel show character and Disney still sells the film and has rides built to celebrate it.
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Heck the crows actually appeared in an episode of House of Mouse where they actually brought in black voice actors to voice one of them.
 
Roger_the_pianist

Roger_the_pianist

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The dialects in Song of the South and Splash Moutain are wildly exaggerated, and the source material of Joel Chandler Harris' writings has been criticized as also over the top and holding up stereotypes. It's not an accurate depiction of how people talked *back then*, it's a tool to negate an entire race's intelligence.
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Roger_the_pianist said:
The dialects in Song of the South and Splash Moutain are wildly exaggerated, and the source material of Joel Chandler Harris' writings has been criticized as also over the top and holding up stereotypes. It's not an accurate depiction of how people talked *back then*, it's a tool to negate an entire race's intelligence.
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1. no its not. 2. so by that logic the characteristics of people from Kansas are over the top stereotypes so we should consider Wizard of Oz Problematic too since its not an "accurate depiction of how people talked back then".
3. who the hell looks to a fantasy movie and ride for accurate depictions of how people talked. its called "suspension of disbelief" pal.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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Brer Panther said:
You can talk about how racist Song of the South is all you want (I'm not going to disagree, but the ride and the movie are separate things), but the idea that Disney is doing this because they're legitimately concerned about somebody being uncomfortable with the ride's existence is complete bullcrap.
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I agree with the sentiment but I wouldn’t call SotS racist. I would just say it may be historically inaccurate. With that said, I’m not sure as I was not there. Its plausible that the servants working on the plantation were happy to not be slaves anymore even if life was still far from perfect.
 

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