Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Rich T said:
That makes no sense. The animated segments are, in fact, clips from the movie (and the animated sequences contain some of the most offensive moments). The entire ride score is taken from the film, and the live-action song scores are heard in the queue. Quotes from the live action scenes are posted in the queue.

You can say the ride’s creators did everything possible to remove the offensive elements of the film and focus on tbe positive, but to say the ride contains no Song of the South references, and suggesting that the animated characters are not references to the movie is just not true.

Song of the South is film history and Disney history. Splash Mountain is based entirely on the characters and plots from the movie’s animated sequences, and without those scenes there’s no functioning movie. The two sides are interwoven, and in tbe finale the animated characters enter the live action world to play with Remus, the kids and their dog.

Defend Splash Mountain because its intent is to save and celebrate the artistry and joyful elements of a problematic movie, but please don’t say the ride contains no SotS references, because... yes, it does.

If Mary Poppins was, for some reason, declared problematic (there’s a book-based reason that could conceivably happen) and some people wanted the Penguins removed from the parks, you could say the Penguins themselves are not offensive in any way, but you couldn’t say their existence is not a reference to Mary Poppins.
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It makes perfect sense. The characters in and of themselves are not representations of the movie. For one, most people have never seen the movie so they only know the characters from the amazing ride. That's number 1. The ride itself does not follow the animated segment exactly. There is no waterall in the movie he gets thrown off despite that he does get thrown into a priar patch. None of the America sings characters are in the movie and most of the amazing atmosphere of the ride comes from those characters. There is no grand finale song in the movie with all these characters on a boat singing zipp-a-dee-doo-dah. The ride took the characters and put them in a ride to tell the story the imagineers wanted to tell of a mountain and all the critters in it instead of telling the story of the animated segment. That's the fact of the matter.
 
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Rich T

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
It makes perfect sense. The characters in and of themselves are not representations of the movie. For one, most people have never seen the movie so they only know the characters from the amazing ride. That's number 1. The ride itself does not follow the animated segment exactly. There is no waterall in the movie he gets thrown off despite that he does get thrown into a priar patch. None of the America sings characters are in the movie and most of the amazing atmosphere of the ride comes from those characters. There is no grand finale song in the movie with all these characters on a boat singing zipp-a-dee-doo-dah. The ride took characters and put them in a ride to tell the story the imagineers wanted to tell instead of a mountain and all the critters in it instead of telling the story of the animated segment. That's the fact of the matter.
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You keep ignoring the basic truth. The “story the Imagineers wanted to tell” is taken from the stories in Song of the South.

The ride and the main characters are all references to the movie. The entire score is from the movie, and the queue includes the sharecropper songs.

Many of us have had our kids ask us what movie Splash’s Brer Rabbit, Fox and Bear come from. I told my kids, I showed them the movie and we paused it many times to discuss what was wrong with it (besides it being boring).

If your kids asked you what movie Disney’s Brer Rabbit, Brer Fox and Brer Bear came from...,

The answer is “Song of the South.”

Jeopardy answer: “This controversial movie provided the music, main characters and story for a popular log flume ride at Disneyland and Walt Disney World.”

The question: “What is Song of the South?”
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Rich T said:
You keep ignoring the basic truth. The “story the Imagineers wanted to tell” is taken from the stories in Song of the South.

The ride and the main characters are all references to the movie. The entire score is from the movie, and the queue includes the sharecropper songs.

Many of us have had our kids ask us what movie Splash’s Brer Rabbit, Fox and Bear come from. I told my kids, I showed them the movie and we paused it many times to discuss what was wrong with it (besides it being boring).

If your kids asked you what movie Disney’s Brer Rabbit, Brer Fox and Brer Bear came from...,

The answer is “Song of the South.”

Jeopardy answer: “This controversial movie provided the music, main characters and story for a popular log flume ride at Disneyland and Walt Disney World.”

The question: “What is Song of the South?”
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No its not. the story they are telling comes from the actual tale of Br'er Rabbit that existed before the movie. Sure they are using the movie designs but you are ignoring it does not follow the animated story exactly i.e. no tar baby on the ride.
 
Rich T

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
No its not. the story they are telling comes from the actual tale of Br'er Rabbit that existed before the movie. Sure they are using the movie designs but you are ignoring it does not follow the animated story exactly i.e. no tar baby on the ride.
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You keep saying Splash Mtn. does not reference Song of the South. That is nonsense. All of the tales from the animated movie are combined into the ride story. The fact that they tweaked it and added material does not change its history. It references Song of the South.

Next will you be claiming the Alice ride doesn’t reference the movie because the scenes are rearranged and it has a different ending? And—gasp—it all started with a book, anyway?

The Mr. Toad section of Ichabod and Mr. Toad contains no scenes of Toad actually driving a car, and it certainly has no hell scene. And it’s based on a book. But would you deny the ride “references” the movie?
 
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Rich T said:
You keep saying Splash Mtn. Does not reference Song of the South. That is nonsense. All of the tales from tbe animated movie are combined into the ride story. The fact that they tweaked it and added material dies nit change its history. It references Song of the South.

Next will you be claiming the Alice ride doesn’t reference the movie because the scenes are rearranged and it has a different ending? And—gasp—it all started with a book, anyway?

The Mr. Toad section of Ichabod and Mr. Toad contains no scenes of Toad actually driving a car, and it certainly has no hell scene. And it’s based on a book. But would you deny the ride “references” the movie?
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Its not a direct reference to the movie. the characters and songs come from it sure but that is as far as it goes. the two are soo far removed from each other. I will die on this sword all day.
 
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josh2000

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
Its not a direct reference to the movie. the characters and songs come from it sure but that is as far as it goes. the two are soo far removed from each other. I will die on this sword all day.
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Then we have finally arrived at the root of the situation. The characters and songs come from the movie. That's why the ride is being rethemed. Regardless of if it's a direct reference it is still connected enough to cause discomfort for Disney. That's how it is.

People can certainly disagree with Disney's decision all they want but people in this thread are pretending that they don't understand Disney's decision. When it's incredibly simple to understand.
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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josh2000 said:
Then we have finally arrived at the root of the situation. The characters and songs come from the movie. That's why the ride is being rethemed. Regardless of if it's a direct reference it is still connected enough to cause discomfort for Disney. That's how it is.

People can certainly disagree with Disney's decision all they want but people in this thread are pretending that they don't understand Disney's decision. When it's incredibly simple to understand.
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I understand and I think its a stupid decision for the reasons I have previously stated. There is nothing problematic about Splash Mountain. At all.
 
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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josh2000 said:
Then we have finally arrived at the root of the situation. The characters and songs come from the movie. That's why the ride is being rethemed. Regardless of if it's a direct reference it is still connected enough to cause discomfort for Disney. That's how it is.

People can certainly disagree with Disney's decision all they want but people in this thread are pretending that they don't understand Disney's decision. When it's incredibly simple to understand.
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But its not causing discomfort for Disney or the ride would not still be open right now on both coasts and the merchandise would not be available for sale. Gina Carano made Disney uncomfortable and now you can't find her Star Wars character's merchandise anywhere. That is how fast Disney can shut things down. Disneyworld was closed for months, Disneyland over a year, they could have easily not have Splash re-open with either parks. but they are open because Disney is full of doo-doo.
 
josh2000

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
But its not causing discomfort for Disney or the ride would not still be open right now on both coasts and the merchandise would not be available for sale. Gina Carano made Disney uncomfortable and now you can't find her Star Wars character's merchandise anywhere. That is how fast Disney can shut things down. Disneyworld was closed for months, Disneyland over a year, they could have easily not have Splash re-open with either parks. but they are open because Disney is full of doo-doo.
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You definitely have a point about Gina.

I recall hearing people say that Splash is still open because of operational reasons. At least during the peak of the pandemic, Disney wanted as many high-capacity attractions open as possible to keep people from lingering around each other outside.

I don't know for sure if that's true or not or where I heard it but it always made sense to me.
 
josh2000

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST said:
But its not causing discomfort for Disney or the ride would not still be open right now on both coasts and the merchandise would not be available for sale.
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I think that the steps Disney have taken to distance themselves from the current version of the ride (ex. removing Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah from the park audio loop) serves as evidence of the discomfort I mentioned.
 
PiratesMansion

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mickEblu said:
Why would they leave “Song of the South” in the description for the ride at WDW and not DL? They re just so damn genuine. Pandering to the far left in California but keeping the old description in Florida.
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Disneyland has never really had descriptions of ANY their rides on their maps. Or at least, not recently. Even my oldest DL map from 1996 doesn't have them.

Whereas WDW, presumably because tourists, has always had incredibly phoned-in descriptors.
 

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