Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[Californian Elitist]

Just to be clear, I have said all along that there is nothing wrong with liking Splash Mountain or even wanting it to stay. I even went so far as to suggest that people who like Splash Mountain aren't even racist, and the desire to keep it is (mostly) not coming from a place of hatred.

@Brer Panther keeps insisting this is a 'you're either with us or against us' moment in theme park fandom. And that 'no true Disneylander' would ever stand idly by and watch 'the internet' tear down one of the greatest theme park rides ever envisioned by Walt Disney (20 years after he died). This insistence that, if you're not standing by with torches and pitchforks to burn down some guy's twitter account, you're part of the problem, is what I am mostly taking offense at now.

Not only are these arguments based out of nothing but logical fallacy, it cheapens and hurts the overall message of inclusion being sought after by Disney. It's almost as if it's a purposeful attempt to make sure Splash Mountain's removal is in vain.

For sure. Some people are making things up due to frustration.

The inclusion part though... That’s just something Disney mentioned for the masses. They most likely don’t really care about inclusion at all, but that’s another topic.

 

[EagleScout610]

Maybe El Super (can’t remember), but I know I’ve never condemned you for wanting to see Splash stay (how could I when I also want it to stay?) and I don’t think Eagle Scout has either.

You're mostly making things up here.

I have not. As a Splash fan myself I understand being upset by the ride closing but I also understand the whole Song Of the South deal and understand that after last year Splash's death clock had begun to tick faster

 

[brb1006]

Uncle Remus face character for the parks

Actually Disney already created a walkaround version of Uncle Remus at the Disney Parks (but for a very brief period). For evidence, here's a video of the "Disneyland Christmas Parade" taken sometime between 1978 - 1983 where Uncle Remus is spotted riding with Brer Rabbit on a wagon. (Skip to 19:52 mark where the "Song of The South" section is present). I believe this was taken in 1980 since Herbie was present to promote "Herbie Goes Bananas".


Screenshots encase the video gets deleted.

Apparently this was one of his only appearances the Disney Parks.

 

[el_super]

The inclusion part though... That’s just something Disney mentioned for the masses. They most likely don’t really care about inclusion at all, but that’s another topic.

I know it's slightly off topic (maybe?) but I don't doubt for a second that some people within the company really do care. D'amaro and Iger, especially, have been making it a priority and hosting internal townhall meetings and putting their face out there. It's especially telling for Iger, as he keeps insisting that he doesn't want to run for office and really has nothing to gain by doing so. Since most of these are internal, for CMs only, it's not something that they can really use for PR points either. I heard the last one with Iger and Awkafina, regarding Asian American representation in the media, was actually really good.

The real question though is how it all gets implemented within Disney, and in a company so big, that's usually hard to figure out. Some people will be really passionate about it, and others will recoil at the sound of the word inclusion. D'amaro is right in indicating the scale and size of this cultural change is huge within Disney, so it's easy to equate it with another parks project on a similar scale: it's wondering if we will get Walt's vision of EPCOT, or Card Walker's Epcot©.

 

[Sailor310]

I hope they make it a little less wet if/when they redo it.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Actually Disney already created a walkaround version of Uncle Remus at the Disney Parks (but for a very brief period). For evidence, here's a video of the "Disneyland Christmas Parade" taken sometime between 1978 - 1983 where Uncle Remus is spotted riding with Brer Rabbit on a wagon. (Skip to 19:52 mark where the "Song of The South" section is present). I believe this was taken in 1980 since Herbie was present to promote "Herbie Goes Bananas".


Screenshots encase the video gets deleted.

Apparently this was one of his only appearances the Disney Parks.

There he is! In the flesh. I think it's cool that they made Brer Rabbit the proper size compared to Uncle Remus and he isn't just an enormous costumed character.

 

[Too Many Hats]

I hope they make it a little less wet if/when they redo it.

Me too. I typically don’t mind getting wet or even soaked on a water ride. But in order for it to be any fun, it has to happen somewhat gradually over the course of the ride. Disneyland’s Splash is less fun because it happens all at once, in the dark, in the form of buckets of water being dunked on you. Ugh.

 

[CaptinEO]

Me too. I typically don’t mind getting wet or even soaked on a water ride. But in order for it to be any fun, it has to happen somewhat gradually over the course of the ride. Disneyland’s Splash is less fun because it happens all at once, in the dark, in the form of buckets of water being dunked on you. Ugh.

But to me that is the fun, its hilarious and always makes me laugh.

 

[Brer Panther]

OH OK... so this isn't some random people on the internet's fault... it's the media.

Yeah, they're at fault, too. Chambers was hardly the first guy to come up with the idea of a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain, so why did he get so much publicity over his idea?

You don't have to support the retheme (whatever that means to you), but you need to stop with the whacked out conspiracy theories. Those are going to continue getting called out.

Disney announced a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain (despite the fact that they ignored the film for years and brushed it off as a flop) after people demanded a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain. Forgive me for not assuming it's just a coincidence.

Maybe El Super (can’t remember), but I know I’ve never condemned you for wanting to see Splash stay (how could I when I also want it to stay?) and I don’t think Eagle Scout has either.

You're mostly making things up here.

How about when I posted my idea for a separate Princess and the Frog ride that didn't replace Splash Mountain and everyone went "nope, sorry, Splash Mountain still has to go"? I recall someone (I think in another thread) claiming that I couldn't see that Splash Mountain was racist because of my "white privilege" or whatever. You all immediately brush off my suggesting that this is because of the petitions as "whacked out conspiracy theories". We have no proof that Disney's telling the truth about the idea already being in the works for a year.

And you people always deliver these arguments in the same condescending, "you're wrong for thinking this way" fashion.

@Brer Panther keeps insisting this is a 'you're either with us or against us' moment in theme park fandom. And that 'no true Disneylander' would ever stand idly by and watch 'the internet' tear down one of the greatest theme park rides ever. This insistence that, if you're not standing by with torches and pitchforks to burn down some guy's twitter account, you're part of the problem, is what I am mostly taking offense at now.

Not only are these arguments based out of nothing but logical fallacy, it cheapens and hurts the overall message of inclusion being sought after by Disney. It's almost as if it's a purposeful attempt to make sure Splash Mountain's removal is in vain.

I am not suggesting that we lynch Frederick Chambers. But it strikes me as hypocritical that you would claim to like Splash Mountain. And from this very site, Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook, I can tell you that this is indeed a "you're either with us or against us" movement. There's lots of arguing, feuding, and insulting about Splash Mountain. Threads about this and the Jungle Cruise changes are hard to read because they're just page after page of "This isn't racist!" "Yes it is, and if you don't see how it's racist, you're an idiot!" over and over again.

The inclusion part though... That’s just something Disney mentioned for the masses. They most likely don’t really care about inclusion at all, but that’s another topic.

I don't believe for a second that Disney is doing this because they're legitimately concerned that somebody might find Splash Mountain offensive. Bob Iger's Disney is a company that filmed a movie near a concentration camp and launched a smear campaign against a puppeteer because they didn't want to admit that they fired him because they couldn't handle his criticisms of the way they were handling the Muppets franchise.

 

[EagleScout610]

Yeah, they're at fault, too. Chambers was hardly the first guy to come up with the idea of a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain, so why did he get so much publicity over his idea?

Disney announced a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain (despite the fact that they ignored the film for years and brushed it off as a flop) after people demanded a Princess and the Frog retheme of Splash Mountain. Forgive me for not assuming it's just a coincidence.

How about when I posted my idea for a separate Princess and the Frog ride that didn't replace Splash Mountain and everyone went "nope, sorry, Splash Mountain still has to go"? I recall someone (I think in another thread) claiming that I couldn't see that Splash Mountain was racist because of my "white privilege" or whatever. You all immediately brush off my suggesting that this is because of the petitions as "whacked out conspiracy theories". We have no proof that Disney's telling the truth about the idea already being in the works for a year.

And you people always deliver these arguments in the same condescending, "you're wrong for thinking this way" fashion.

I am not suggesting that we lynch Frederick Chambers. But it strikes me as hypocritical that you would claim to like Splash Mountain. And from this very site, Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook, I can tell you that this is indeed a "you're either with us or against us" movement. There's lots of arguing, feuding, and insulting about Splash Mountain. Threads about this and the Jungle Cruise changes are hard to read because they're just page after page of "This isn't racist!" "Yes it is, and if you don't see how it's racist, you're an idiot!" over and over again.

I don't believe for a second that Disney is doing this because they're legitimately concerned that somebody might find Splash Mountain offensive. Bob Iger's Disney is a company that filmed a movie near a concentration camp and launched a smear campaign against a puppeteer because they didn't want to admit that they fired him because they couldn't handle his criticisms of the way they were handling the Muppets franchise.

1. Stop. With. The. Chambers. Hate.

2. Do you not remember how many things were called to be changed around this time last year? It was only a matter of time before they got Song. Also in case you haven't noticed, Disney (although not performing as well as hoped), didn't toss PatF into a vault to never be seen again. Think about some of the other films that underperformed, Home on the Range for example. Princess and the Frog is extremely popular compared to those.

3. We never said we hated the idea of a separate PatF attraction. We were saying that even if they did build a separate ride they'd still axe Splash BECAUSE. OF. ITS. MATERIAL. The way you were, and still are behaving, is under the impression that simply building a PATF ride will save Splash

4. No it's not. Many of us are fans of Splash and are sad to see it go, but we understand why. That's why we keep explaining it to you.

5. Iger has also been after Song for years. It makes sense he'd go after it now

 

[Californian Elitist]

How about when I posted my idea for a separate Princess and the Frog ride that didn't replace Splash Mountain and everyone went "nope, sorry, Splash Mountain still has to go"? I recall someone (I think in another thread) claiming that I couldn't see that Splash Mountain was racist because of my "white privilege" or whatever. You all immediately brush off my suggesting that this is because of the petitions as "whacked out conspiracy theories". We have no proof that Disney's telling the truth about the idea already being in the works for a year.


I don't believe for a second that Disney is doing this because they're legitimately concerned that somebody might find Splash Mountain offensive. Bob Iger's Disney is a company that filmed a movie near a concentration camp and launched a smear campaign against a puppeteer because they didn't want to admit that they fired him because they couldn't handle his criticisms of the way they were handling the Muppets franchise.

Not agreeing with your idea doesn’t equate to condemning you for wishing for Splash to stay.

Disney is getting rid of Splash because they don’t to be accused of supporting racism.

 

[Brer Panther]

1. Stop. With. The. Chambers. Hate.

2. Do you not remember how many things were called to be changed around this time last year? It was only a matter of time before they got Song

3. We never said we hated the idea of a separate PatF attraction. We were saying that even if they did build a separate ride they'd still axe Splash BECAUSE. OF. ITS. MATERIAL.

4. No it's not. Many of us are fans of Splash and are sad to see it go, but we understand why. That's why we keep explaining it to you.

5. Iger has also been after Song for years. It makes sense he'd go after it now

You've thrown these exact arguments are me multiple times in this thread. I get it, you think Chambers is completely innocent and that Song of the South existing taints Splash Mountain. And is the punctuating. For. Emphisas. Supposed to make you sound threatening? Do you think it'll "convince me" that you're right about it just being a coincidence that Disney is doing something that Chambers suggested and that retheming Splash Mountain is the right thing to do? I wasn't even bashing Chambers there, I was criticizing the media for making such a huge deal about his idea.

And thanks for not addressing any of the other things I brought up (the amount of arguing that this retheme has caused, your condescending manner of replying to me, Bob Iger's Disney being a very sleazy company that has done several unacceptable things). I really appreciate that.

 

[EagleScout610]

I get it, you think that Song of the South existing taints Splash Mountain.

That's how this works

 

[Brer Panther]

Not agreeing with your idea doesn’t equate to condemning you for wishing for Splash to stay.

I remember one of the very first replies I got to my idea being "Splash Mountain still has to go." Word-for-word. That's not condemning me for wishing for Splash Mountain to stay?

Disney is getting rid of Splash because they don’t to be accused of supporting racism.

Yes, I know that. But y'know what's funny? Despite the fact that Splash Mountain having characters that debuted in Song of the South being a reasonably well-known fact for years and Song of the South being a racist movie also being reasonably well-known for years, the claims that Splash Mountain existing equals Disney supporting racism didn't start until June 2020. I don't recall seeing anyone talk about how Splash Mountain was racist despite the fact that none of the racist things about Song of the South are featured in the ride in 2019.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I remember one of the very first replies I got to my idea being "Splash Mountain still has to go." Word-for-word. That's not condemning me for wishing for Splash Mountain to stay?

Yes, I know that. But y'know what's funny? Despite the fact that Splash Mountain having characters that debuted in Song of the South being a reasonably well-known fact for years and Song of the South being a racist movie also being reasonably well-known for years, the claims that Splash Mountain existing equals Disney supporting racism didn't start until June 2020. I don't recall seeing anyone talk about how Splash Mountain was racist despite the fact that none of the racist things about Song of the South are featured in the ride in 2019.

No, that’s NOT condemning you for wishing Splash to stay. It’s an attempt for you to understand that any idea where Splash stays is not an option for Disney and therefore it still must go. That’s all that was.

Again, Splash isn’t racist but it’s based on SotS, which is racist, hence the problem.

 

[Brer Panther]

Again, Splash isn’t racist but it’s based on SotS, which is racist, hence the problem.

Peter Pan is racist too, just sayin'.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I disagree that Song of the South is racists.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Actually Disney already created a walkaround version of Uncle Remus at the Disney Parks (but for a very brief period). For evidence, here's a video of the "Disneyland Christmas Parade" taken sometime between 1978 - 1983 where Uncle Remus is spotted riding with Brer Rabbit on a wagon. (Skip to 19:52 mark where the "Song of The South" section is present). I believe this was taken in 1980 since Herbie was present to promote "Herbie Goes Bananas".


Screenshots encase the video gets deleted.

Apparently this was one of his only appearances the Disney Parks.

Song of the South was also re-released to theaters in 1980.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Aw my post slandering anti-Splashers got deleted.

 

[_caleb]

I’ve said it before, but I’m truly sorry for those of you who are so sad to see the Song of the South characters go. It can be very difficult to lose things that you love.