Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[Brer Panther]

1)They announced this with no active development

That, if nothing else, was definitely in response to those that were demanding it.

 

[CaptinEO]

Using just the Mickey things as an example: by that logic, they would have only done those things to promote Runaway Railway. But they didn't do those things to promote/justify MMRR. They already existed.

They were not built to promote anything Mickey related that was being done in the park or any Mickey feature film. They just happened.

It's much, much cheaper to just do those things from scratch than to insist on tying them to something. Why would a company only do that so they can justify spending millions of money? They could have done instagrammable Tiana sweets in 2009 or any year thereafter. They could have done all of those Pixar Fest treats and even kept the Festival and fireworks show without Pixar Pier becoming a thing.

There's literally nothing stopping them from making instagrammable food about anything. Tokyo does it all. the. time. That the US parks are lazier and/or less skilled about it doesn't mean that they can't.

I agree with you. The current company thinks promotion requires bad ride overlays though, hence Pixar Pier and Guardians.

 

[_caleb]

That, if nothing else, was definitely in response to those that were demanding it.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I agree with you. The current company thinks promotion requires bad ride overlays though, hence Pixar Pier and Guardians.

But that doesn't necessarily mean they need a food push.

When the cupcakes became "Belle's Vanilla Cupcake" and "Elsa's Blue Monstrosity" or whatever a few years ago, they did that without building any significant attraction or experience. They don't need to spend millions more on a ride overlay to justify it when just making the instagrammable snacks without doing anything is much cheaper and probably sells about the same amount of food/merch. They can still probably make a shiny Disney Parks Blog post out of it and garner interest that way.

Disney may be all IP all the time, but even they get that it's much cheaper to do the instagrammable food without spending millions on ride overlays. Hence, it's not a legitimate reason for them deciding to change Splash/Pixar Pier.

 

[CaptinEO]

But that doesn't necessarily mean they need a food push.

When the cupcake's became "Belle's Vanilla Cupcake" and "Elsa's Blue Monstrosity" or whatever a few years ago, they did that without building any significant attraction or experience. They don't need to spend millions more on a ride overlay to justify it when just making the instagrammable snacks without doing anything is much cheaper and probably sells about the same amount of food/merch. They can still probably make a shiny Disney Parks Blog post out of it and garner interest that way.

Disney may be all IP all the time, but even they get that it's much cheaper to do the instagrammable food without spending millions on ride overlays. Hence, it's not a legitimate reason for them deciding to change Splash/Pixar Pier.

I mean TP literally talked to someone who is in the know on this and I was just agreeing I see the point of this insider.

Maybe "angry dogs" and "jack jack cookie yummy" do better sales for the park than random food items with no rides attached to them? I really don't know. Disney seems to think its a good idea.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I mean TP literally talked to someone who is in the know on this and I was just agreeing I see the point of this insider.

Maybe "angry dogs" and "jack jack cookie yummy" do better sales for the park than random food items with no rides attached to them? I really don't know. Disney seems to think its a good idea.

Just because he said it doesn't make it true.

No one here-not even people's sources-is always right.

To me the reason this is all happening could not be more transparent: Disney simply does not want to be in the SOTS business in any capacity. Sure, there are attractive synergy opportunities as an additional perk, but that is not the primary reason. Not in this case, anyway.

But people are twisting themselves (and/or their arguments) into knots to insist it simply must be something else even though the answer is staring everyone in the face.

That's my take. Obviously not everyone will agree but to me it couldn't be clearer.

 

[castleparker]

Just because he said it doesn't make it true.

No one here-not even people's sources-is always right.

To me the reason this is all happening could not be more transparent: Disney simply does not want to be in the SOTS business in any capacity. Sure, there are attractive synergy opportunities an additional perk, but that is not the primary reason. Not in this case, anyway.

But people are twisting themselves (and/or their arguments) into knots to insist it simply must be something else even though the answer is staring everyone in the face.

That's my take. Obviously not everyone will agree but to me it couldn't be clearer.

I'm sure there are a variety of factors, but I think this take is closest to the truth. The world continues to change, and a theme park of all places is under no requirement to continue to reflect the mistakes of the past.

 

[Rich T]

They never said that directly no but their behavior towards Song/Splash showed it

Their behavior towards Splash 1.0 was inevitable. There is no way a ride themed to Song of the South could have continued much longer. I’m amazed it wasn’t rethemed 20 years ago to Villain Mountain or something.

The only time I can remember Disney publicly stating they were correcting a mistake was when Iger came right out and said DCA 1.0 sucked eggs (not quite in those exact words).

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

I think some of you are making up things. I don’t believe Disney has ever made a public announcement stating that Splash was “racist” and/or “problematic.” Correct me if I’m wrong.

The Imagineering Story used the word "problematic" if that counts.

 

[Rich T]

I just had a (debatably) BRILLIANT idea.

I think PatF is a perfect fit for Splash, but if they needed an alternate retheme idea...

Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey.

“SHADOW!!! SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!”

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Along with an Uncle Remus Face Character, they can bring back Aunt Jemima.

Classic, beautiful, wonderful, perfect Patriarchal Disneyland. The reason Time Machines should be invented, to be honest.

Some of this post was sarcastic. Mainly the pre-Time Travel stuff.

 

[Rich T]

Classic, beautiful, wonderful, perfect Patriarchal Disneyland. The reason Time Machines should be invented, to be honest.

Some of this post was sarcastic. Mainly the pre-Time Travel stuff.

Back when Man had a dream, and that was the start. And he made modern miracles. With Molecules. For Man.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

And pancakes!

 

[Californian Elitist]

Aunt Jemima can stay away, too. I don’t want to see any mammy or slave face character in the parks.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The Imagineering Story used the word "problematic" if that counts.

I should have mentioned that I was specifically referring to the Disney Parks Blog articles. Sorry about that.

 

[_caleb]

Racism isn’t an essential part of the Disney experience.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Racism isn’t an essential part of the Disney experience.

Ya think?

 

[_caleb]

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Ya think?

Ooh, am I Aunt May in this scenario? Fun!

 

[Brer Panther]

I gotta say, reading this thread is much easier when you don't click the "Show ignored content" button.

The instagrammable food narrative has no credibility whatsoever (nor does the "it was all one person on Twitter" narrative, incidentally).

What's stopping them from making instagrammable food literally right now to whatever they want?

Neither instagrammable food or one person's opinion on Twitter is going to be a reason to spend millions of dollars on a ride redo.

Yeah, I doubt the idea really stems simply from them wanting to make Instagrammable food. They don't need to retheme Splash Mountain to do that.

@Brer Panther

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You guys really don't get it. If Frederick Chambers' idea hadn't gained so much publicity and sparked petitions, sure, Disney would've just ignored it. But it for whatever reason blew up, gained a lot of publicity, and sparked petitions. It's not entirely his fault, but forgive me for not thinking it's "just a coincidence" that he and Disney had the exact same idea.

It's been floating around that a new theme (which we know now is Tiana) was coming. Tiana at the time was only rumored so he armchair imagineered the idea which then blew up as we all know.

I don't recall seeing any rumors floating around that Splash Mountain was going to be rethemed before June 2020. Nobody mentioned it on this site.

 

[_caleb]

I don't recall seeing any rumors floating around that Splash Mountain was going to be rethemed before June 2020.

Maybe Freddy Chambers posts here as @Rich T because he floated this back in April, 2019:

I would not mind seeing Splash rethemed to The Princess and the Frog...or Zootopia (critters!). I still stay a retheme will happen the moment all of social media realizes the ride is based on SotS and enough over-reacting celebrities and politicians make a stink about it. Not to be a consipiracy theorist, but is there a deeper reason Splash's AA maintenance is so bad? Is it because some people know a change is coming? As long as it's not Ewoks.

I mean, I like the ride, the three main characters, and the music as much as anybody. But Splash is based on a mediocre movie (which, by the way, contains not a single singing goose, vulture or hitchhiking alligator) and the DL version doesn't exactly do a stellar job of telling its story. Especially with so much broken. Would a really good retheme based on another Disney film be the end of the world?
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Log enters building... "Whennnn I'mm huuumaaannn, as I hope to beeeeeeeee"....
Laughing Place becomes "Going Down the Bayou" and "Friends on the Other Side"
Finale becomes "Dig a Little Deeper." Voila!