Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

CaptinEO

CaptinEO

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I'm amazed Disney is replacing this ride with a new ride with Randy Newman's music. Look up Christmas in Capetown lyrics to see how controversial/racist he is. I feel this will come back to bite them.
 
PiratesMansion

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Captn EO said:
I'm amazed Disney is replacing this ride with a new ride with Randy Newman's music. Look up Christmas in Capetown lyrics to see how controversial/racist he is. I feel this will come back to bite them.
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Difference is that all of those Randy Newman songs you try to highlight and make seem oh-so-scandalous are actually antiracist in intent and meaning, using satire to make a point about the idiocy of racism. It's not the same thing at all. You can't get everything about a song from reading a lyric sheet or just listening to it play vaguely in the background.

Similarly, "Born in the USA" is not actually about how awesome life in the USA is (or "USA! Heck Yeah!"), even though that's what popular culture has taken from the song. "I Will Always Love You," despite its title, is probably not a song that you should be playing at your wedding. Not all songs are meant to be brainless ear candy with only superficial, literal meaning applied to them. Tone, lyrics, the music, the performance, the construction of the entirety of the song-ALL of these things are necessary to consider when looking at a song and its message.

Now obviously we could talk about certain words that probably would not be allowed to be used in a record intended for popular, commercial releases in most contexts today, but that's a different discussion. Intent and implications matter in constructing meaning. I hope that if you are truly offended by the use of that word in that context that you have also cancelled Blazing Saddles (despite that movie's similarly satirical tone and anti-racist message).

And artists are not defined by one work, nor do they use the same style in every work. Signing off on Song of the South wasn't great, but doesn't singlehandedly invalidate everything Walt Disney did (i.e. the same logic you seem to be applying to Randy Newman, if what you were saying was completely true). The same people that wrote the music for Avenue Q and Book of Mormon, two very edgy, non-family-friendly musicals, also wrote the music for the Frozen movies. Same principal.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Brer Panther said:
Isn't the Burrow's Lament scene supposed to be replaced by a scene with Dr. Facilier's "friends on the other side"?
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That would be the perfect thing to do; the whole sequence from the Laughing Place to the top of the big drop should be Friends on the Other Side. Whether or not they actually do this remains to be seen. But if, instead, it’s something non-threatening and ineffective, then they have wasted a huge opportunity.
 
CaptinEO

CaptinEO

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PiratesMansion said:
Difference is that all of those Randy Newman songs you try to highlight and make seem oh-so-scandalous are actually antiracist in intent and meaning, using satire to make a point about the idiocy of racism. It's not the same thing at all. You can't get everything about a song from reading a lyric sheet or just listening to it play vaguely in the background.

Similarly, "Born in the USA" is not actually about how awesome life in the USA is (or "USA! Heck Yeah!"), even though that's what popular culture has taken from the song. "I Will Always Love You," despite its title, is probably not a song that you should be playing at your wedding. Not all songs are meant to be brainless ear candy with only superficial, literal meaning applied to them. Tone, lyrics, the music, the performance, the construction of the entirety of the song-ALL of these things are necessary to consider when looking at a song and its message.

Now obviously we could talk about certain words that probably would not be allowed to be used in a record intended for popular, commercial releases in most contexts today, but that's a different discussion. Intent and implications matter in constructing meaning. I hope that if you are truly offended by the use of that word in that context that you have also cancelled Blazing Saddles (despite that movie's similarly satirical tone and anti-racist message).

And artists are not defined by one work, nor do they use the same style in every work. Signing off on Song of the South wasn't great, but doesn't singlehandedly invalidate everything Walt Disney did (i.e. the same logic you seem to be applying to Randy Newman, if what you were saying was completely true). The same people that wrote the music for Avenue Q and Book of Mormon, two very edgy, non-family-friendly musicals, also wrote the music for the Frozen movies. Same principal.
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Just like you can argue in context Splash Mountain doesn't use any racial stereotypes from Song of the South. It doesn't change the fact that Randy Newman is using that wording.

Whatever his intentions may be, is it OK for a white person to use that wording? I honestly don't think so, that's how I was raised anyways.

It's like saying "it's just a song", when white rappers use that word. It's a very harmful
and hurtful word and no one should be using it.

Randy Newman using it in a song he sold
for his own financial gain leans more on the side of racism and exploitation than anything.

This new ride should celebrate african american music, not Randy Newman who already is in a billion attractions.
 
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Rich T

Rich T

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Captn EO said:
Just like you can argue in context Splash Mountain doesn't use any racial stereotypes from Song of the South. It doesn't change the fact that Randy Newman is using that wording.

Whatever his intentions may be, is it OK for a white person to use that wording? I honestly don't think so, that's how I was raised anyways.

It's like saying "it's just a song", when white rappers use that word. It's a very harmful
and hurtful word and no one should be using it.

Randy Newman using it in a song he sold
for his own financial gain leans more on the side of racism and exploitation than anything.

This new ride should celebrate african american music, not Randy Newman who already is in a billion attractions.
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Oh, c’mon, stop. Have you even seen PatF? It’s a pretty wonderful movie that’s gained millions of fans of all races worldwide, and the music has already been used to great effect in multiple Disney park shows.

PatF is a perfect retheme for DL’s flume ride. I don’t know how well they’ll pull it off, but the potential to improve Disney’s worst version of Splash Mtn. Is there.
 
CaptinEO

CaptinEO

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Rich T said:
Oh, c’mon, stop. Have you even seen PatF? It’s a pretty wonderful movie that’s gained millions of fans of all races worldwide, and the music has already been used to great effect in multiple Disney park shows.

PatF is a perfect retheme for DL’s flume ride. I don’t know how well they’ll pull it off, but the potential to improve Disney’s worst version of Splash Mtn. Is there.
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I honestly lose interest each time when she turns into the Frog. I think it's a pretty low to average 2000s Disney movie and feels like them going through the motions.

The box office returns disappointing were due to a lackluster movie, not because of the word "Princess" being in the title, which was marketing's excuse at the time.

I wouldn't call it beloved or a classic but to each their own. Some people even think Atlantis is great.

Song of the South is an incredibly boring movie too though.

I hope they do one day have an african american protagonist film that is on par with the rest of the greats, instead of a slump era Eisner film being their only representation.
 
EagleScout610

EagleScout610

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Rich T said:
PatF is a perfect retheme for DL’s flume ride. I don’t know how well they’ll pull it off, but the potential to improve Disney’s worst version of Splash Mtn. Is there.
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Rich T

Rich T

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Captn EO said:
I honestly lose interest each time when she turns into the Frog. I think it's a pretty low to average 2000s Disney movie and feels like them going through the motions.

I wouldn't call it beloved or a classic but to each their own. Some people even think Atlantis is great.

Song of the South is an incredibly boring movie too though.
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I’d agree that the first act of PatF is, by far, the best part. The film is hugely popular with the gen that grew up with it on home video and cable (and who are now starting their own familes and planning Disney vacations). That’s why this makes so much sense.

And, yeah, SotS is overall a very boring movie, which is why when Iger screened it early in his CEO run, he instantly decided the movie was simply not good enough to be worth any effort defending or drawing attention to. The movie’s a huge headache for the company. I don’t blame them for leaving it to the next generation of Execs to deal with. It’s all yours now, Chapek!
 
BasiltheBatLord

BasiltheBatLord

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If I was CEO of Disney I would release SotS on Disney+ immediately, create an Uncle Remus face character for the parks and announce a UNESCO World Heritage campaign for Splash Mountain so moron corporate executives never mess with it
 
Rich T

Rich T

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BasiltheBatLord said:
If I was CEO of Disney I would release SotS on Disney+ immediately, create an Uncle Remus face character for the parks and announce a UNESCO World Heritage campaign for Splash Mountain so moron corporate executives never mess with it
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There’s one big problem with that: Song of the South is a weak, boring film. It also contains one major animated sequence that is so offensive Disney would have to delete it completely, cutting the animation in the film nearly in half. (Seriously, that one sequence is the reason no executive will touch SotS with a 10 foot pole, and I don’t blame them.)
 

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