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The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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peter11435 said:
You’d be surprised how quickly this happens again each time they clean it.
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That's the one excuse I'll grant Disney. Your park is only as clean as your visitors. And WDW's guests have changed considerably.

Then again....WDW willingly positioned itself lower on the cultural ladder to attract this different audience. The tasteless moneyied who pay $89 for a cupcake dessert party and leave their trash around.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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JIMINYCR said:
Im aware that the budgeted money is allocated in different areas. I'm just saying Disneys attention isnt going to be focused on a minor issue like one malfunctioned AA out of many in one attraction. And I know theres been a lack of maintenance in the parks from reduction of staffing and money allocated to parks...which is a shame. But I dont fret over minor issues that arent ruining my experience. The majority of guests dont spot that one AA that isnt working and let it ruin their time at Disney so that will affect Disneys need to see a rush to fix an issue. Yes IO think all these things should still get fixed but for some time now Disney has been slow on getting minor things fixed. JUst saying that therse plenty of other major things I find important that I think Disney should attend to than minor AA issues that in the entirety dont affect my enjoyment.
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I get your point about malfunctions not ending your enjoyment. I don't look for any either.

As for Disney, it is not a person but a behemoth. It can employ people to oversee maintenance. In fact, it has. It us just that these managers, too, have to show increased efficiency quarter on quarter. So they will take any shortcut they can to pimp their resumé ('...lowered costs by 8.25%, whole increasing efficiency by 15% through implementation of 'insert tech buzzword of the year'...')
 
Missing20K

Missing20K

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peter11435 said:
You’d be surprised how quickly this happens again each time they clean it.
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Which is how often exactly?

The Empress Lilly said:
That's the one excuse I'll grant Disney. Your park is only as clean as your visitors. And WDW's guests have changed considerably.

Then again....WDW willingly positioned itself lower on the cultural ladder to attract this different audience. The tasteless moneyied who pay $89 for a cupcake dessert party and leave their trash around.
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I think humans have gotten less cleanly in general, irrespective of income or culture. Unless you're a Japanese soccer fan. We could all learn from those folks.

I've seen this mentioned about on these forums and I'm not quite sure I follow the thinking. Not calling you out, just trying to understand. In what manner has WDW (I assume you are only talking about that and not other parks in the portfolio) "positioned itself lower on the cultural ladder" and how has the audience changed? They have continued to raise prices that far outpace inflation so I would think that would attract a "higher-end" clientele and not the "riff-raff" one might find at a regional park charging $40 admission. Have they marketed to this "different audience" in some particular way?

I guess I feel that if anything the tasteless moneyed you refer are just plain ol' middle and upper class Americans whose culture for dressing well, respecting others and being accountable for one's own actions has precipitously declined rapidly in recent years. Someone had a TR on here and there was a woman sitting in the middle of the concourse without a shirt on, bra (or swim top) only. I'm not sure how you ever get rid of that other than implementing a strict, well-enforced, dress code. Which...good luck with that.
 
Paper straw fan

Paper straw fan

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disneyworlddad said:
I have been twice times this summer. One time the Chum was moving (although very slowly) and the other he was not. Same on the Angler Fish. Once he was working the other he was not.
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Yeah I didn't note all of the characters but there was a lot of things not working on Nemo this past weekend. At least the park was as dead on a Sunday as I've seen it in quite some time.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Missing20K said:
Which is how often exactly?
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Not as often as any of us would like but still more often than should be necessary. But it only takes a couple days to return to deplorable condition.

Unfortunately due to its location and fall protection and access requirements it’s not a quick or easy task.
 
Missing20K

Missing20K

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peter11435 said:
Not as often as any of us would like but still more often than should be necessary. But it only takes a couple days to return to deplorable condition.
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I was aware of the issues regarding cleaning it, but wow, I had no idea it would get that bad that quick. Bunch of savages. Is it a "thing" for guests to come armed and loaded, ready to litter?
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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Missing20K said:
Which is how often exactly?



I think humans have gotten less cleanly in general, irrespective of income or culture. Unless you're a Japanese soccer fan. We could all learn from those folks.

I've seen this mentioned about on these forums and I'm not quite sure I follow the thinking. Not calling you out, just trying to understand. In what manner has WDW (I assume you are only talking about that and not other parks in the portfolio) "positioned itself lower on the cultural ladder" and how has the audience changed? They have continued to raise prices that far outpace inflation so I would think that would attract a "higher-end" clientele and not the "riff-raff" one might find at a regional park charging $40 admission. Have they marketed to this "different audience" in some particular way?

I guess I feel that if anything the tasteless moneyed you refer are just plain ol' middle and upper class Americans whose culture for dressing well, respecting others and being accountable for one's own actions has precipitously declined rapidly in recent years. Someone had a TR on here and there was a woman sitting in the middle of the concourse without a shirt on, bra (or swim top) only. I'm not sure how you ever get rid of that other than implementing a strict, well-enforced, dress code. Which...good luck with that.
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I think that at some point WDW understood that in 1900, a Florida vacation was for North East old money. In 1970, in reach for the middle class east of the Mississippi. And in 2018 for the uncultured of three continents.

The riff-raff that could only afford that $40 regional park in 1985 can now go to WDW. And they actually spend far more on theme parks, junk and bad food than people of classic taste.

In 1988, you would visit an energy museum exhibit in EPCOT then dress up to dine in an old fashioned river boat in the Disney Village. In 2018 you visit a cartoon character for selfies and top the evening off with $89 vip fireworks. These attract different audiences. Remarkably, the latter actually outspend the former in theme parks. Similar to how the lower classes outspend the upper in meat consumption, whole fat milk, and clothes with designer label.

Eventually, this audience drawn from a different well will reflect in different WDW behaviour, irrespective of further social change. (I must agree with you that I meet far less of those classic super polite, kind, patient, American middle classe families who were much better behaved than their European counter parts. Once upon a time. Where have they gone?)
 
Missing20K

Missing20K

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The Empress Lilly said:
I think that at some point WDW understood that in 1900, a Florida vacation was for North East old money. In 1970, in reach for the middle class east of the Mississippi. And in 2018 for the uncultured of three continents.

The riff-raff that could only afford that $40 regional park in 1985 can now go to WDW. And they actually spend far more on theme parks, junk and bad food than people of classic taste.

In 1988, you would visit an energy museum exhibit in EPCOT then dress up to dine in an old fashioned river boat in the Disney Village. In 2018 you visit a cartoon character for selfies and top the evening off with $89 vip fireworks. These attract different audiences. Remarkably, the latter actually outspend the former in theme parks. Similar to how the lower classes outspend the upper in meat consumption, whole fat milk, and clothes with designer label.

Eventually, this audience drawn from a different well will reflect in different WDW behaviour, irrespective of further social change. (I must agree with you that I meet far less of those classic super polite, kind, patient, American middle classe families who were much better behaved than their European counter parts. Once upon a time. Where have they gone?)
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So essentially, those with a "finer" taste have decided WDW is too "low-brow" for them and have decided to spend their money elsewhere? Interesting theory. Do the lower classes also outspend the upper on DVC? :D

I drink whole fat milk. I will stop going to the parks. I know when I'm not wanted. ;)
 
UncleMike101

UncleMike101

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The Empress Lilly said:
I think that at some point WDW understood that in 1900, a Florida vacation was for North East old money. In 1970, in reach for the middle class east of the Mississippi. And in 2018 for the uncultured of three continents.

The riff-raff that could only afford that $40 regional park in 1985 can now go to WDW. And they actually spend far more on theme parks, junk and bad food than people of classic taste.

In 1988, you would visit an energy museum exhibit in EPCOT then dress up to dine in an old fashioned river boat in the Disney Village. In 2018 you visit a cartoon character for selfies and top the evening off with $89 vip fireworks. These attract different audiences. Remarkably, the latter actually outspend the former in theme parks. Similar to how the lower classes outspend the upper in meat consumption, whole fat milk, and clothes with designer label.

Eventually, this audience drawn from a different well will reflect in different WDW behaviour, irrespective of further social change. (I must agree with you that I meet far less of those classic super polite, kind, patient, American middle classe families who were much better behaved than their European counter parts. Once upon a time. Where have they gone?)
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They can't afford it any more. :(
 

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