Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

Here's my question about a potential lawsuit- Where will it go? Most people in the government above California support Newsom.

 

[Stevek]

I don't understand how it can be either, something is very fishy there.

It's pretty obvious...the 2 most prominent democrats in the state are SF homers. Had Adolf Newsom been from OC I doubt we would be having this conversation.

 

[TP2000]

Regarding Universal Studios and Six Flags Magic Mountain...

Los Angeles County just went further into the naughtiest Purple Tier today. LA's case rates this week went up to 10.1 cases per 100,000. Last week they were around 9 cases per 100,000.

I bet the execs at Universal Studios are fuming over this! They are completely hosed through 2021.

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[Stevek]

I do question if the state can legally delay a federally approved vaccine, I honestly don't know, but my gut says they can't.

I don't believe they can if it's federally approved by the CDC? If not, it's a short drive to Nevada or Arizona. But someone please correct me if in fact the state can delay.

 

[cmwade77]

Here's my question about a potential lawsuit- Where will it go? Most people in the government above California support Newsom.

Actually, in California, there is technically no one above Newsom, there are judges that are on equal footing and can deem what he has done illegal, but technically not above him.

A lawsuit can and should bring things to be legal, not what someone agrees or disagrees with, but into compliance with the law, as written and ensures the laws as written are constitutional.

 

[TP2000]

Many of us gave up on questioning the "logic" behind any of these ridiculous regulations 7 months ago. None of this makes any sense but it's clear that the decisions specifically in regards to theme parks are designed to keep them from reopening. Period.

It's baffling.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that Sacramento and the Newsom administration apparently wants theme parks in California to go away entirely. Like gas cars.

The only thing I can think of is that Newsom views theme parks as a wasteful frippery that is too low-brow and tacky to exist in his utopian version of society. Like gas cars.

 

[cmwade77]

I don't believe they can if it's federally approved by the CDC? If not, it's a short drive to Nevada or Arizona. But someone please correct me if in fact the state can delay.

But the again, when has Newsom ever let a pesky thing like the law stand in his way?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Orange County did not meet the requirement to begin their three week probation in order to move to the Orange Tier.

Therefore, the absolute earliest that the county can get to Yellow and DL open is.... six weeks (Dec 1).

And that's only if there is progress and no backsliding.

 

[cmwade77]

It's baffling.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that Sacramento and the Newsom administration apparently wants theme parks in California to go away entirely. Like gas cars.

The only thing I can think of is that Newsom views theme parks as a wasteful frippery that is too low-brow and tacky to exist in his utopian version of society. Like gas cars.

Well, the sooner we can make it clear we won't tolerate his kind of rule anymore, the better off we all are.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This isn't really surprising or unexpected. Maybe the only part that is a surprise, is how little Disney's "discussion" was able to persuade them from straying from their ultimate goals of being safe.

It seemed like the big gripe was with the geographic restrictions and that has come around to bite them. They probably could have made a convincing argument for geographic restrictions and a higher tier as that too helps with the issue of travel.

That not a true statement. Looking at the map of tiers in California now I see many counties are in the yellow tier.

So is Japan. Similar in size to California with far greater population and dense urban areas.

Here's my question about a potential lawsuit- Where will it go? Most people in the government above California support Newsom.

The courts, which are separate from the executive and legislature. Ideally personal desires and views are not to interfere with upholding the law as written.

 

[TP2000]

Legal groundwork for a potential lawsuit has already been laid out. This will likely cause them to pull the trigger.

It's clearly the only option now.

Do you think the big theme park players go in together legally? Or does Disney file a suit, Universal files a suit, etc.?

 

[Mouse Trap]

Actually, in California, there is technically no one above Newsom, there are judges that are on equal footing and can deem what he has done illegal, but technically not above him.

A lawsuit can and should bring things to be legal, not what someone agrees or disagrees with, but into compliance with the law, as written and ensures the laws as written are constitutional.

Major businesses have mostly played nice with Newsom during this process. I think this ends in the next couple of weeks with Disney and others suing. If they win it sets precedent for many other businesses to do the same, but most don't have pockets as deep as Disney and Comcast.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

This is a Fox News Alert!

 

[Mesmer92]

This is why I wish Disney had the power and control that they have in Florida. No way this would EVER fly there. California continues to be the cesspool of America (and this is coming from a raging liberal); why do people love it so much?!

 

[DCBaker]

Response from CAPA -

"Erin Guerrero, executive director of the California Attractions and Parks Association, issued the following statement after the plan was unveiled.

To say today’s announcement on theme parks is disappointing would be a grave understatement. The Governor has not used science or data to inform his decision. Theme parks have opened and operated safely around the world for months. Data and science prove that theme parks can operate responsibly anywhere – there is no rational reason to believe they can’t do so in California. No one cares more about park employee and guest safety than the parks themselves. “Let me be unequivocal– the guidance issued by the Newsom Administration will keep theme parks shuttered for the foreseeable future. By forcing amusement parks to stay closed until their home county reaches Tier 4, the Governor has issued a “Keep Theme Parks Closed Indefinitely” Plan which will devastate California’s major theme park industry."

Disneyland, Universal Studios Fire Back At California’s “Irreparably Devastating” Theme Park Reopening Guidelines

Executives at Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood, Legoland and others rail against the state's new reopening requirements.

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[DrAlice]

The problem with all of these back and forth number arguments is that none of those numbers means a pile of churros when you don't take into account the amount of testing being performed.

There is *some* data to this effect on the Johns Hopkins site, but it is at the state level, not county level. And good luck comparing country to country. Without controlling for the amount of testing being done in a population, the numbers are really not useful for comparing one population to another.

If I'm being charitable, I could say that maybe the state is doing this when it makes it's Rainbow Dash's Map to Normalcy Blueprint Thingy. Maybe????? I don't know. I didn't find it in a cursory look. Has anyone else dug deep into the rainbow for testing data from county to county?

 

[Emmanuel]

Theme parks still won't get the easy way out, but modifications will come -- the color tiered system just doesn't work.

The second the blueprint tiered system was announced, I knew that it would be a mess.

 

[DavidDL]

This is why I wish Disney had the power and control that they have in Florida. No way this would EVER fly there. California continues to be the cesspool of America (and this is coming from a raging liberal); why do people love it so much?!

I am here mostly, because of Theme Parks. Yes, I love them that much. I want attractions like Universal Studios and Disneyland down the street from me, not smaller, "state fair" type of parks. There are food places I love too but I feel like those are more replaceable than say, the Haunted Mansion.

But the way things are looking, I may not have the parks to look forward to anymore. I don't care about party colors or whose in control and I even turn a blind eye to major issues like housing costs, all to be near the things that make me happy and help make mine a life worth living. Things that have been such a huge part of my life growing up.

That may change soon.

 

[Mesmer92]

I am here mostly, because of Theme Parks. Yes, I love them that much

I totally get that!! The reason I chose to go to UCF for grad school was its close proximity to all the theme parks. I left Orlando after 5 years this summer and I miss being 10 minutes away from all the glamor and glitz of the theme park life.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

All the Shut It Downers are having the greatest day of their lives.