Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
So that tells me that since San Francisco's Positivity metric is Yellow, but their cases per 100K (already adjusted down to 1.5) are Orange, that the more restrictive of those two metrics will determine the tier assignement.

Equity Positivity overrules Cases....



Accelerated Progression if Health Equity Quartile Test Positivity Rate Meets Threshold for Two Tiers Less Restrictive. Attending to the Health Equity Quartile HPI test positivity rate can also accelerate a county's progression to a less restrictive tier.​
For counties that are in the orange tier, if both the countywide and the county's Health Equity Quartile HPI census tracts' test positivity rate is <2% and the case rate is ≤2 per 100,000 for two consecutive weeks, the county can move to the yellow tier.​




BTW, I updated the charts to include the Equity positivity rates.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
“You can help people who are out of work but you can’t help people who are dead.”

Life also has to be WORTH LIVING.
I hate to shock you but saving our cultural, historical way of AMERICAN LIFE is just as important as saving lives.
I know you can’t see it, but make no mistake that’s in danger.
We fought in 2 world wars not to save lives but to save Freedom and our Way of life.
By your worldview we shouldn’t have defended freedom because saving a life is THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING.
Many of us have a very different worldview.
When in the course of human events you should do some reading.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
All this hand wringing and finger pointing over SF being in the yellow tier, and not a peep yet from OC residents asking why their county is still in the red tier and what they can do to get on track.

It really is weird isn't it? The areas in OC with the highest rate of infection are the areas in Anaheim surrounding Disneyland, and instead of actual concern over the well being of the population, more complaints that the system is rigged and unfair. No actual solutions, just complaining.

Life also has to be WORTH LIVING.

LOL, no. You don't get to sacrifice poor people so you can have fun.

I hate to shock you but saving our cultural, historical way of AMERICAN LIFE is just as important as saving lives.
I know you can’t see it, but make no mistake that’s in danger.

Saving lives is more important. Disneyland can't reopen if all the Cast Members are dead.
 

Sailor310

Well-Known Member
There have been lots of arguments back and forth. Just to stir the waters, here's numbers from Wikipedia:

United States[edit]​

The following estimates have been applied to the value of life. The estimates are either for one year of additional life or for the statistical value of a single life.

  • $50,000 per year of quality life (the "dialysis standard",[30] which had been a de facto international standard most private and government-run health insurance plans worldwide use to determine whether to cover a new medical procedure)[31]
  • $129,000 per year of quality life (an update to the "dialysis standard")[32][31]
  • $9.1 million (Environmental Protection Agency, 2010)[33]
  • $7.9 million (Food and Drug Administration, 2010)[33]
  • $9.2 million (Department of Transportation, 2014)[34]
  • $9.6 million (Department of Transportation, Aug. 2016)[35]
 

planodisney

Well-Known Member
It really is weird isn't it? The areas in OC with the highest rate of infection are the areas in Anaheim surrounding Disneyland, and instead of actual concern over the well being of the population, more complaints that the system is rigged and unfair. No actual solutions, just complaining.



LOL, no. You don't get to sacrifice poor people so you can have fun.



Saving lives is more important. Disneyland can't reopen if all the Cast Members are dead.
I’m not talking about Disneyland but if it helps you to oversimplify it, have at it.
I won’t be at DL whether it opens or not.
I’m a middle class father of 3 who works his butt off everyday and sacrifices virtually all my personal wants to give my children and wife what they need. But once again you just proved my point about labeling, and more troubling actually believing opposing points of view from yours only come from selfish, narcissistic, evil right wingers.
It’s just what those in power want you to keep on believing.
My wife is a school teacher and she’s so happy to be back in person. Not everyone who doesn’t make alot of money is a suppressed victim and I’m sure some of them want to get back to REAL LIFE as well.
I can tell you have genuine concern for people and that’s very admirable. But so do people like me. We just don’t believe our feelings and emotions are always the best dictates to make all decisions.
 
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cmwade77

Well-Known Member
It's baffling and fascinating all at the same time.

I was heartened to hear that every major theme park executive in California is just as confused at San Francisco's Magic Math as everyone else. And these are top executives at big companies that have access to teams of professionals who can decipher all the information Sacramento puts out and how it's used to regulate their industry.

So if even the Walt Disney Company and NBCUniversal and Cedar Fair can't make heads or tails of it, then you know us mere taxpaying civilians will never be able to understand it.

Literally right now the state website says San Francisco should still be in the Orange Tier. But there they are, shaded a lovely bright yellow instead. Someone in Sacramento has some explaining to do. They should call Ken Potrock first, but then they need to explain it to us.


Let me take a stab at it because the underlying documentation is truly dense and their spreadsheet only shows values and no formulas:

Take the Positivity Rate and the Case/100k people rates from two weeks ago (because of delays of reporting, the past week's numbers are constantly changing and are usually under-reported). So, e.g.

CountyPositivity %Cases per 100,00
Los Angeles3.4 "orange"10.1 "purple"
Orange3.2 "orange"4.6 "red"
San Francisco0.8 "yellow"2.5 "orange"

Now, apply modifiers:

If you've been doing a lot of testing in your county/city, with "a lot" being defined as any where up to two times the state median, your "Cases per 100,000" number gets adjusted down depending on how much more than the median you've been testing.

The state median is about 240 tests per 100,000 people.
  • Los Angeles has a testing rate per 100k of 386 which reduces its Cases/100k to 75% of its unadjusted value.
  • San Francisco has a testing rate of 596 and is adjusted down to 60% of its value.
  • Orange has a testing rate of 218. Uh oh... that's *less* than the median. That could mean its testing rate can be adjusted *up*!! However, since it's positivity rate is under 3.5%, it gets off on good behavior, and thus, no adjustment to Cases.

The new standings after adjustments:


CountyPositivity %Cases per 100,00
Los Angeles3.4 "orange"7.6 "purple"
Orange3.2 "orange"4.6 "red"
San Francisco0.8 "yellow"1.5 "orange"


Next comes the "Equity Adjustment."

The state doesn't want counties to avoid providing testing and caring for its poorest or disenfranchised members. And so, there is a really complicated way to determine what parts of the county are in the 'lowest quartile' (lowest 25% bracket) and to make sure these two things happen:​
  1. The most depressed parts of the county have positivity rates that are close to that of the rest of the county.​
  2. The most depressed parts of the county have targeted health care plans.​
In order to progress to a better tier the difference between the the lowest quartile and the rest of the county needs to be minimized.​
So, not caring for the lowest quartile can hold you back, however, caring for the lowest quartile can have rewards!! For even though your county's case rate (per 100k) may not qualify for the next lower tier, if the county as a whole, and it's lowest quartile's *positivity* qualify for the next tier then the county can move into the next tier.​
And this kinda makes sense because if you let the virus run rampant in depressed areas (where all your minimum wage employees live), it won't just stay there.​

And that's why San Francisco is in the Yellow Tier even though their Cases/100k is still in Orange. That's because the whole city Positivity and their lowest quartile's Positivity are in Yellow (plus all the work they did to show they have targeted health care plans for the lowest quartile).


CountyPositivity %Equity Positivity %Cases per 100,00
Los Angeles3.4 "orange"5.9 "red"7.6 "purple"
Orange3.2 "orange"5.6 "red"4.6 "red"
San Francisco0.8 "yellow"1.5 "yellow"1.5 "orange"
That still squarely puts San Francisco in Orange, so how are they in yellow?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
That still squarely puts San Francisco in Orange, so how are they in yellow?

In this post...

Equity Positivity overrules Cases....



Accelerated Progression if Health Equity Quartile Test Positivity Rate Meets Threshold for Two Tiers Less Restrictive. Attending to the Health Equity Quartile HPI test positivity rate can also accelerate a county's progression to a less restrictive tier.
For counties that are in the orange tier, if both the countywide and the county's Health Equity Quartile HPI census tracts' test positivity rate is <2% and the case rate is ≤2 per 100,000 for two consecutive weeks, the county can move to the yellow tier.


IOW, this...

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trumps this...

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TP2000

Well-Known Member
CountyPositivity %Equity Positivity %Cases per 100,00
Los Angeles3.4 "orange"5.9 "red"7.6 "purple"
Orange3.2 "orange"5.6 "red"4.6 "red"
San Francisco0.8 "yellow"1.5 "yellow"1.5 "orange"

Again, I can't thank you enough for all that work! It's the best explanation I've seen yet. I had to read through it all a few times to wrap my head around it, but you made it as easy as possible.

Although it still gives me pause for how OC can ever get to the Yellow Tier.

According to the current statistics, Orange County is slightly less racist than Los Angeles County, and Orange County is notably healthier than Los Angeles County. I could see where it would be possible for Orange County to get down to the Orange Tier a few months from now, maybe the start of the year.

But the Yellow Tier just seems like a long ways off, even in less racist and more equitable Orange County. Los Angeles County is really hosed, both on their health and their racism metrics.

No wonder the President of Universal Studios kept hammering home her message about jobs and employment, and opening her park for food festivals soon. Universal Studios is a very long ways off from the Yellow Tier. :oops:
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
If Orange County
  • doubled its testing
  • strictly enforced masks and distancing
  • did what they had to do to get the Equity discount

Then instead of DL not opening until next Summer, they could be open for Christmas.

Getting the entire county and their lowest quartile under 2% shouldn't be that hard.

Absolutely agree. In addition to it being the easiest and quickest path to reopening Disneyland, it's also the right thing to do.
 
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More digs on Nancy Pelosi's hair and personal attacks at me from the Peanut Gallery and still not one post explaining how diligently local officials are working with their communities to bring down Covid cases in OC so Disneyland can reopen as soon as possible. Oh wait, maybe that's because local officials aren't doing anything of note to fix the situation besides point their fingers at Sacramento.

Y'all are a trip.
 

DavidDL

Well-Known Member
I've seen this mentioned a few times so please help me to understand; is one of the main issues a lack of and/or willingness to be tested? Because it seems to me (-and please correct me if I'm wrong), that if enough people went and tested negative, wouldn't that sort of offset things and push them in the right direction? My assumption being folks aren't being counted at all if they don't go and therefore are making the numbers look worse in the end then they (maybe?) are?

If that be the case, I wonder what they could do to push for more testing? If it really is a possible answer. I know it doesn't seem.. erm, ethical or patriotic to force people to stick a swap into their brain if they don't want to but like, if we all did it, would we be back on track?
 

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