Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

[TP2000]

You can’t throw universities under the bus because they have a fixed population that will move in and out mostly en masse at specific times and then say it’s perfectly fine for theme parks to attract more people in and out on a continuing basis. Theme parks are universities on hyper drive.

I don't think you can blame any one business or industry when Orange County has multiple land borders with four other counties and connected at multiple points to the Interstate Highway system, plus John Wayne airport with daily flights arriving from foreign countries.

Interstate Highways connecting to the north and east via I-5, I-10, I-8. Multiple seaports and large marinas from Dana Point to Huntington Beach. An international airport in Santa Ana. No effective border controls at either the state or county level; Arizonans and Oregonians can freely drive in to OC, just like a Mexican or a Canadian could. It will be extremely hard to get OC to the Yellow Tier unless the borders are shut down at the county line.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

You can’t throw universities under the bus because they have a fixed population that will move in and out mostly en masse at specific times and then say it’s perfectly fine for theme parks to attract more people in and out on a continuing basis. Theme parks are universities on hyper drive.

I’d actually argue universities are more unsafe than theme parks precisely because they are more difficult to police unless you have RAs policing all daytime and nighttime activities in the dorms. Particularly if they have offsite housing like Greek life. You have young adults who come from all across the nation and the globe to these schools and live, study (and very likely drink/play with their inhibitions let down) together in regular quarters presents a major risk. Particularly when they return to their home towns for the holidays/breaks/weekends too.

The fact that universities have welcomed some students on campus still when university “courses and services” can be easily provided online makes no sense to me. From a cognitive perspective I’d be more concerned with getting TK-6 graders back to school in a safe environment than a bunch of largely 18-24 year olds

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Weren't idiot college kids basically screwing over the entire universities by having their drinking parties? A theme park hosing everything down in Purell, restricting entry and forcing everyone to wear masks is clearly safer than that. But, hey. Don't try to argue with the Shut It Downers.

 

[Jiggsawpuzzle35]

We need to build a wall around Orange County. Not only will it bring COVID cases down, but crime will go down too.

 

[TP2000]

Aloha,

Moving forward, what are DLP options? I am assuming the Disney leaders have requested an in house cost benefit analysis of their options.
* Stay shuttered until whenever when? Summer of 2021?
* Take legal action?
* Permanently close and move to a politically supportive site?
* Other options???

I'm betting Disney is going to try an All Of The Above strategy in the next couple months.

Disneyland is now closed until the summer of 2021, at the earliest. Assuming this "guidance" released today is not massively altered or walked back by Governor Newsom at some point after November 3rd.

Only using Science and Data, you understand.

 

[fctiger]

Well looks like most things that were leaked a few weeks ago from Fresh Baked and others were right, especially the bigger parks being in the yellow tier. The only big difference is the 120 mile rule is mostly for sporting events, although the smaller parks are even worse than that since people in surrounding counties can even go to those.

Sadly it looks like none of the bigger parks will be open anytime soon. Its no way any in the SoCal region will fall in the yellow tier the rest of this year the way things are going. I suspect we will hit a second wave by the winter and cases are going to spike up. DL, Universal, Knotts, etc may not open until March or April the soonest, a year since they been closed.

This really really sucks.

 

[Figments Friend]

So.....

Catching up on today's news now....but I'm guessing we still don't have a answer yet..?

Disneyland - still closed.



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[TP2000]

Well looks like most things that were leaked a few weeks ago Fresh Baked and others got a hold of were right, especially the bigger parks being in the yellow tier.

You just had to remind us that Fresh Baked was right, didn't you?

But yes, Fresh Baked was right. I must admit that and give him due credit.

And the guidelines are just as restrictive and industry-killing as it first seemed when Fresh Baked leaked it.

The only thing that changed seems to be the 120 mile rule. That got changed to County Residents Only, and only for the small amusement parks. But honestly, by limiting the smaller amusement parks to no more than 500 customers allowed in the park at any one time, what's the point? The smaller parks are just as hosed as the big parks.

 

[TP2000]

So.....

Catching up on today's news now....but I'm guessing we still don't have a answer yet..?

Disneyland - still closed.



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Reader's Digest Version:

Disneyland will remain closed at least until the summer of 2021, when OC enters the Yellow Tier.

Unless Governor Newsom suddenly amends or rescinds the rules he just laid out today.

And when Disneyland can reopen, they can't use the indoor queue at Tony's Indiana Jones Adventure.

 

[fctiger]

You just had to remind us that Fresh Baked was right, didn't you?

But yes, Fresh Baked was right. I must admit that and give him due credit.

And the guidelines are just as restrictive and industry-killing as it first seemed when Fresh Baked leaked it.

The only thing that changed seems to be the 120 mile rule. That got changed to County Residents Only, and only for the small amusement parks. But honestly, by limiting the smaller amusement parks to no more than 500 customers allowed in the park at any one time, what's the point? The smaller parks are just as hosed as the big parks.

FB is the only place I even heard about it lol. I didn't know anything about it until I saw that video since I rarely come to these sites anymore. But yeah it does suck. Like everyone, I was hoping it was either wrong OR they simply negotiated a less harsher agreement and why there was a delay since we know they were suppose to come out with it sooner. I thought the visit to WDW may change some things too, but I guess not.

And I agree the smaller parks are still in a bad position. They have one less tier to worry about but its still going to be hard to get customers with those limits.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

You just had to remind us that Fresh Baked was right, didn't you?

But yes, Fresh Baked was right. I must admit that and give him due credit.

And the guidelines are just as restrictive and industry-killing as it first seemed when Fresh Baked leaked it.

The only thing that changed seems to be the 120 mile rule. That got changed to County Residents Only, and only for the small amusement parks. But honestly, by limiting the smaller amusement parks to no more than 500 customers allowed in the park at any one time, what's the point? The smaller parks are just as hosed as the big parks.

I wouldn't say FRESHBAKED WAS RIGHT, the story broke that night well before he posted a video about it. Other outlets had it because the story leaked. He was just first to make a video about it but it was all over twitter way before that and spreading like wild fire.

 

[mickEblu]

There is no way they will willingly wait until Spring or Summer 21. Looks like we re going to court.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

There is no way they will willingly wait until Spring or Summer 21. Looks like we re going to court.

The honrorable Judge Mickey presiding. Woodstock and Snoopy are the bailiffs.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Aloha,

Moving forward, what are DLP options? I am assuming the Disney leaders have requested an in house cost benefit analysis of their options.
* Stay shuttered until whenever when? Summer of 2021?
* Take legal action?
* Permanently close and move to a politically supportive site?
* Other options???

They're going to take legal action. As @Magic Feather stated the legal framework is already there. Cedar did the same thing in Ohio and the governor back tracked in a day. Newsom will be a longer fight, but Disney, Universal and others will certainly take this to court.

No way this ends today.

 

[fctiger]

I wouldn't say FRESHBAKED WAS RIGHT, the story broke that night well before he posted a video about it. Other outlets had it because the story leaked. He was just first to make a video about it but it was all over twitter way before that and spreading like wild fire.

Well clearly they were right. The 'story' was leaked so it could've been completely wrong. Nothing was official until now.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’d actually argue universities are more unsafe than theme parks precisely because they are more difficult to police unless you have RAs policing all daytime and nighttime activities in the dorms. Particularly if they have offsite housing like Greek life. You have young adults who come from all across the nation and the globe to these schools and live, study (and very likely drink/play with their inhibitions let down) together in regular quarters presents a major risk. Particularly when they return to their home towns for the holidays/breaks/weekends too.

The fact that universities have welcomed some students on campus still when university “courses and services” can be easily provided online makes no sense to me. From a cognitive perspective I’d be more concerned with getting TK-6 graders back to school in a safe environment than a bunch of largely 18-24 year olds

I’m not arguing one is safer than the other, just that the stated argument is incredibly faulty in supporting large theme parks opening. Chau described Orange County as being unlikely to reach Tier 4 because it is “a county with institutions of higher education where folks come in from outside the county and outside the state.” If that movement of people in and out is actually a problem like Chau claims then opening large tourism draws is a bad decision because they have thousands of “folks com[ing] in from outside the county and outside the state” every single day. It’s a complete contradiction that something on a large scale is fine when you claim it is bad on a small scale. It’s like saying having the occasional cigarette is bad for your health but two packs a day is fine.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Well clearly they were right. The 'story' was leaked so it could've been completely wrong.

No he was not right. The info someone else let out into the ether was right. He would have been right if he predicted it some time before the info got out. He just shared leaked info that was correct.

 

[Jiggsawpuzzle35]

I hope Newsom’s Plumpjack Winery burned down.

 

[fctiger]

No he was not right. The info someone else let out into the ether was right. He would have been right if he predicted it some time before the info got out. He just shared leaked info that was correct.

Dude all he did was present the information he got, which turned out to be right. What is this board strange obsession with vloggers I will never understand it. The only point is we knew this info weeks ago and people were waiting on something different today, we didn't get it.

 

[mlayton144]

Being free on NJ I generally lean liberal on most topics and absolutely despise the current president , but anyone with even half a brain knows these guidelines are an example of the cure being worse than the disease. 5 cases per 100k to reopen , is he smoking crack ?