mysto
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Fun Fact. He's ruining the parks AND failing the investors.
The board is very pleased that you blame Bob for all this. That's why they pay him the big bucks.
Fun Fact. He's ruining the parks AND failing the investors.
Another property they have no idea how to maintain and grow, move over Marvel WarsGetting the NBA rights is good, it pays for itself (even though ESPN's NBA presentation is awful), losing the rights would cost Disney billions in revenue. It would be a big red flag if they didn't get the rights, as Zaslav failed to get it for WB Discovery and he's being dragged through the coals by the trades for it.
They're not mutually exclusive, but they're also not correlated. To the extent that investors are paying attention to the parks, they care that they are as profitable as possible. So, experimenting with finding the sweet spot where you can cut costs and raise revenues as much as possible in a way that keeps growing profits quarter over quarter will be rewarded. When that stops working, investors will move on; their concern is not that the parks are viable in 20 years time.Delivering on a positive guest experience and positive stock market returns are NOT mutually exclusive. The danger is when ownership becomes inactive and fails to keep management accountable.
I remember during the last investor's meeting there were a lot of questions in regards to how the $60 billion in upcoming parks spending wasn't happening, but you are right, the average wall street investor hates when businesses spend money. The film side of Disney is the creative wing they kind of care about aside from dividends, parks are looked at by most of them as a tertiary thing (like how the trades referred to Chapek as a glorified Churro stand vendor) and only kind of care as it had massive profits over the last year, I don't expect any questions about spending on the parks being at the quarterly meeting, mostly as Disney will probably focus on Inside Out 2 and DP&W's success instead, or about more dryer things, like stock price and how Disney will replace the board member that stepped down.They're not mutually exclusive, but they're also not correlated. To the extent that investors are paying attention to the parks, they care that they are as profitable as possible. So, experimenting with finding the sweet spot where you can cut costs and raise revenues as much as possible in a way that keeps growing profits quarter over quarter will be rewarded. When that stops working, investors will move on; their concern is not that the parks are viable in 20 years time.
In general, however, Wall Street doesn't seem particularly interested in the parks and pays more attention to the things you all complain about Bob putting his time and money into. Just watch how they react when Disney announces billions of new spending on the parks.
I remember during the last investor's meeting there were a lot of questions in regards to how the $60 billion in upcoming parks spending wasn't happening, but you are right, the average wall street investor hates when businesses spend money. The film side of Disney is the creative wing they kind of care about aside from dividends, parks are looked at by most of them as a tertiary thing (like how the trades referred to Chapek as a glorified Churro stand vendor) and only kind of care as it had massive profits over the last year, I don't expect any questions about spending on the parks being at the quarterly meeting, mostly as Disney will probably focus on Inside Out 2 and DP&W's success instead, or about more dryer things, like stock price and how Disney will replace the board member that stepped down.
You’re conflating all shareholders as the same. The shareholders who are investors interested long term in the company very much care about how the park experience is. The shareholders with a shorter time horizon don’t. That’s why the most successful companies are the ones with long term and active shareholders.They're not mutually exclusive, but they're also not correlated. To the extent that investors are paying attention to the parks, they care that they are as profitable as possible. So, experimenting with finding the sweet spot where you can cut costs and raise revenues as much as possible in a way that keeps growing profits quarter over quarter will be rewarded. When that stops working, investors will move on; their concern is not that the parks are viable in 20 years time.
In general, however, Wall Street doesn't seem particularly interested in the parks and pays more attention to the things you all complain about Bob putting his time and money into. Just watch how they react when Disney announces billions of new spending on the parks.
Yes but that is what most of the "Institutional Investors" are. They dont/wont understand that all businesses have good years and bad years. Sometimes a company has to spend money. They just want you to make X amount of profit above what you did the previous year and if you dont...... Well the Street will not be happy...You’re conflating all shareholders as the same. The shareholders who are investors interested long term in the company very much care about how the park experience is. The shareholders with a shorter time horizon don’t. That’s why the most successful companies are the ones with long term and active shareholders.
Quarterly capitalism forces companies like Disney to produce results however they get it to try to prove to Wall Street that numbers are better than last quarter and or last year. If numbers don't gel then Wall Street is eager to see what action plans ( ie layoffs etc ) the companies will implement to improve current situation .It’s quite well timed. They’ll focus on the positivity in the quarterly report and very surface level experiences investing. All the actual experiences investments manifest on the weekend, sandwiched around positive studio news.
And we might get a ‘DCL is an incredibly popular and expanding business with fast investment to operability timelines, check out what we have to say on that this weekend’.
Experiences, unfortunately, have such a long and forward looking investment cycle that never meshes well with the quarterly driven Wall Street.
The point is also to make money off buying and selling shares, not supporting the construction of a viable business in the longterm. If the shares crash at some point in the future doesn't really matter from that perspective. What matters is estimating the best time to sell or encouraging another scenario where you can earn a premium on your shares such as a takeover. The company chugging along making decent profits into the future isn't very attractive for the kinds of investors who drive share prices. It's why you see them being more responsive to new initiatives like Disney+ than to making sure the theme park business is healthy, even if there is a good chance Disney+ will never bring in as much profits as the parks.Yes but that is what most of the "Institutional Investors" are. They dont/wont understand that all businesses have good years and bad years. Sometimes a company has to spend money. They just want you to make X amount of profit above what you did the previous year and if you dont...... Well the Street will not be happy...
That’s true but I think it’s why we need to educate people more. Your average American is the owner of TWDC and every other stock in the S&P. We need to get more involved in the management of the companies we own.Yes but that is what most of the "Institutional Investors" are. They dont/wont understand that all businesses have good years and bad years. Sometimes a company has to spend money. They just want you to make X amount of profit above what you did the previous year and if you dont...... Well the Street will not be happy...
You ever see a BH annual meeting? Its an event of epic proportions with entertainment and food no other company ever matched.That’s true but I think it’s why we need to educate people more. Your average American is the owner of TWDC and every other stock in the S&P. We need to get more involved in the management of the companies we own.
Look at Berkshire Hathaway. They have a unique investor base between WB and all the investors who flock to his banner and religiously attend the annual meetings. That’s how it should be for every company.
Absolutely - and it can pay off. Chik-fil-A and In-n-Out are 2 examples - fully private, don’t follow industry trends, and they both make more money per-store than any of their competitors.I will only say that some companies are better left PRIVATE. If you value your business and to some degree your sanity, I understand this more than ever. I understand why our company stayed private for over 50 years.
So what you mean to tell me is Disney needs to have a catered shareholder meeting with mickey preztels and dole whips?? Count me in!!You ever see a BH annual meeting? Its an event of epic proportions with entertainment and food no other company ever matched.
As it should beYou ever see a BH annual meeting? Its an event of epic proportions with entertainment and food no other company ever matched.
Do they provide Blizzards? Serious question, as I know Warren loves owning DQ (and also loves Blizzards).You ever see a BH annual meeting? Its an event of epic proportions with entertainment and food no other company ever matched.
I believe all the brands are representedDo they provide Blizzards? Serious question, as I know Warren loves owning DQ (and also loves Blizzards).
Not defending Disney, but you probably can't read too far into any movement today given the market as whole dropping significantly so far today.Disney cut a chunk of its entertainment workforce yesterday, which typically markets respond well to. Stock’s dropped almost 4% and is below $90 as of this writing.
Any details on this?Disney cut a chunk of its entertainment workforce yesterday,
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