RobidaFlats
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If your goal is not to argue with someone, then writing a post that quotes them and then beginning with "I understand... but..." is not the best method.
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The Ultimate Disney Classics VIP Tour now available at the Magic Kingdom
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If your goal is not to argue with someone, then writing a post that quotes them and then beginning with "I understand... but..." is not the best method.
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LOL. This really is funny though. But, good information. I thought VIP's went straight to the front of the line for all the rides. It still sounds like a good value though.
The backstage access does sound interesting. And, everyone raves about KTTK. I have yet to do a single tour. Maybe in 10 years, lol. Okay, 5.
21stamps
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So in other words.. you mean "don't disagree". Lol.
Yes, you can do all of the rides. But you can't do the "same thing". If you're going for a quick 2 day trip.. 1 day at MK... this could be worth it. Ok maybe not "you", but to other people.. probably a few with small children under 42".
People keep talking about KTTK or backstage access". I don't think a 2-4 year old cares about that.
Of course this tour isn't valuable to adults without kids, or with older kids, or myself with a 49" kid. It's not designed for all of us.. so I think Disney is ok without us joining in.
I think the bigger story here is, what else is changing? The Ultimate Family Day (or whatever it was called) has been off the website for at least a week before this was announced. There is not any Early Morning Magic, Disney After Dark, Star Wars Tour, or anything else for most of April. So are they working on new and/or restructured tours?
That's what's interesting to me.
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RobidaFlats
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You can't possibly be as obtuse in real life as you are on these boards.
You said you weren't arguing with me. I explained that if that was your goal, you probably shouldn't begin posts argumentatively. If it was your intention to express disagreement, then you were in fact arguing. Not that there is anything to disagree with in what I posted. I stated that the cost per hour needed to factor in the number of guests. That is all.
But since you seem so open to suggestions, perhaps you should take some of the time you spend here and reallocate it to studying reading comprehension, logic and articulation.
21stamps
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Wow, I don't know what else to say.
If the words "I understand what you are saying, but,," and a following explanation of the difference in price between the 2 options, is "argumentative" in your eyes.. then yes, we have differing ideas on comprehension, logic, definitions, and how a conversation can even take place.
You clearly are looking for an argument. So.. I'll let you do that alone. Have a good day.
disney4life2008
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I dont understand? LOL. If it included two dining certificates, then yes. Even if it included the wishes party. But this is crap. I can just arrive at the park early or plan my day well enough.
RobidaFlats
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But if you're not here to define the word, how will I know how to find an argument?
Oh, wait, maybe it's you that needs help finding a dictionary. Here, I'll help:
ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
- 1.
an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
"I've had an argument with my father"
synonyms: quarrel, disagreement, squabble, fight, dispute, wrangle, clash, altercation, feud, contretemps, disputation, falling-out; More
- 2.
a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
"there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal"
synonyms: reasoning, justification, explanation, rationalization; More
mouse_luv
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Isn't the point of an argument the fact that it is a disagreement involving two different points of views. So you need 2 people at least. So how can @RobidaFlats do so alone?
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Biff215
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First of all, this shouldn't be called a "tour", and shouldn't be compared to true tours. It's monetizing FP and that should concern all of us. If enough guests are willing to spend $20/FP, particularly where they're not really needed, then it tells Disney it's what guests want. That's a slippery slope IMO.
Secondly, I don't agree that I shouldn't worry about it because it doesn't affect me. If enough guests sign up, it will no doubt affect wait times at these attractions. If Disney doesn't adjust FP distribution, then that line suffers (isn't Pan bad enough already?). If they do lessen FP's for all, then the rest of the guests have fewer options. So much for leveling the playing field with three FP's per day to start.
I realize Disney is targeting the one day guest with young kids and money to burn. They may perceive some value in this if they don't know better, and I feel bad for them. That same $800 for a family of four would be better spent staying a couple nights and enjoying MK and the other parks at their leisure.
This is not the end of the world and has taken different forms over time, but it does concern me as Disney continues to operate like a company in desperation. I truly can't understand the arguments claiming there can be any "value" in this offering.
Secondly, I don't agree that I shouldn't worry about it because it doesn't affect me. If enough guests sign up, it will no doubt affect wait times at these attractions. If Disney doesn't adjust FP distribution, then that line suffers (isn't Pan bad enough already?). If they do lessen FP's for all, then the rest of the guests have fewer options. So much for leveling the playing field with three FP's per day to start.
I realize Disney is targeting the one day guest with young kids and money to burn. They may perceive some value in this if they don't know better, and I feel bad for them. That same $800 for a family of four would be better spent staying a couple nights and enjoying MK and the other parks at their leisure.
This is not the end of the world and has taken different forms over time, but it does concern me as Disney continues to operate like a company in desperation. I truly can't understand the arguments claiming there can be any "value" in this offering.
Angel Ariel
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10 attractions in 4 hours...that's a little more than 2/hr. That's not terrible, especially in a high crowd time period. I wouldn't pay for it personally, but I can see how it would be valuable to some.
ETA: Though this is also essentially monetizing FP...hadn't really thought about it that way (it's been a long week, forgive me
). Can't say I'm a fan of that, but I'm also not surprised to see it. Between this, and DLR's new "MaxPass" option, I'm sure TPTB are just trying to figure out what the best way to monetize FP is, and trying out multiple options. For the moment, at least, it's priced in a way that it shouldn't have too much immediate impact for everyone else.
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If they are laughing at anybody, it is those who defend the hot garbage offerings they continue to spew up.
RustySpork
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Yick, thanks but no thanks.
Luxe
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This is absolutely absurd. It's beyond incredible how hard the pixie dusters work to try and justify the garbage Disney is throwing at us, claiming how much "value" it holds. Do you realize that on top of all of these costs, there is also the park admission cost? $200 for a FP to ride the same rides that have been in the park for decades is NOT a value, no matter how you spin it. With the rising ticket prices, how can you dare claim any of these uncharges are a value?
If Bob Iger ever read these boards, he would be absolutely DELIGHTED at the modern Disney guests that he is cultivating. The kind that will take any garbage you throw at them and pay gobs of money for it. The kind that will praise anything with "Disney" stamped on it, regardless of exorbitant prices. I bet he's laughing all the way to the bank as the pixie dusters clean up the @#$% he's dropping on the way.
How about this crazy idea. Bring your parks up to the standard that was once held for a world class theme park destination. Increase capacity, build more attractions to spread the crowds, provide quality food, improve the CORE EXPERIENCE that you get with the insane ticket prices. Then people wouldn't be so bothered with ticket price increases. Make these extra "experiences" just that... an actual EXPERIENCE that differs from the standard park ticket.
...OR just let the parks go to @#$% instead so the brainless pixie dusters can pay 5x more to receive a downgraded experience and claim incredible "value". That's the Disney of today and if you are ok with that then bless your ignorant soul.
If Bob Iger ever read these boards, he would be absolutely DELIGHTED at the modern Disney guests that he is cultivating. The kind that will take any garbage you throw at them and pay gobs of money for it. The kind that will praise anything with "Disney" stamped on it, regardless of exorbitant prices. I bet he's laughing all the way to the bank as the pixie dusters clean up the @#$% he's dropping on the way.
How about this crazy idea. Bring your parks up to the standard that was once held for a world class theme park destination. Increase capacity, build more attractions to spread the crowds, provide quality food, improve the CORE EXPERIENCE that you get with the insane ticket prices. Then people wouldn't be so bothered with ticket price increases. Make these extra "experiences" just that... an actual EXPERIENCE that differs from the standard park ticket.
...OR just let the parks go to @#$% instead so the brainless pixie dusters can pay 5x more to receive a downgraded experience and claim incredible "value". That's the Disney of today and if you are ok with that then bless your ignorant soul.
RobbinsDad
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But... cabanas!
Lets Respect
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I can see this being appealing to people with little kids and money to burn.
Not for me but if you have the cash to burn go banana.
As for the other tours, i would reccomend KTTK and Backstage Magic. Very informative and well worth the extra cost.
As for the other tours, i would reccomend KTTK and Backstage Magic. Very informative and well worth the extra cost.
mouse_luv
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Exactly this (Points up) Not to mention they don't care that many of us don't want to eat the same crap at almost every QS restaurant in their Parks. Case in point: DBF and I were at the MK the other night and were several days into our vacation, the last thing we wanted was Cosmic Ray's again because there it's Burgers and Fries or Chicken Nuggets(which they changed the quality of and they suck now and made us both very ill), so our next go to would have been Tomorrowland Terrace which had been open most of the week, but nope..it's closed 4 hours early for the stupid Wishes Dessert Party upcharge event, so we would have gone to Pecos, but we can't eat SW food, so that's out. Don't even talk to me about Hot Dogs at Caseys (not that they are bad, they are just not something we eat for medical reasons). So, we are bleep out of luck, and becoming very hangry. We ended up leaving the MK earlier than desired to go back to our room and cook something for ourselves. Sunday night found us in the same situation except I suggested a walk-up to Plaza which ended up working out (Thank goodness!) We usually plan and have ADRs but towards the end of our trip we are usually doing "clean up" per se on things we still had to do in the Parks (which was a lot due to the bigger than expected crowds).
I remember going to WDW and you were lucky if two restaurants in each Park served a similar menu. It's totally frustrating. Get with it Disney, stop charging ridiculous upcharges for the brainless snowflakes and get back to what you were established for and with. Or if you are at least going to have a few frivolous upcharge events, use that money to give us more freaking options for dining, etc!
beachlover4444
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Yep was pretty funny I don't know how people pay for all these extras tours dessert fireworks everything to make a buck it's getting out of hand
beachlover4444
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They ruined pecos bills food. The food quality hasn't gone up like the prices have. I almost prefer a sit down good meal to the quick service options
Minnesota disney fan
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So, is it true that if anyone does this most recent upcharge at $200 per person,they have to pay the 100 plus regular park fee?????
If so, that is just crazy. Why would anyone pay to ride the rides you can do with somewhat of a wait? Are we getting that impatient as WDW guests? I remember waiting in line for every attraction, and it was not the end of the world. I think it is right that WDW is using this to test the waters for a high priced fp system.
If so, that is just crazy. Why would anyone pay to ride the rides you can do with somewhat of a wait? Are we getting that impatient as WDW guests? I remember waiting in line for every attraction, and it was not the end of the world. I think it is right that WDW is using this to test the waters for a high priced fp system.