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[Animaniac93-98]

And who in the hell green lit Honey, I Shrunk the Audience years after that franchise peaked? Another waste.

Audience opened 5 years after Kids, and 2 after I Blew Up the Kid.

It wasn't that long after and these things take time to make.

Shrek, in comparison, opened 3 years after the first movie.

 

[jt04]

Wall Street is nervous with the Price Leveraging strategy employed by Disney over the last few years. It's one of the reasons they keep asking about MyMagic+; to see that WDW is doing anything to generate new revenue besides just raising prices.

They've already seen the impact of higher prices (actually, less generous discounts) on hotel occupancy, dropping from 89% in 2008 to 79% last year. Keep in mind that WDW hotel occupancy was 76% in the 12 months immediately after 9/11, and that was an abysmal time for WDW.

They know theme park prices can go up only so far until there will be an impact on attendance.

Just keep in mind this chart that I've posted before. WDW really is pushing the limits.

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You can get discount tickets near the citrus stand.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Between snow, rumors of snow, and really cold weather, every week they have called off at least one day each week. Granted it has been cold but in my day that meant layer up, walk fast, and don't stay outside. And we have snow, I have so much snow that I have rabbits eating out of my bird feeder. (and the rabbits are not exceptionally tall).

Jessica Rabbit is very tall. Fantastic legs.

 

[Funmeister]

Audience opened 5 years after Kids, and 2 after I Blew Up the Kid.

It wasn't that long after and these things take time to make.

Shrek, in comparison, opened 3 years after the first movie.

Correct but the popularity of HISTA already began to decline even when the attraction was in development. Does not matter if they worked on it a year or five years after the first film. It should not have been made based on the declining popularity.

I am not debating opening dates of attractions with movie release dates. HISTA was already on the decline. The Shrek attraction film should have not been released as a bonus DVD feature. Not sure why you quoted the info you did. Has nothing to do with what I was saying.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Correct but the popularity of HISTA already began to decline even when the attraction was in development. Does not matter if they worked on it a year or five years after the first film. It should not have been made based on the declining popularity.

I am not debating opening dates of attractions with movie release dates. HISTA was already on the decline. The Shrek attraction film should have not been released as a bonus DVD feature. Not sure why you quoted the info you did. Has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Besides the sequel, what existed to suggest the populairty of the first movie dropped in any way? Video sales? Rentals? Of course those will drop off after their initial release (and Kids was #1 in sales for weeks). There was the first movie, then the playground, then the second, then the 3D attraction. The attraction was likely in development around the same time the sequel was in production, so it would not have been know at the time how the sequel would perform. This also ignores the logic of ride popularity can be indepedent of the movies and Disney's continued use of the property afterwords (the TV show and direct-to-video movie).

Disney also probably felt comfortable with the project knowing it was largely a fefurb of an existing theatre space, and therefore, not as expensive a risk as a newly built attraction.

 

[Goofyernmost]

You know...one thing that always confused me about Shrek was shortly after they opened the attraction they included the same movie as a bonus add-on to a Shrek DVD release. Sure it wasn't 3-D and did not have in-theater effects but why? Bad move in my opinion. And who in the hell green lit Honey, I Shrunk the Audience years after that franchise peaked? Another waste.

I'm thinking that particular review is completely personal taste. I have been going to Shrek since it opened and make it a point to see it again every time I go. Heck, the preshow is worth the wait alone. I have noticed though that fewer and fewer people pay any attention to the preshow. They talk right through it and miss the jokes and the fun. Oh, well... whatever, I guess!

 

[Funmeister]

I'm thinking that particular review is completely personal taste. I have been going to Shrek since it opened and make it a point to see it again every time I go. Heck, the preshow is worth the wait alone. I have noticed though that fewer and fewer people pay any attention to the preshow. They talk right through it and miss the jokes and the fun. Oh, well... whatever, I guess!

No...has nothing to do with personal taste. Is this thing on? What does taste have to do with the fact they put the SAME ATTRACTION FILM on a DVD?

Let's say they make a new movie for Muppets 3D. You love it. You are excited. You finally get to experience the attraction only to realize you have already seen the movie on a Muppets DVD a few months prior. That is not a question of taste but a question of business decision.

 

[SJN1279]

You can be 100% sure that UNI outsells Disney on Marvel merchandise by a HUGE margin. Disney tried selling it in WDW parks and that didn't last long. Hell, the stuff sat at the outlet stores at 30-70% off pricing. Now, I only see it at 2-3 locales at DD. ... And UNI is making a bundle on selling it at its resort. Again, only fanbois think UNI gives a damn where the royalty/licensing checks wind up. The reality of the business is they don't.

Disney doesn't need WDW to make money off of Marvel. The Marvel movies are doing gangbusters at the box office, an arena show debuts this summer in the US and Canada, not to mention the traveling Marvel Experience which will sure to be a huge moneymaker. That is on top of the worldwide presence Marvel will have at Disney themeparks.

 

[Funmeister]

Besides the sequel, what existed to suggest the populairty of the first movie dropped in any way? Video sales? Rentals? Of course those will drop off after their initial release (and Kids was #1 in sales for weeks). There was the first movie, then the playground, then the second, then the 3D attraction. The attraction was likely in development around the same time the sequel was in production, so it would not have been know at the time how the sequel would perform. This also ignores the logic of ride popularity can be indepedent of the movies and Disney's continued use of the property afterwords (the TV show and direct-to-video movie).

Disney also probably felt comfortable with the project knowing it was largely a fefurb of an existing theatre space, and therefore, not as expensive a risk as a newly built attraction.

Not an expensive risk? The ENTIRE pavilion was re-themed to support the theme of the movie. Heard of the Imagination Institute? Wow. Gutting and digging out the floor to install a shaker table? Yeah...thats a cheap refurb. LOL I am going to end this discussion now because it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Not an expensive risk? The ENTIRE pavilion was re-themed to support the theme of the movie. Heard of the Imagination Institute? Wow. Gutting and digging out the floor to install a shaker table? Yeah...thats a cheap refurb. LOL I am going to end this discussion now because it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

You were talking about Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, not the Imagination pavilion makeover that happened 5 years later. If that's what you meant, you should have said that. I can't read your mind, only what you post. There's no need to be an .

"And who in the hell green lit Honey, I Shrunk the Audience years after that franchise peaked? Another waste."

 

[willtravel]

Between snow, rumors of snow, and really cold weather, every week they have called off at least one day each week. Granted it has been cold but in my day that meant layer up, walk fast, and don't stay outside. And we have snow, I have so much snow that I have rabbits eating out of my bird feeder. (and the rabbits are not exceptionally tall).

Do your kids have to make up the missed school time when school has been closed because of weather?

 

[Funmeister]

You were talking about Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, not the Imagination pavilion makeover that happened 5 years later. If that's what you meant, you should have said that. I can't read your mind, only what you post. There's no need to be an .

"And who in the hell green lit Honey, I Shrunk the Audience years after that franchise peaked? Another waste."

HISTA WAS part of the Imagination makeover. Not to mention they included clones of it (with the expensive shaker tables) in other Disney parks.

 

[Nubs70]

Do your kids have to make up the missed school time when school has been closed because of weather?

Sure do. They pre load the year with 4 days to burn. If the exceed the burn days, the excess time gets added to the end of the year. Some districts add full days others add extra minutes to each remaining day so they meet the required time without incurring the labor overhead involved in extending by full days.

 

[willtravel]

Sure do. They pre load the year with 4 days to burn. If the exceed the burn days, the excess time gets added to the end of the year. Some districts add full days others add extra minutes to each remaining day so they meet the required time without incurring the labor overhead involved in extending by full days.

I was just wondering. They do that here in my state also. Schools around me are open for presidents day. They are considering shortening spring break also. Just surprised your kids have a week off now.

 

[Goofyernmost]

No...has nothing to do with personal taste. Is this thing on? What does taste have to do with the fact they put the SAME ATTRACTION FILM on a DVD?

Let's say they make a new movie for Muppets 3D. You love it. You are excited. You finally get to experience the attraction only to realize you have already seen the movie on a Muppets DVD a few months prior. That is not a question of taste but a question of business decision.

I understand that but (is this thing on) I believe I said that I go to it every time I visit Uni. What's the difference EXCEPT that instead of just watching it, it's in 3D and there are special effects. I don't see it as a significant problem or at least not sufficient enough to be called a bad business decision. It's been very popular and it is still there (at least for now) so it couldn't have been all bad.

 

[DisneyGentleman]

I agree with raising prices if the value increases. They can do that by adding more attractions or improving quality. Neither seem to be on the forefront.

Disney is applying their own Imagineering to this simple principle by increasing scarcity to drive up revenue.

The role of MM+ is to make desired attractions more scarce, spread the visitors across less popular attractions and eventually to upcharge for desired attractions.

It's all a race to see if they can attract enough unsophisticated customers to make the strategy pay off.

 

[Rodan75]

One final question before I call it a Spirited night, but anyone have first-hand knowledge of what the crowds are like at WDW (and/or UNI and/or SWO) on this holiday weekend?

Was there on Saturday after getting off the Fantasy. The Parks were mobbed. FP+ is creating weird dynamics in the parks. Stand by lines are shorter and FP+ is very slow at checking in at some rides (Everest), super quick at others (Soarin).

Overall felt busier than Thanksgiving week.

 

[CDavid]

Let's say they make a new movie for Muppets 3D. You love it. You are excited. You finally get to experience the attraction only to realize you have already seen the movie on a Muppets DVD a few months prior. That is not a question of taste but a question of business decision.

While not the same as an official release on DVD or other media, full video of basically every attraction in a park is freely available to all of us at home (Youtube) anyway, so I'm not sure how much of a difference its going to make. Any film-based attraction, like HISTA, is a different matter than a ride through of Space Mountain or something, but it can still be argued than seeing video "previews" of attractions (even completely presented attractions) will build interest to experience the actual attraction just as much as the idea that it lessens the experience by having seen it at home.

They pre load the year with 4 days to burn. If the exceed the burn days, the excess time gets added to the end of the year.

Thirteen extra days are added to the school calendar around here; They've missed 15 this year so far.

 

[stevehousse]

While not the same as an official release on DVD or other media, full video of basically every attraction in a park is freely available to all of us at home (Youtube) anyway, so I'm not sure how much of a difference its going to make. Any film-based attraction, like HISTA, is a different matter than a ride through of Space Mountain or something, but it can still be argued than seeing video "previews" of attractions (even completely presented attractions) will build interest to experience the actual attraction just as much as the idea that it lessens the experience by having seen it at home.



Thirteen extra days are added to the school calendar around here; They've missed 15 this year so far.

That's a crazy about of school to miss and sucks they hve to go for that much longer!

Where I live, they have alternative days off. So if they miss school, it isn't tacked onto the end of the year. My sisters HS had to go to school on MLK day and they have to go tomorrow and don't get pres day off. They have missed 4 days of school by her this year due to the weather.

 

[jlsHouston]

Was there on Saturday after getting off the Fantasy. The Parks were mobbed. FP+ is creating weird dynamics in the parks. Stand by lines are shorter and FP+ is very slow at checking in at some rides (Everest), super quick at others (Soarin).

Overall felt busier than Thanksgiving week.

Ugh, spring break is going to be....a challenge ?