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[MerlinTheGoat]

There's also space next to Space Mountain for expansion besides the CM parking area. Thanks @marni1971 for the pic.
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Ah so that land CAN be used. I wasn't sure. I was looking at google maps and there's a smallish body of water there (apparently fed into from the canal) that I wasn't sure was important or not to leave alone. I now assume from Martin's confirmation that it would be feasible to rework or even relocate to use as a healthy expansion plot.

I was previously looking at the land to the immediate north of Space Mountain, though i can't tell if it's suitable for expansion (there is a canal running alongside the train track and a larger body of water above it).

 

[PhotoDave219]

If I want thrill, I will go to Cedar Fair properties. Kicks the Krap out of all the Universal and Disney offerings. I don't go
to Disney for thrills. You honestly say the best attended park in the world needs 3 to 4 thrill rides? Is that a want or a need? All we need is another reason for even more people to go to MK. The crowds are too light . . .

Which Mk have you been going to? That place is slammed.

 

[Mike S]

Ah so that land CAN be used. I wasn't sure. I was looking at google maps and there's a smallish body of water there (apparently fed into from the canal) that I wasn't sure was important or not to leave alone. I now assume from Martin's confirmation that it would be feasible to rework or even relocate to use as a healthy expansion plot.

I was previously looking at the land to the immediate north of Space Mountain, though i can't tell if it's suitable for expansion (there is a canal running alongside the train track and a larger body of water above it).

Martin did say that body of water was moved once before to build Space Mountain so it could be moved again. There's a lot of space they can use in Magic Kingdom but they refuse to do so.

 

[Gabe1]

They replaced Kong with The Mummy which I could not ride because I wasn't one of the beautiful people that could fit in the vehicle. They did the same thing with HP. They cut out a large (excuse the pun) part of the population from ever experiencing it. I am not impressed.

If you read some of the trip reports, some of the guests of size are not fitting on Dwarf due to the configuration of the safety rail. They are given a FP+ to any other attraction for the denied boarding. Disney did not learn from Uni's mistake, they just duplicated it.

 

[TP2000]

Is it wrong for me to want Fire Mountain, an IJA clone, Bald Mountain and a Tomorrowland E-ticket? MK should eventually equal DL in attraction count.

I agree.

But to be fair to Magic Kingdom Park, Disneyland has four extra E Tickets over Magic Kingdom, and while three of those are thrill rides with 40" to 46" height requirements, two of them are found in other WDW parks (Star Tours at DHS, and Indiana Jones Adventure = DAK's Dinosaur, and yes I know I'm being very generous).

Disneyland Park - 46 Attractions, 34 are Rides
11 are E Tickets, 6 of which are thrill rides with height requirements between 40" and 46"

Magic Kingdom Park - 36 Attractions, 25 are Rides
7 are E Tickets, 3 of which are thrill rides with height requirements between 40" and 44"

And that tally is after New Fantasyland opened. Magic Kingdom could do with some additional thrill rides, IMO.

How did you get 42 attractions for MK @mahnamahna101 ? I only counted the Main Street Vehicles as one attraction in both Disneyland and MK, instead of counting them as four separate attractions. Are you including stage shows like Dream Along With Mickey?

 

[Next Big Thing]

Tomorrowland has to be next on the radar for projects at MK. It's one of the main areas of the park that is really in desperate need of help and a complete retheme. It's just a mixed bag of attractions and IPs right now, they need to create a cohesive and FUTURISTIC feel throughout the land. Maybe the Tomorrowland film will spark something. Or maybe the Tron Coaster will prove popular enough to be cloned (although the Tron coaster is what the rumored Star Wars attraction would be, so it's probably unlikely)

 

[John]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the OP has been MIA for sometime now? Where ol' where is @WDW1974 ?

 

[AEfx]

Martin did say that body of water was moved once before to build Space Mountain so it could be moved again. There's a lot of space they can use in Magic Kingdom but they refuse to do so.
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That picture also shows a massive plot of land that could house 2-3 attractions if they re-purposed it, and they wouldn't have to move an inch of water.

It's controversial because some folks have such nostalgia for it - but it's an eyesore, noise polluter, and replicated all across the country in virtually every theme park one way or another.

 

[trr1]

could they use the area of land west of the magic kingdom monorail station next to the canal behind jungle cruise?

 

[mahnamahna101]

I agree.

But to be fair to Magic Kingdom Park, Disneyland has four extra E Tickets over Magic Kingdom, and while three of those are thrill rides with 40" to 46" height requirements, two of them are found in other WDW parks (Star Tours at DHS, and Indiana Jones Adventure = DAK's Dinosaur, and yes I know I'm being very generous).

Disneyland Park - 46 Attractions, 34 are Rides
11 are E Tickets, 6 of which are thrill rides with height requirements between 40" and 46"

Magic Kingdom Park - 36 Attractions, 25 are Rides
7 are E Tickets, 3 of which are thrill rides with height requirements between 40" and 44"

And that tally is after New Fantasyland opened. Magic Kingdom could do with some additional thrill rides, IMO.

How did you get 42 attractions for MK @mahnamahna101 ? I only counted the Main Street Vehicles as one attraction in both Disneyland and MK, instead of counting them as four separate attractions. Are you including stage shows like Dream Along With Mickey?

Yes, I counted stage shows and parades I'm pretty sure Disneyland has 57 attractions if you include stage shows and parades.

Either way, there's still a 10 attraction gap.

1. Fire Mountain - 48"
2. Indiana Jones Adventure (with brand new layout... maybe a mixture of JttCotE at DisneySea and the original?) - 46"
3. Aladdin show (in new Agrabah mini-land. Carpets are relocated here)
4. Western River Expedition (Frontierland indoor family raft ride) - all ages
5. Golden Horseshoe Revue (reopened)
6. The Legend of Sleepy Hollow (either a show or dark ride) - all ages
7. Bald Mountain (indoor/outdoor thrill coaster) - 54"
8. Jolly Holiday with Mary Poppins (dark ride in PPF's old building) - all ages
9. Peter Pan's Flight (new version in Neverland mini-land) - all ages
10. Pixie Hollow (water play area)
11. Pixie Hollow flat ride (Mater's Junkyard Jamboree esque) - 32"
12. Caterpillar retheme of Barnstormer
13. Alice's Curious Labyrinth - all ages
14. relocated Mad Tea Party (in Wonderland mini-land behind IASW/Mermaid)
15. B&TB dark ride (trackless) - all ages
16. Pinocchio mini-shoot-the-chutes - 38"
17. Casey Jr. Circus Train - all ages
18. TRON E-ticket - 44"
19. GotG replacement for Stitch - 40"
20. Tomorrowland family dark ride - all ages
21. Flying Saucers (high capacity mini-dark ride version) - 32"
22. Wreck-it Ralph E-ticket - 40"
23. BH6 replaces Buzz - all ages
24. WALL-E replaces Laugh Floor - all ages
25. Lunar Rovers (futuristic/sci-fi Autopia) - all ages (54" to drive)

With enough reworking of backstage (might be a bit costly), all of this could fit into MK. Replacements and relocations are included.

 

[gmajew]

So I know this is off topic but this thread has been off topic lately. LOL. I was in target this weekend and two of the workers were talking about their favorite Disney Characters growing up. Now to give you the background they were probably 19-22 years old. I was for sure expecting to hear Mickey, Goofy or Donald. Maybe even Aladin, or Little Mermaid.... But they both said Stich! I was shocked! Then I thought about it and it made a little bit of sense to me as that was hot when they were growing up.... It then made sense to me why Disney still uses this Character.

So Maybe Disney knows more then me after all! Lol

 

[the.dreamfinder]

So I know this is off topic but this thread has been off topic lately. LOL. I was in target this weekend and two of the workers were talking about their favorite Disney Characters growing up. Now to give you the background they were probably 19-22 years old. I was for sure expecting to hear Mickey, Goofy or Donald. Maybe even Aladin, or Little Mermaid.... But they both said Stich! I was shocked! Then I thought about it and it made a little bit of sense to me as that was hot when they were growing up.... It then made sense to me why Disney still uses this Character.

So Maybe Disney knows more then me after all! Lol

Given the age range you provided, they were about 7-10 years old when stitch came out. That's quite an impressionable age when you see something on the big screen. Perhaps Disney should realize those characters don't have quite the effect when watching on a VCR then and an iPhone/iPad now.

 

[Goofyernmost]

If you read some of the trip reports, some of the guests of size are not fitting on Dwarf due to the configuration of the safety rail. They are given a FP+ to any other attraction for the denied boarding. Disney did not learn from Uni's mistake, they just duplicated it.

There's always going to be someone that isn't going to fit in a ride, at Uni or at Disney. There are some very big people out there. I am overweight, but, not hugely. I should be able to fit, sometimes snugly, in anything and at Disney I can. At Universal I cannot.

 

[gmajew]

You would be right except my 7 year old loves stich! I always thought he was crazy but the kid loves them he you tubes old cartoons of him to watch all the time. So maybe us adults just don't need to realize the youth of today are going to like different things then we do...

 

[Gabe1]

There's always going to be someone that isn't going to fit in a ride, at Uni or at Disney. There are some very big people out there. I am overweight, but, not hugely. I should be able to fit, sometimes snugly, in anything and at Disney I can. At Universal I cannot.

This is an odd design to the seats described best as seats being bucket and the size of a Disney bus seat and as close together as bus seats. The rows have two independent lap bars however they have poles that go down on each side of the thigh. The leg space and seat space is much smaller than Everest. Basically if the tushie is much larger than the bucket seat on bus it isn't going to be a pleasant ride when the lap bar goes down. But the real problem is the legs, if thighs are thick they must fit in between those two bars, if the thighs are thicker than the dimension width of the bars the bar will not go down. Unlike other thrill rides where guests bodies can move into 'others' space, because of the bucket seat and newly designed lap bar guests are limited to their assigned square inches unlike Splash were guests have some other options to make use of additional space within the row.

My point was more to your calling Uni out on Mummy and Potter for issues with people of size and praising Disney where in truth Disney is going to have to also fix at least some of the Dwarf vehicles to accommodate guests of size. At first blush my solution is to have a row or two with flat seats vs bucket and a single lap bar like Splash to accommodate guests of size. Uni did make adjustments for Potter so I have no doubt Disney can and will address this blunder.

 

[WildcatDen]

Is it wrong for me to want

Need and want are two different things. I just think the other three Disney Orlando parks NEED more attractions (both E and other) more than the MK needs anything else at this point. Parks like Cedar Point and King Island seem to add a major ride every year or two. For them, this may be a need more than a want since they are competing directly with other amusement parks, both local and national.

So, no, it is not wrong for you to want, not wrong at all.

 

[WildcatDen]

Which Mk have you been going to? That place is slammed.

Oh, I smell what the @PhotoDave219 is cooking, believe me. And for the record, I have been going to that MK down in Florida (not as often as I would like). Still hoping to swing a trip in the next three years (wonder what will be open at Disney by then?) that would include a few days at UNI and maybe 1 or 2 out at the Beach. One can dream, right?

 

[mahnamahna101]

Need and want are two different things. I just think the other three Disney Orlando parks NEED more attractions (both E and other) more than the MK needs anything else at this point. Parks like Cedar Point and King Island seem to add a major ride every year or two. For them, this may be a need more than a want since they are competing directly with other amusement parks, both local and national.

So, no, it is not wrong for you to want, not wrong at all.

Absolutely

DHS needs its makeover - $1.5 billion-$2 billion dedicated to fixing the park and adding new rides
AK needs a Dinoland makeover, some sort of family dark ride, RoL and Pandora (really more attractions) - $1 billion to $1.5 billion as well

Epcot could use some updates to Future World, an Imagination overhaul, a brand new pavilion to replace the old WoL building, and maybe something kid friendly for TT and M:S. WS could use a new country and some sort of E-ticket but it's seen as a "drink around the world all day" place right now so it's secondary. - $500 million to $1 billion.

MK is at the bottom, but there is some issues that eventually need to be addressed. No thrill ride/weenie for Adventureland. No all-ages rides in Frontierland. The bottleneck in Frontierland/LS/Fantasyland. Tomorrowland in general. Bald Mountain would finally give Fantasyland a true E-ticket. But those are just things to add at some point.

 

[PhotoDave219]

MK is slammed because animal Kingdom and Hollywood studios are not drawing the crowds away.

People are going to Magic Kingdom or some other wizarding place instead.

I think that parks and resorts has recognize this problem and is trying in the ways they know how to rectify it - try promotional stuff up first, and then as a last resort actually throw some money in the parks. Animal kingdom will be fine, I still think they need more animal programs but that's just me because people go to animal kingdom to see… Animals. Pandas, despite everybody's little dream there, will never happen. China will never let it happen… Although I think it would be fantastic if they did I mean we did build them at Disneyland in the middle of their capital city so giving us to pandas would be perfect… but with the avatar expansion in the rivers of lights and so forth, rentable kingdom (that was actually a voice to text error, but I'm not sure it was that much of a mistake) should continue to be a half-day to three-quarter day park.

The studios will likely based on everything we've seen happened in the past year, will become a giant construction project. It is desperately needed. The place needs a giant makeover and all signs are pointing to it happening. It's just going to take a bit of time.

Disney Springs? It's beginning to look good. Maybe I would see more of it if they would get the damn parking garage open so I can actually get my car in there without having to walk a mile first. Verdict is still out there… But despite the traffic nightmare, guests are still packing that place.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Absolutely

DHS needs its makeover - $1.5 billion-$2 billion dedicated to fixing the park and adding new rides
AK needs a Dinoland makeover, some sort of family dark ride, RoL and Pandora (really more attractions) - $1 billion to $1.5 billion as well

Epcot could use some updates to Future World, an Imagination overhaul, a brand new pavilion to replace the old WoL building, and maybe something kid friendly for TT and M:S. WS could use a new country and some sort of E-ticket but it's seen as a "drink around the world all day" place right now so it's secondary. - $500 million to $1 billion.

MK is at the bottom, but there is some issues that eventually need to be addressed. No thrill ride/weenie for Adventureland. No all-ages rides in Frontierland. The bottleneck in Frontierland/LS/Fantasyland. Tomorrowland in general. Bald Mountain would finally give Fantasyland a true E-ticket. But those are just things to add at some point.

The wonders of life building will continue to remain a festival center as it makes more money as a festival center then it does as an actual pavilion.

That's the mentality of the good folks at parks and resorts… And it irritates the living crap out of me.