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Fe Maiden

Well-Known Member
The negative PR surrounding the recent controversies will hurt the NFL's bargaining position when they renegotiate their broadcasting deals.

You don't actually believe that do you? There's no way the NFL is going to get a dollar less than what they want in the next round of negotiations. Let's be honest, they're going to get a boat-load more.

Forget Radisson and their local deal with the Vikings. Budweiser and Pepsi sent a stern message to the NFL that they don't approve, yet somehow they didn't pull one cent of advertising dollars. Why? Two reasons: Coors and Coke. I'm not sure there's a person dumb enough at Budweiser or Pepsi to even suggest they end their partnerships with the NFL. I'd imagine just thinking it would be a fireable offense.

And unless it comes out that half the NFL owners support ISIS and the other half are members of NAMBLA, I'm pretty sure neither Bud or Pepsi is going to get a discount on their sponsorship deals the next time either.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
You don't actually believe that do you? There's no way the NFL is going to get a dollar less than what they want in the next round of negotiations. Let's be honest, they're going to get a boat-load more.

Forget Radisson and their local deal with the Vikings. Budweiser and Pepsi sent a stern message to the NFL that they don't approve, yet somehow they didn't pull one cent of advertising dollars. Why? Two reasons: Coors and Coke. I'm not sure there's a person dumb enough at Budweiser or Pepsi to even suggest they end their partnerships with the NFL. I'd imagine just thinking it would be a fireable offense.

And unless it comes out that half the NFL owners support ISIS and the other half are members of NAMBLA, I'm pretty sure neither Bud or Pepsi is going to get a discount on their sponsorship deals the next time either.
What's wrong with being part of the North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes? ;)
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I read this on my train into work today:

Its a convenient argument for the content providers... scolding the ISPs for not providing 100% one to one access for their customers when that's never been the networking model... ever. The network has always been oversubscribed. The peering model of old was based on mutual benefit. I'll trade you my traffic for your traffic.. because we both need to cross back and forth. The relationship was mostly quid pro pro. But companies like netflix are not in that same boat... they are a different beast.. yet they want the same 'free' access. ISPs (for various reasons.. not all saint-ly) have finally started to say no.. the old model doesn't apply to you. Companies like L3 in the middle advocating for Netflix are doing it because it's in their own self-interest as a intermediate. They can't sell their collos and bandwidth to customers like Netflix if they can't promote they have the best access.

Bits are cheap.. but they aren't free.. and they also aren't uniform. That's why companies like L3 existed in the first place.
 

RSoxNo1

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I've always loved Simmons and as an ex pat from Boston, certainly no small part of that is his bias, however I don't think they'd have suspended him had he just called Goodell a liar and not gone further with a few F bombs and then baiting ESPN to call him on it. Though I appreciated him more when he was a little more toned down on Page 2. Bill has gotten a little too big for himself, maybe 3 weeks off will bring him back down to earth.
He has sworn on his podcast before and sometimes it hasn't been bleeped out. I find it hard to believe that the swearing has anything to do with it. Simmons looks good. ESPN looks bad. Roger Goodell looks worse. Anytime you come down on the side of the abuser you have a hard case to make. In this situation Simmons is the only one that isn't giving Ray Rice any slack.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
You don't actually believe that do you? There's no way the NFL is going to get a dollar less than what they want in the next round of negotiations. Let's be honest, they're going to get a boat-load more.

Forget Radisson and their local deal with the Vikings. Budweiser and Pepsi sent a stern message to the NFL that they don't approve, yet somehow they didn't pull one cent of advertising dollars. Why? Two reasons: Coors and Coke. I'm not sure there's a person dumb enough at Budweiser or Pepsi to even suggest they end their partnerships with the NFL. I'd imagine just thinking it would be a fireable offense.

And unless it comes out that half the NFL owners support ISIS and the other half are members of NAMBLA, I'm pretty sure neither Bud or Pepsi is going to get a discount on their sponsorship deals the next time either.
Once again, South Park did a great job making fun of the situation last night.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
and meetings, never forget the manager meetings!
Pretty sure @Lee and @WDW1974 have joked about how WDW managers and high executives love to waste time by doing meetings.
I can't remember the Imagineer that he was talking about, but it was someone that moved fairly recently from Imagineering to Universal Creative (not Surrell). Jim Hill had a quote from him saying that Imagineering they have a lot of meetings. At Universal Creative they build things.
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
He has sworn on his podcast before and sometimes it hasn't been bleeped out. I find it hard to believe that the swearing has anything to do with it. Simmons looks good. ESPN looks bad. Roger Goodell looks worse. Anytime you come down on the side of the abuser you have a hard case to make. In this situation Simmons is the only one that isn't giving Ray Rice any slack.
I agree with you. ESPN does look bad in this. I'm sure someone at ESPN was taking some stern finger shaking from the NFL and they took this action to ease the tensions between them after all the hammering Outside the Lines gave the NFL.
I am not at all saying I agree with this move, but just that something like this was happening behind closed doors.
This is a pretty good article on the situation, if you haven't already read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...illion-relationship-between-the-nfl-and-espn/
 

FigmentJedi

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Jim Hill just got some press kit for the new Star Wars show that's some serious snark bait for people who don't like him.

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Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Its a convenient argument for the content providers... scolding the ISPs for not providing 100% one to one access for their customers when that's never been the networking model... ever. The network has always been oversubscribed. The peering model of old was based on mutual benefit. I'll trade you my traffic for your traffic.. because we both need to cross back and forth. The relationship was mostly quid pro pro. But companies like netflix are not in that same boat... they are a different beast.. yet they want the same 'free' access. ISPs (for various reasons.. not all saint-ly) have finally started to say no.. the old model doesn't apply to you. Companies like L3 in the middle advocating for Netflix are doing it because it's in their own self-interest as a intermediate. They can't sell their collos and bandwidth to customers like Netflix if they can't promote they have the best access.

Bits are cheap.. but they aren't free.. and they also aren't uniform. That's why companies like L3 existed in the first place.

Netflix also paid for better traffic but it's only the consumer that gets truly shafted.
 

choco choco

Well-Known Member
Do imagineers even do any work nowadays?

I'm not even sure what Imagineering does nowadays can still be called "Imagineering" in the strict sense of the term. They certainly aren't designing new worlds or environments, or creating unique stories or characters to populate those worlds...they are simply copying all the production design and existing plot and characters from film.

They're more like...."people who convert film stuff into physical props." Or you know, those people who make Chinese knock-offs by looking at a picture of a Ming Vase or Nike Shoe or Gucci bag or something and making a really convincing but cheap re-creation of it.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I'm not even sure what Imagineering does nowadays can still be called "Imagineering" in the strict sense of the term. They certainly aren't designing new worlds or environments, or creating unique stories or characters to populate those worlds...they are simply copying all the production design and existing plot and characters from film.

They're more like...."people who convert film stuff into physical props." Or you know, those people who make Chinese knock-offs by looking at a picture of a Ming Vase or Nike Shoe or Gucci bag or something and making a really convincing but cheap re-creation of it.
they might be designing nonstop. But the executives that select which project goes ahead might be just punching every single project to the toilet.
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
I'm glad you put "personalities" in quotes. Those guys (at least the ones I've seen in there on Sundays) are characters. Actors.

They ain't sayin' nothing controversial.

Depends on what 'characters' you are speaking of.

I know some of them personally (don't tell that AngryDisneyfan twit who got all bent out of shape over my connections with some Lost personalities that you personally know is total BS!)
 

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