Mike S
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Or better yet, no IP and just give us Beastly Kingdom already. On the rest, dang. We better hope Avatar does amazingly then. But with another fragmented opening I just don't see it happening.
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GoofGoof
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On a positive note FLE has driven attendance increases at MK despite getting average to below average reviews from a lot of the fan community. The Frozen summer thing which got ripped as being cheesy, half assed and thrown together on the fly apparently helped DHS attendance this summer. Based on the low bar set, even if Av Land is just average it's likely to drive attendance up at DAK and WDW when it opens. It's almost a sure thing to be a success at least in the short term. Let's hope that's enough to add pressure for more construction.
lazyboy97o
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The problem though is that pressure will be to build based not on story and experience, but box office revenue.
RSoxNo1
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This doesn't tell the full story about DAK though. The plan was to have other things opening the same year. This included Test Track, a Great Movie Redo and David Copperfield's Magical Underground. Only Test Track opened in the first year of DAK, and that only had soft openings in December 98.
Comparatively, when MGM opened, Norway, Wonders of Life, and Mickey's Birthdayland all opened within the same year. There is a great series of articles that Jim Hill wrote a while ago about the plans for the Animal Kingdom and why Beastly Kingdom isn't getting built.
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2001/01/01/309.aspx
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2001/01/01/310.aspx
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2001/01/01/311.aspx
lebeau
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lebeau
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Unfortunately the lesson Disney will learn is that their clientele will settle for mediocrity.
CDavid
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I think many of us are expecting the primary 'success' of Avatar will be simply to provide more things to do - for guests who are mostly already coming anyway - in a park notoriously short on attractions. Since Animal Kingdom will have something new when Pandora opens, and presumably the rest of the WDW parks still won't, the cannibalization of park attendance may be worse. Probably a few people will also opt for this 'new thing' at Disney rather than Universal or Sea World, but given the poor choice of IP, I do not expect it to be a major factor in guests planning extra trips (or days) to central Florida. Carsland, Potter, and even New Fantasyland present a marketing appeal which Avatar lacks.
A major addition to Animal Kingdom is indeed what the park needs, so in that respect it is the right thing to do. But even for all the help it provides AK, Disney is all too likely to see it as a failure if they are expecting it to drive significant increases in total attendance (though presumably we'll see Star Wars land regardless, and the difference in attendance 'bumps' between it and Avatar will be night and day).
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Maybe so. I'm not unhappy with FLE like a lot of people here (it has some drawbacks, but overall is a pretty solid addition). If Avland ends up on the same level as FLE and that's settling for mediocrity then I'll take it over the next CEO not investing a dime in WDW for his whole tenure.
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A major component in the park (a 100% licensed deal) will be Star Trek (which I'm sure you know I am much more fond of than George Lucas Iger's Star Wars). A lot of the UNI fanbois have been aTwitter about Star Trek coming to UNI in O-Town and all I can say is ''Not yet,'' at least according to my insiders who have been right just about 100% of the time. Of course, ST could appear overseas (there's a development in Jordan, the Red Sea Astarium that has a Star Trek area including a film being produced by Bad Robot moving forward) and at UNI in the USA.
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A friend checked out the Newport Bay Club at DLP and reports good things about the top to bottom redo ... an actual rebuilding of the resort. Trust me, you have never seen any Disney resort anywhere look as bad as this place had been.
Hey Marvel Fanbois, did you note that Spidey himself attacked Sony this week for their cutting what he felt were crucial parts of Spidey 2 this year? I still haven't seen that film. Looks like a good inflight film.
Friends out west report that Duffy is being marginalized at DLR and ''will almost certainly'' fade away in the next year.
I may well not be around, but when @wdwmagic puts news out on the next upcharge events for Christmas season at WDW (at least two parks right now look like a done deal), please think of me in your hearts (or pants)!
Tropical rains in Florida, now? Yep. It's September ... summer isn't over for almost two more months.
Who would have thought that nicest Wendy's in the world just got built on the site of a ghetto unit outside the world famous Sawgrass Mills Outlet Mall (and Spa!) in lovely and very corrupt Sunrise, Fl.?
Hey, I can't make news up about WDW ... talk is slow ... I muse so long as I breathe.
I will likely be away from these MAGICal waters for the foreseeable future due to a family health crisis.
Why I hate social media? Read this:
http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/guys-...verything-thats-wrong-911-brand-tweets-160060
Did you notice that there are about five threads here talking about Apple toys now? Do you think that would be the case if Disney was doing exciting things in Florida?
I was a bit shocked to see the Paramount Pictures theme park in Spain is going forward to the point that land has been cleared and construction is supposed to begin shortly (and, apparently, the UK park isn't dead yet either). They say the Murcia park will open in 2016, but I find that very hard to believe.
A major component in the park (a 100% licensed deal) will be Star Trek (which I'm sure you know I am much more fond of than George Lucas Iger's Star Wars). A lot of the UNI fanbois have been aTwitter about Star Trek coming to UNI in O-Town and all I can say is ''Not yet,'' at least according to my insiders who have been right just about 100% of the time. Of course, ST could appear overseas (there's a development in Jordan, the Red Sea Astarium that has a Star Trek area including a film being produced by Bad Robot moving forward) and at UNI in the USA.
As CBS debuts Thursday Night Football tonight (is there a thing as too much?), one most wonder how the NFL Commish, who is blatantly lying about the Ray Rice domestic abuse, keeps his job. Where have you gone Paul Tagliabue?
A friend checked out the Newport Bay Club at DLP and reports good things about the top to bottom redo ... an actual rebuilding of the resort. Trust me, you have never seen any Disney resort anywhere look as bad as this place had been.
Hey Marvel Fanbois, did you note that Spidey himself attacked Sony this week for their cutting what he felt were crucial parts of Spidey 2 this year? I still haven't seen that film. Looks like a good inflight film.
Friends out west report that Duffy is being marginalized at DLR and ''will almost certainly'' fade away in the next year.
I may well not be around, but when @wdwmagic puts news out on the next upcharge events for Christmas season at WDW (at least two parks right now look like a done deal), please think of me in your hearts (or pants)!
Tropical rains in Florida, now? Yep. It's September ... summer isn't over for almost two more months.
Who would have thought that nicest Wendy's in the world just got built on the site of a ghetto unit outside the world famous Sawgrass Mills Outlet Mall (and Spa!) in lovely and very corrupt Sunrise, Fl.?
Hey, I can't make news up about WDW ... talk is slow ... I muse so long as I breathe.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
When is everyone going to realize that to them it isn't mediocrity. The people that are paying the bills are totally convinced that it isn't mediocrity. It's only the few remaining people that allegedly remember Disney as being much greater then it is now that are preaching to that choir. If the place would have looked then, as it does now, that would have been the bar that we set. It isn't settling for mediocrity, it is their vision of quality. Without the comparisons there is no mediocrity. Disney ruled back then and to the new eye, it still does. To me there will never be a replacement for the Beatles, but, to many younger then myself, I am out of it.
Sure, in the beginning. But I have friends who have computers that are 5, 10 and even 15 years old that are still quite useable. ... Apple may be whoring the iPhone 6, but they're already thinking how they can sell you the iPhone 9 and 3/4ers.
Of course, there were agendas and yellow journalism. But surely, you'd agree that there is far more mis-information out there today due to the Internet. How many times do people say ''I saw this online'' to rationalize some outlandish claim. I'd much rather have taken my chances with the newspapers I grew up with and read from the 1970s right into the 21st century.
DisUniversal
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Hope everything turns out well with the family.
Thanks a lot. Just a sad, sad situation.
We are past that period, unfortunately.
DisUniversal
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Sort of true....but at least you get something that is at least somewhat new new. Disney is already thinking how they can sell the exact same product next year...and the year after...for more money.
Nemo14
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((hug))
Budget has already been slashed ... yes, slashed on one major project (not the monkey ride). And others are in jeopardy due to ignorant UNI execs who thought that Potter 2.0 would be an immediate 1.0 meteoric rise in numbers.
Which it hasn't been, despite setting records for the park this summer.
Sometimes I do wonder if any execs have any common sense the way that organizations are being run.
lebeau
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I'll take the FLE, but they should have been doing more in the other parks at the same time. So much more.
Sorry to hear of bad times. Take care.