The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

Soarin' Over Pgh

Well-Known Member
I'm not a big fan of national chains (especially fast food. It's not worth the price) but I do love my city's little eateries and kitschy places. It's diverse here, there are college students from every part of the world therefore there are places to eat from everywhere as well. (Currently this place is my fave, http://conflictkitchen.org and they change up their menu with a different country every three months or so.) I make friends quickly so that helps with local places. I get tipped off to what's good on the menu, which server is the best, and what places cost before I step foot in the door. That helps.

McDonalds is awful. I'm not entirely positive that's real meat.

Ditto Taco Bell.

And Burger King.

Red Robbins is even questionable, at times.

The only chain I can think of that I do like is steak and shake-but I wish they had a bar and a slightly better menu. Can't eat there often though, it goes right to the thighs. :oops: Their vanilla milkshake would work well with rum.
 

NowInc

Well-Known Member
I've tried Tucker Duke's and it was great. Another burger place I enjoy is Charm City Burger :hungry:

Charm city is great too. So much that in fact they won last years Boca burger bash. But this year, I think tucker dukes will take it.

Also charm city opened up a 2nd place in Boca..different name... same food.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Charm city is great too. So much that in fact they won last years Boca burger bash. But this year, I think tucker dukes will take it.

Also charm city opened up a 2nd place in Boca..different name... same food.
Really? What's the name of the second place?
 

Lord_Vader

Join me, together we can rule the galaxy.
we just had this joint open up here..

http://holyhogbbq.com/menu/

food_0135-12-opt.jpg


food_0113-10-opt.jpg


chicken-waffles.jpg

Where is that located? Might have to schedule a trip to try it out!
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
Clearly you missed what's going on with the parent company and a group of rogue investors…

You'll have to Google it and it's likely what you're describing is merely a symptom of the larger problem.

Cliff Notes version?
Investors come in, demand management changes so they can get a quick return on their investment, everything starts going downhill. Investors cash out and Company left in ruins.

Of course anybody who went to Olive Garden or red lobster for quality Italian or seafood… That's just a problem right there.

Yeah...I'm familiar to what happened with Darden on the investor front and some of the issues with Seafood prices that are impacting Red Lobster. The HuffPost article really struck a nerve, you can't blame 'the middle class' for Darden's situation.

I'm disappointed in @WDW1974 quoting that piece as support for a dwindling middle class, when really Darden's issues are a closer mirror his concerns on what damage bad management can have on a company. And he missed an opportunity to rip the journo on a poorly researched piece.
 

NearTheEars

Well-Known Member
I actually prefer Ker's Wing House to Hooters ever since I found the place a few years ago while visiting WDW... I used to go to Hooters all the time... Not any more...

I must interject and say Quaker Steak and Lube for the "Best Wings USA." I grew up about 5 minutes from the original in Sharon, Pa., so I may be a little bias. Unfortunately there is only one location down here in Fla. in Clearwater, but remember back before they became a small chain.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
My real concern is the resounding indifference 7DMT is going to have on my 5yo daughter (that is the demo, right) when she's now a veteran of Sooper Dooper Looper. C'mon Disney can we raise the bar just a bit when it comes to our kids?

Aw, just almost brought a tear to my eye - the Sooper Dooper Looper was my first "upside down" coaster. :)


Not having clones is the thing that allows for easier app writing in IOS. People always wonder why there is sometimes a huge lag between an Apple IOS app and its release on Android or Windows phone platforms. There are just more things that break apps because of the minor differences between phones on the other platforms. There are pros and cons to allowing clones or not.

Yeah, that's the crux of the Apple/Android issue. On one hand, Apple and it's super-controlling Walled Garden and one-OS-to-Rule-Them-All make development easier and most things come out first for iOS vs. Android (and are lucky to ever make it to Windows Phone), and each Android OS update has to be done by each manufacturer for each model of phone, and often they abandon them and you are stuck on whatever OS you started with. As a consumer it's nice to be able to know you will have compatibility with Apple, on the other hand, you pretty much are forced as an Apple user to upgrade to a new OS as your existing apps won't be able to be updated unless you update the OS, and if you update the OS, eventually you pretty much have to update your phone because new iOS versions run terribly on prior generations.

Basically, Apple pretty much forces you into an endless upgrade cycle if you want to keep a fully-functional phone, even if you just want to keep using the apps you already have.

Go into an apple store and look at the genius bar area - Apple stores are like 1/3 iphone support stores. For which a large # they sell new phones to replace broken screens. The access to support is why most people like/want an Apple store in the area. They can buy the product anywhere... but local support? That's the Apple Store.

Well, real local support are places that are popping up all over to service iPhones of folks who refuse to upgrade their phone every 18-24 months because Apple and the carriers want them to. They are the natural development that was going to happen when Apple insists on not letting you replace your own battery, etc. easily. I've cracked open an iPhone for a DIY job before, but it's far easier to pay these guys to do it, and they charge 1/3 of what the Apple store charges. Apple devices, particularly iPhone, have such incredible planned obsolescence in them that it's astounding we own so many of them and gladly keep buying.

You still have to be very careful about making false assumptions. There are always people who depend on food stamps, yet drive a nice, nearly new car, wear nice clothes, and have a current iPhone and iPad. And when they bought all those items, they had a six-figure salary to support that lifestyle, until they lost that job, and had to take something around minimum wage. In the recent U.S. economy, that situation is not as rare as it should be.

That's also assuming the expensive device wasn't a gift or handed down from a more affluent relative. We all tend to jump to conclusions based on our own assumptions, but we shouldn't, especially when we don't know the whole story.

You know, I've heard that same argument before from folks - and what it misses is - yes, we can judge. These folks are taking our money. So we have every right to our opinions on it.

I'm a pretty liberal guy, and I believe in social programs, etc., but when I see folks per above, it does boil my blood. Because I was raised right - if I lost my job, etc., I wouldn't expect to maintain my same level of lifestyle. You make sacrifices. Not only does that person have an iPhone, but they are likely paying quite a bit for service (or someone is) as well. No one needs an iPhone. You can get a standard "feature phone" for $20 a month. Even on a family plan, with the data an iPhone costs double to triple that minimum monthly (and often more). On top of all that, a lot of these folks were living outside of their means in the first place.

See, when I say "raised right" - I mean that I would never, ever accept public assistance unless I had exhausted all my own resources. I would be ashamed and humiliated if someone thought that I would ask for a handout with one hand while I had an iPhone in another hand.

If someone has no food and is hungry, I have no issue giving them food stamps to buy food. But I dang well don't expect them to still be driving their $50K vehicle and flashing their iPhone around - you downsize. Or at the very least if you cannot (ETF, etc.) you dang well don't go flashing it around while standing in line with the other folks in the store who just paid for your groceries.

It's rampant, but it's not even that new. There is one overpriced grocery store in the next town over from me (a regional chain that was rated the worst in America not long ago, actually), and every time I go there out of necessity (they do have good hours, and if you are in that area, it's really the only choice for a full grocery store), I see this. And I have always seen it. About a dozen years ago when I was getting out of college I was flat broke and between jobs - I did occasional freelance work that took care of the bare necessities but that was infrequent and unreliable.

I could have easily gotten assistance, but I was raised that getting assistance was a last resort, not a way of life or the first thing you go to. But since I was perfectly capable of getting a minimum wage job and chose not to, I just lived frugally. I remember going into that store with $15 in my pocket (now that I think, it was probably more like $12) to buy food for a good few days. I had a large bag of $2 store-brand rice, a few cans of beans, etc. I was making that $12 stretch. I ended up in line behind two young working guys (they were either mechanics or construction just off the job), who were paying cash for beer and then using food stamps to get lobster (it's fresh meat, it's allowed) and the fixin's, with a bunch of expensive football-day junk food. These guys had jobs - yet they or their girlfriends still qualified for food stamps, so they used them to splurge and spent a week's allotment to get a luxury meal and party snacks.

It's sick, and it's not new. And it's why social programs get the bad rap they do - because we are a nation brimming with folks who feel entitled to live at a certain level of lifestyle no matter what the circumstances in their life are. They are "owed" a minimum lifestyle if they earn it or not.

To bring it back to Disney, interestingly enough, what got me out of that period in my life was remembering my childhood love of Disney parks and realizing "hey, I'm an adult now - I could go to Disney whenever I wanted - if only I had the $". Had a job within a week and was at Disney within 3 months. :)


But think about all the cultural changes that happened to P&R after EuroDisney. Would value engineering as practiced at DCA, WDSP, and HKDL have happened? Euro Disney shook the assumptions of what TWDC needs to do to make a resort profitable. The business model was high quality theming, attractions, shows, parades, dining and shopping that would be subsidized by non admission guest spending, especially Lodging. The resort was seen as being greater than the sum of its parts. They just don't think like that anymore because they think that business model died in 1992.

It is sad, totally - because like AK, there were inherent problems in the original idea that caused the less-than-expected performance, which was then interpreted as market absolutes by bean counters who didn't know any better or didn't want to acknowledge the truth.

With AK, it was the confusing theme and lack of "theme parkness" - which it's fans applaud, but the general public just thought Disney created a really pretty petting zoo, like it was a minor attraction such as the waterparks or mini-golf. As Potter proved in spades, there was new audience out there - they just didn't respond to AK.

With DLP, it was the absurd idea to sit a Disney theme park in the middle of what is largely considered the birthplace of high culture in the Western world. It's also one of the most expensive areas to visit in Europe. We really offended the entire continent with that - I cannot tell you how many folks from Europe, especially UK, who almost literally spit in the ground when they talk about it. And you know where I've talked to many of those folks? At WDW! So they even love Disney, but the hatred for that park - and the prices to travel and stay there - are just overwhelming. I have had folks from the UK tell me it's cheaper for them to spend 2 weeks in Orlando than 4-5 days at DLP resort, but that's just part of it - they say the crowds are terribly managed, the people rude, etc. I've wasn't kidding about almost literally seeing people spit about it - I've seen more than one actually look down and make the "pthu!" noise when it's brought up.

In this case, even the super-quality attractions couldn't beat the cultural black eye in the choice of it's location to begin with.



What if one of those two becomes the man in charge?

Iger buys because he thinks Disney can't do it on their own. That has been the motivation behind his acquisitions. Disney can't do animation, buy Pixar. Disney can't do boys, buy Marvel and Lucasfilm. Disney can't do video games, buy up a few studios. His tenure has been defined by a lack of faith in Disney.

I don't think it was lack of faith, really. It was facing reality. When you come down to it, Disney has never really relied on internally created/sourced stories to begin with - they did not invent Cinderella, or Aladdin, etc. They did give a new take which took hold, but when it comes to source material, I'd never really use the term "original" to describe WDC, from the beginning.

Pixar was just a natural choice - and to the public, Pixar already = Disney anyway. With Marvel and Lucasfilm, he quite handily saved Disney live action feature films and turned them back into a player. They also make perfect sense in terms of what Disney is about - IP - they added two of the most massive stables of characters in modern franchise. It was just a given that someday Lucas would sell to Disney, and that Disney would be interested - Lucas himself said that had Walt still been around, and Disney not being in the state it was in the late-70's, he believed that Star Wars would have been most at home at Disney from the start when he was getting kicked to the curb from studio after studio (and he has been saying this since the 1980's, it's not a recent revisionist thing as he is so fond of).


Also, look at the increases in prices at McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco bell and Starbucks. The percentage change of former Dollar Menu items is telling you the companies are desperate to increase the bottom line at all costs.

Agree with your post in general, just want to point out with this one it's a bit more complex - because of the franchise nature of most fast food, the battle against the "dollar menu" has been raging since it began as many fast food outlets were actually taking losses on the food to begin with. The problem is, it worked as a loss leader in terms of getting folks in - hoping they also buy higher margin items like sodas and french fries - the problem is, the college kids who come in and buy 10 double cheeseburgers for $10 and buy nothing else, etc., balance that out.

It is pretty much impossible to serve a double cheeseburger for $1 in 2014 - when you account for paying for the ingredients (meat, cheese, bread, condiments, etc.) and the overhead/employees that prepare it. And it wasn't much better a proposition ten years or so ago when they began in the first place to offer this stuff. It always was forced from corporate, who also in most cases is your sole contractually obligated supplier.

(Hint/Random info: Out of all of them, BK has the most locally/regionally sourced stuff - buns for instance, are generally delivered by 3rd parties - in New England, for example, they are Country Kitchen - who also make really the only true split "Frankfurter" roll that you find most New Englanders use for hot dogs and lobster rolls as opposed to those mini-submarine type things they call hot dog rolls elsewhere, LOL.)

Weather here is typical summer misery (folks don't get that this generally starts in May and used to last until early October and now generally lasts until around Halloween or later). ... Went out tonight at 9:30 for some froyo (my town is so upscale we don't do ice cream anymore, seriously ... and it es me off) and it was 84 and sticky and buggy and all I could think was how did my beloved Mrs. Lee take @Lee to Alaska with her instead of her ''other husband''!!! ... I think I could spend the next two months up there and actually feel alive!

I still think folks who take summer vacations to Florida are insane, although I will likely visit the theme parks at some point out of sheer boredom.

I never got it, either. Even when I had an AP and was down there 20-30 days a year, I didn't go between May and at least late September, if not October. The crowds, the heat - no thank you, nothing magical about that!

QFT. I don't know billionaires, but I'm friends with several millionaires who refuse to pay Disney's Deluxe resort rates. If they stay on-property, they stay at moderates; otherwise, they rent homes in the area.

One family did stay club level at the Grand Flo a few years ago and told me they'd never do it again because "it wasn't worth it."

People who normally stay at 5-star resorts know what a similar hotel should look like.

That's because "Club Level" and "Concierge" at Disney mean far, far different things in the real world. Disney simply doesn't offer what is commonly accepted as Concierge service - at Disney, it's a person who calls CRO for you, and gets the same results that you could on your own. "Club Level" at Disney means there is a small lounge with bottled water, coffee, and cookies.

The people that do pay those prices in the real world expect to get the services they are used to, and I'm sure they don't leave with a high opinion when they pay more at Disney for service that just isn't what it's advertised to be, at least under the common understanding of what those words mean.

Someone in another thread that was essentially "you get what you pay for" said, "Look at the difference in what price gets you between a value and deluxe concierge!" And the truth is...not much. A prettier shell, for sure (though sometimes maint at the values gets more attention, ironically). If you stay at a monorail resort, easy access to MK (but longer rides to everywhere else), and if you pay a real lot you can go to bed looking at the castle. That last part is unbelievably cool, but it's more of a "one night" splurge when you can get a deal - since most of the time you'd have to enjoy the view you'd be sleeping.

But other than that...the level of service really isn't that much greater, commensurate to the price differential. I mean, Values are way overpriced these days anyway (for about what you pay for a "suite" you could get a private condo off site with a private pool), but even so - in virtually every other location, there is a massive difference between a $125 a night room and a $600 a night room. At WDW, not so much - just outer shell, and easier access to the MK - which, wonderful as it is, is difficult to say is worth $4000 for just the lodging alone on a week's vacation.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Red Lobter closed around here years ago because our local seafood places are so much better, but we still have Olive Gardens. I'm not sure why , but they seem to do a thriving business. Makes no sense to me since we have arguably the best Italian food in the country right here in RI.
That, my friend, can be blamed on today's upwardly mobile and retired groups. The younger have no idea that there is a difference between authentic Italian food and American Italian Food. Authentic Italian food is basically pretty bland, not much in spicing (other then garlic), but a place like Olive Garden have seasoned, but not authentically, foods. That is a reason why older, more sensitive stomachs tend to go toward the familiar instead of trying independent places where one never really knows what they are going to get. The interiors are also more themed and appealing to the sight. They know their customers. Red Lobster, well, I don't know, I always kinda liked Red Lobster and do not trust locals with Seafood. No logical reason, just me. However, their price is very restrictive to many, but, I felt that the food was quite good.
 
Last edited:

bhg469

Well-Known Member
I must interject and say Quaker Steak and Lube for the "Best Wings USA." I grew up about 5 minutes from the original in Sharon, Pa., so I may be a little bias. Unfortunately there is only one location down here in Fla. in Clearwater, but remember back before they became a small chain.
Actually, These are closer to legit wings and are much better than buffalo wild wings.. which started in ohio, and are garbage.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom