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thehowiet

Wilson King of Prussia
But how long was the the Studio Tour back then?
Very true. That list definitely is slightly misleading on paper and the length of the tour at the time does indeed make a difference. Even so, it's still a fairly weak opening day menu IMO. I remember going there that summer before Indy opened and it didn't take us all that long to see everything.
 

thehowiet

Wilson King of Prussia
I should have clarified. I didn't visit MGM until 1994 when it included Indy, Star Tours, Tower of Terror, LM show, Honey I Shrunk the Kids playground and Muppets too. Plus the backlot tour was extensive and actually took a chunk of time to see. It was a full day park for me.
My apologies. You add those attractions in and it's a much different park. When you think about it, they added a lot to the park in those first five years, but I guess they kind of had to.
 

Bairstow

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Enh, not really. Most of the shops nowadays are hang-outs for college kids and hipsters. The "stereotypical clientele" tends to buy and get out.

There is nothing worse than having to humour people who go on and on about how cool they are for reading comics and shopping at a comic store. I wish every customer was the smelly, angry, hermit fan because at least they are fun to talk to.

So I went to a local comic book store after work today.
It did smell bad in there, and they were sold out of the figment comic, despite there being a big poster for it in their window.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
My apologies. You add those attractions in and it's a much different park. When you think about it, they added a lot to the park in those first five years, but I guess they kind of had to.
They rushed to get it open before Universal. DCA on the other hand took a decade to finish.
 

Funmeister

Well-Known Member
6 attractions is a complete park?

MGM Opening Day Attractions:

1. The Great Movie Ride
2. The Magic of Disney Animation Tour
3. SuperStar Television
4. The Monster Sound Show
5. The Backstage Studio Tour
6. Hollywood! Hollywood! A Star Studded Spectacular!

Did you happen to go on The Backstage Studio Tour when the park first opened? It was literally a three to four hour experience. That was half of a day right there. lol
 

5thGenTexan

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Not having clones is the thing that allows for easier app writing in IOS. People always wonder why there is sometimes a huge lag between an Apple IOS app and its release on Android or Windows phone platforms. There are just more things that break apps because of the minor differences between phones on the other platforms. There are pros and cons to allowing clones or not. However, from someone who is just getting into app development, I'm focusing more on making the app work first. So, I will spend my time doing it on the IOS platform and getting the bugs out there before I even try to deal with the quirks of the other platforms. Disney seems to have the same style of implementation with the My Disney Experience app.


I was talking way back... PC vs Mac. Before smartphones were even a consideration. Before "app" was a word.

Given a choice to buy a Mac or have the option to go buy a case, MB, RAM, HDD, etc and put it all together. I chose to put my own machine together. Apple did not provide an opportunity for that. So, my dislike for Apple goes way back. That, and I was not the "culture" that bought into Apple then either. Of course things are different now.
 

5thGenTexan

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I used to be right with you, but there came a point when I decided I just wanted a phone and have no plans to upgrade it unless necessary and with iFixit I can replace just about anything so no worries there. Then I purchased a MBP so I could tinker with app writing and ended up upgrading the RAM from 4Gb to 8Gb, swapped the HD twice replaced the optical drive with a 1Tb drive and now have a 256Gb SSD and 1Tb drive for media and rarely if ever use my virtual Windows 7 instance on it because I don't have to. Now the MBP is over 5 years old, still running strong with absolutely no hardware problems but every other laptop (Windoows 7 and 8) we have purchased since has died and been replaced.


The last desktop that I built I pulled out of mothballs last week for my 5 year old to have access to the educational websites they were using at school. It is still loaded with XP. Took 2 hours+ to get all the updates, but it is as current as it will ever get and is good enough for her. Although, she played with it one night. My kids have not been exposed to technology like most kids these days have. They have A LOT more fun playing outside or with toys in the house.
 

pwnbeaver

Well-Known Member
So I went to a local comic book store after work today.
It did smell bad in there, and they were sold out of the figment comic, despite there being a big poster for it in their window.

Heh, I guess all shops aren't maintained as well as the ones in my area. Sorry about your bad experience.

No surprise on the sellout, since I'm sure all shops ordered low. Marvel sent out a poster to every single shop on Diamond's list. I have one hanging on my wall right now, it's pretty cool.
 

5thGenTexan

Well-Known Member
Not discounted - subsidized. You pay a lower price in exchange for a locked in contract term.. whose price includes dollars to offset the upfront phone cost. But this is changing.. carriers are switching to models where they charge full price for the phone, in exchange for no contract and lower monthly fees. (This is the AT&T Next program in a nutshell). For the most part, all they are doing is moving the phone subsidy out of the monthly contract price.. and asking you to pay the full price of the phone, even if on an installment program.

Carriers are fighting the old contract lock-in and EFT arguments... so their answer is 'fine, no contract.. no subsidy... and we pitch it as if you can get a new phone every 2 years'. sure, you can BUY a new phone as often as you like :)


We are NOT the customers cell carriers want. I just looked and my contract expired in May 2011. That means the last time I bought a phone was 2009. I have gotten a replacement phone since on a maintenance plan when the old one stopped working. I am still using a Kyrocera Duramax flip phone.

I looked recently and I can't see spending $200 on a smartphone with a 2 yr contract AND have a bill that will cost us another $50 - 60 a month.
 

bhg469

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The backlot tour used to be about 2 hours long! How I loved the old version. I went on the updated version for the first time in a few years just to see as it had no wait, it was such a let down from what it used to be. I think it's even worse redo than Imagination!
Very comparable since both of them only use a fractions of what they used to.

This thread is reminding me of how good those few attractions were when MGM opened. It was really a great park even though it was a little incomplete.
 

lazyboy97o

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I'm talking personalities here and how they influenced how things were carried out. The same Strategic Planning can easily be administered completely differently by someone else and not be so harmful. With that said, I have no idea if Iger is from the exact same mold as Eisner when it came to that and also how much he has tweaked the SP.
I was talking about the personalities. The people are still around, notably Tom Staggs and Jay Rasulo.
 

Goofyernmost

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I was talking about the personalities. The people are still around, notably Tom Staggs and Jay Rasulo.
OK, but I still feel strongly that they would have to take their cue from the man what am in charge. The interpretation of the Strategic Plan at this point would be in Iger's court. I'm not saying it's any different then with Eisner, I just don't know. I would think, considering the fact, that Iger has been all over buying up other properties that it has changed quite a bit from Eisner, who wouldn't spend the money on things that he thought they could do on their own. Such as Pixar.
 

lazyboy97o

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OK, but I still feel strongly that they would have to take their cue from the man what am in charge. The interpretation of the Strategic Plan at this point would be in Iger's court. I'm not saying it's any different then with Eisner, I just don't know. I would think, considering the fact, that Iger has been all over buying up other properties that it has changed quite a bit from Eisner, who wouldn't spend the money on things that he thought they could do on their own. Such as Pixar.
What if one of those two becomes the man in charge?

Iger buys because he thinks Disney can't do it on their own. That has been the motivation behind his acquisitions. Disney can't do animation, buy Pixar. Disney can't do boys, buy Marvel and Lucasfilm. Disney can't do video games, buy up a few studios. His tenure has been defined by a lack of faith in Disney.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
OK, but I still feel strongly that they would have to take their cue from the man what am in charge. The interpretation of the Strategic Plan at this point would be in Iger's court. I'm not saying it's any different then with Eisner, I just don't know. I would think, considering the fact, that Iger has been all over buying up other properties that it has changed quite a bit from Eisner, who wouldn't spend the money on things that he thought they could do on their own. Such as Pixar.
Staggs started out with Disney with the strategic planning group in 1990 under Eisner. He rose up to run the group until he became CFO under Eisner in 1998. He was CFO until 2010 when he did the whole "trading places" bit with Jay. He was CFO for both the Pixar and Marvel acquisitions and with his Wall Street background I'm sure he had a big part of the financing for the deals. So while he was definitely brought up through the ranks under Eisner I don't think he seems to be opposed to Iger's plans either. Eisner did broker the deal to buy ABC when Staggs was still part of Strategic Planning.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
What if one of those two becomes the man in charge?

Iger buys because he thinks Disney can't do it on their own. That has been the motivation behind his acquisitions. Disney can't do animation, buy Pixar. Disney can't do boys, buy Marvel and Lucasfilm. Disney can't do video games, buy up a few studios. His tenure has been defined by a lack of faith in Disney.
Right, like I said... The strategic plan is different now then when Eisner was around. The original was set up under the supervision of Eisner and not necessarily the brain child of those two. It has changed and that is the way they flow now. Who knows what they really want, but, that is true with whomever gets in charge. I don't think either one of them are necessarily a shoe in for Iger's job.
 

lazyboy97o

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Right, like I said... The strategic plan is different now then when Eisner was around. The original was set up under the supervision of Eisner and not necessarily the brain child of those two. It has changed and that is the way they flow now. Who knows what they really want, but, that is true with whomever gets in charge. I don't think either one of them are necessarily a shoe in for Iger's job.
I haven't been talking about a plan, but the Strategic Planning Group, the group of people that advised Eisner at his worse.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
What if one of those two becomes the man in charge?

Iger buys because he thinks Disney can't do it on their own. That has been the motivation behind his acquisitions. Disney can't do animation, buy Pixar. Disney can't do boys, buy Marvel and Lucasfilm. Disney can't do video games, buy up a few studios. His tenure has been defined by a lack of faith in Disney.
One way to look at it, but not at all what goes on with most acquisitive companies. Acquisitions are done because the buyer thinks it can do better than the seller. The seller has a business worth $4 billion. You buy because you think you can turn into something worth $6 billion. Iger, i think, believes that since Disney has done gangbusters creating content and monetizing it in every way possible, it can do the same with purchased content. So Disney continues to create content (Frozen, Disney Channel movies, Cruise Line, etc.) and make much money off of it. But creating content takes time, while buying existing is quicker. And if Iger is right, and Disney can monetize content better than others whether that content is Disney-created or not, the Company makes more money by buying other content in addition to making its own.

And so far, he's right. Cruise Line makes a billion; Frozen makes a billion; Avengers makes 2 billion; Iron Man makes a billion; Star Wars makes a billion (coming soon, probably). Pretty soon, you're talking real money.
 

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