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FigmentJedi

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But last year, plush was made for virtually every single character in Monsters U, including nameless background characters no one cares about.

Common. Sense.
I actually got some of those because I wanted to try and get at least one rep per house (though I couldn't find the manic looking PNK I was after and I ended up getting Johnny in figure form). Also Brock and Claire. I was actually impressed they went through the trouble, though considering how popular some of those houses were with periphery demographics online, it's nice they were able to get something.
 

BrerJon

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It would be nice to see Disney give its own films the vote of confidence instead of playing catch up. They'll end up with egg on their faces sometimes, but being prepared for something like Frozen mania would have made up for it in the long run.

Aaaand we've reached the crux of the matter. The long run. Something almost no one at Disney cares about.
What's frustrating about this is that none of it was a surprise. Anyone who's ever read a Marvel comic could have told you Rocket Racoon was going to be popular. Baymax was specifically designed to make great toys and be the must-have Christmas item, Anna and Elsa dolls were obviously going to appeal to little girls just as much, most likely more, than the aisles and aisles of Tinkerbell merch they always ship in.

If the animators and directors are putting this stuff in, but Consumer Products isn't noticing, there's a real broken link somewhere in the chain of command.
 

BrerJon

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I actually got some of those because I wanted to try and get at least one rep per house (though I couldn't find the manic looking PNK I was after and I ended up getting Johnny in figure form). Also Brock and Claire. I was actually impressed they went through the trouble, though considering how popular some of those houses were with periphery demographics online, it's nice they were able to get something.
I'm pretty sure they were hoping for a Harry Potter type thing where everyone would adopt one of the houses as their own and buy the associated merch for it.
 

WDW1974

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OK, so y'all know how much I hate to be right and hate to point out when I told you so ... but ...

Did you see today's DLP announcement of a ST redo in time for the 25th anniversary (one that will also include footage and scenarios from Episode VII), as well as the start of a SW mini-land including dining and retail and another attraction?

Y'all do recall that I said this was happening frequently over the last year, even as fanboi Twits were talking about the resort shuttering (because we all know that's realistic!) Y'all do recall that I said DLP was the first resort likely to see new and significant SW product, right?

How about another told ya so from an unlikely source?

You do recall me saying that Alan Horn took over for Rich Ross because John Lasseter went to the BoD (when Iger wanted the status quo) and said either Ross leaves or he does? Well, today, in a placed piece of PR for Horn and Disney, none other than Brooks Barnes of the NYT strongly hinted at something that, as far as I know, no one else but yours truly has placed anywhere online or in traditional media. Yes, indeed, Lasseter was behind Ross' ouster from Disney and that he has a very good relationship with the newish Studio Head.

Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/b...-ship-at-disney-and-fortune-follows.html?_r=0
 

WDW1974

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David's just hiked their DVC point rental price from $14/point to $16/point for 7+ months-in-advanced bookings at BLT, BWV, BCV, VWL, and VGF because demand exceeds supply.

At $16/point, a BLT Lake View Studio on the weekend of December 12-14 costs $304/night.

$304/night is pretty darned expensive but WDW's rate (with tax) for a Lake View room in the Contemporary Tower is $745/night. :jawdrop:

Even with 30% off, that's still $522/night. :jawdrop:

Those prices made David's $304/night look like a bargain.

It's not really surprising that so many want to rent points, and why DVC rental places like David's are pleading for points at key resorts.
By Disney standards, $304 a night for a BLT studio in mid-December is a great deal. I wouldn't agree, but I don't think it's crazy either. I do think $522 is and I think anyone who would pay $745 a night for a standard WDW hotel room anytime needs electric shock therapy and should be giving some of their wealth to a homeless shelter or a children's charity of their choice because they have no sense of money or what itss value truly is. Seriously.

And, as I have found out by dating a DVCer, early December is value season for DVC resorts and offers some of the best values for points during the year. It's why pretty much every DVC resort (excepting Saratoga Springs because DVCers want to stay at WDW deluxe resorts, not DVC ones) is damn near impossible to book the first three weeks of the month.

Have no idea if you saw or commented on my post about deluxe availability and the reality of what is happening at WDW today.
 

Mike S

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OK, so y'all know how much I hate to be right and hate to point out when I told you so ... but ...

Did you see today's DLP announcement of a ST redo in time for the 25th anniversary (one that will also include footage and scenarios from Episode VII), as well as the start of a SW mini-land including dining and retail and another attraction?

Y'all do recall that I said this was happening frequently over the last year, even as fanboi Twits were talking about the resort shuttering (because we all know that's realistic!) Y'all do recall that I said DLP was the first resort likely to see new and significant SW product, right?

How about another told ya so from an unlikely source?

You do recall me saying that Alan Horn took over for Rich Ross because John Lasseter went to the BoD (when Iger wanted the status quo) and said either Ross leaves or he does? Well, today, in a placed piece of PR for Horn and Disney, none other than Brooks Barnes of the NYT strongly hinted at something that, as far as I know, no one else but yours truly has placed anywhere online or in traditional media. Yes, indeed, Lasseter was behind Ross' ouster from Disney and that he has a very good relationship with the newish Studio Head.

Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/b...-ship-at-disney-and-fortune-follows.html?_r=0
Since Star Tours 2 is apparently easy for Disney to update could we see those Episode VII scenes added to DL and DHS around the same time?
 

WDW1974

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Pick your favorite corporate whipping boy. Wal-Mart, Starbucks, doesn't matter. Go into the nearest store and begin screaming "You suck!" at the first front-line employee you see. Repeatedly. Encourage other customers to do the same. Then please compare that company's response to TWDC's.
WDW and my good friend George Kalogridis treat CMs like a word I can't use here. A word that doesn't exist in Disney's UNIverse, except when execs are talking behind the scenes or Guests are abusing a front-line CM.

WDW CMs can be physically assaulted and have their lives put in danger by crazy guests and if they do anything to protect themselves and stop the attack they are automatically fired. No questions asked. None. You touch a guest, even one trying to end you, and you lose your job. No, even Walmart isn't that bad. Starbucks certainly isn't.

Now, am I sure that many lawsuits based on this have been filed? Sure. Am I sure that many CMs have been paid off and given non-disclosure docs for their silence? Absolutely.

But it is insane. (Of course, so are a large number of people who visit WDW!)
 

WDW1974

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Since Star Tours 2 is apparently easy for Disney to update could we see those Episode VII scenes added to DL and DHS around the same time?
Yes on both counts.

I've heard that OLC has yet to sign off on this (believe it or not, but SW isn't that big a deal in Japan ... or China for that matter). I would guess they eventually will but see no need to update now so soon after redoing the attraction.
 

WDW1974

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I do quite a bit of business travel so these decisions are more frequent for me, Vacations are an exception but I have to be careful even there because of the basic unavoidability of fast food in normal life when stuck in an airport you eat what's THERE and try to make the best choices possible based on available options and if travelling early AM or late PM frequently only the Mickey D's and the coffee joint are open at those times.
I haven't joined in yet another discussion of fatties (and I am at my heaviest weight since my all-time high in 2003 when I went on a MAJOR lifestyle change that sorta lasted for a while but not enough!) and Disney, but I did see someone (maybe @RivieraJenn ?) talk about how Disney can/could offer more healthy choices. For years, it was either Cockerell Fries or grapes, now it seems to largely be the fries and apple slices (a tiny portion, I might add).

Of course, Disney has very little variety in QSR at MK and Studios, while EPCOT and DAK offer far more options for both healthy and unhealthy dining.

I am reasonably certain Disney has struck a big deal with a major broccoli seller because of the new menu items at Columbia Harbor House and the large $4 bags on sale at Property Control.

Fast food can just be something you get in the habit of. I had two healthy meals at home yesterday, but today was busy and I've already been to Dunkin and BK (they have 10 chicken nuggets for $1.49 and they, unlike McD's, actually taste like they have chicken in them) because of time and budget.

There's a reason so many WDW CMs are morbidly obese and that is simply poor diets based on poverty. I recall when front-line friends would tell me about having to eat at Taco Bell because they could get a meal there for $2. Rest assured, George and Andy are the types who I honestly wonder whether they have ever had Taco Bell in their lives.

You can eat healthy when you make $15-20 an hour (not saying you will, just that you can). It is damn near impossible on $8-10 an hour.
 

WDW1974

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You can only interchange characters in Toy box mode. When you are playing missions it is strict character to land associated with that character. The fact that Disney lets a person use total imagination in Toy Box mode only makes sense. No one should tell a kid how the correct way to play with a toy.
I would never tell a child (even a 33-year-old one) how to play with their toys.

I am commenting on how when Disney owns you they have no problem dropping characters from one world into another where they don't belong.

Even as a kid, I cringed when Scooby Doo and the Gang got help from Batman, The Super Friends or, perhaps worst of all, Sonny & Cher.

Just because Disney owns Marvel now doesn't mean Thor should exist in the same world as Daisy Duck or Merida.
 

FigmentJedi

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I'm pretty sure they were hoping for a Harry Potter type thing where everyone would adopt one of the houses as their own and buy the associated merch for it.
Yeah, that was actually part of the marketing. That said, I believe the MU stuff sold much better then when Wreck It Ralph did all the Sugar Rush merch. It took them quite a while to get rid of the Snowanna stock.
 

Matt7187

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I would never tell a child (even a 33-year-old one) how to play with their toys.

I am commenting on how when Disney owns you they have no problem dropping characters from one world into another where they don't belong.

Even as a kid, I cringed when Scooby Doo and the Gang got help from Batman, The Super Friends or, perhaps worst of all, Sonny & Cher.

Just because Disney owns Marvel now doesn't mean Thor should exist in the same world as Daisy Duck or Merida.
So you didn't like Simpsons and Family Guy crossover or Simpsorama I am guessing...
 

WDW1974

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This was more of a way for disney to take their place in a very popular genre than anything else. Disney just ha the more popular characters and obviously it will be more successful. I don't play any of these style games but sometimes 74 is a tiny bit off on some subjects. This is one instance where I think he doesn't get that the draw of this type of game is something disney, more or less, had to try.
Oh, no. I do get why Disney has done what it has. No surprise because Infinity is aimed at the 20 and 30-something geeks more than kids anyway. These are the folks who will claim Oswald is important because Disney placed him in a video game. I just believe that certain character groups don't belong with others.

The decision making when it comes to the resorts is as misguided as a bunch of clueless executives can be though. In that regard 74 is on the money.
Nah, they are all good people who care about their Guests and Cast, first and foremost!
 

WDW1974

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I'm a simple Arkie that's been to tons of themeparks in the USA and my favorite one for Christmas season for what you get for a regular ticket is Silver Dollar City. Is it Disney? No, but it's done very well and they have rights to the Rudolph and Frosty we all know and love now for their Christmas season. It just may feel like Christmas in the Ozarks too.
The park that has impressed me the most in O-Town, as far as Christmas offerings go of late, has been SW. Nothing that Disney or UNI does comes close to the overall effort that SW puts into the holiday season (or did as I haven't seen what they are doing in 2014).
 
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WDW1974

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I'm a nice blend of capitalistic ideals without going all power hungry :) It comes from my analytical base... short-term results that cripple you long term are just lies. I'm a huge believer in setting objectives and constantly validating your choices against those objectives. If the choices conflict with those objectives, you need to step back and have everyone agree we are in conflict.. and decide if those objectives still are valid or if they should be updated. I'm a big opponent of lying to yourself as an organization.

I do believe in the value of good employees. I do believe in the notion of rewarding good work. I do believe that having employees that WANT to do the work is a huge part of your success. I am a huge believer in empowerment and flat organizations. But that also means I am cutthroat when it comes to bad employees, bad management, and failing to adhere to the principles we set for ourselves. I am against systems that reward mediocrity or protects it. I am against the notion of a 'living wage' in its design (it's flawed). I do believe in paying people well - but in return they need to perform. I am all for pruning dead wood.. and efficiently.

I do believe employee satisfaction is way beyond what their hourly rate is. I do believe how you treat employees and the work environment you create for them is more significant in retaining great people than just straight pay scales.

I view the employer and employee relationship as a symbiotic one - the employer selects candidates and nurtures them to better itself.

It's appalling to me that a company whose's primary 'product' has been customer service and guest satisfaction like Disney Parks does not act like it's front-line CMs are responsible for 'creating' that product and hence should be some of the company's most valuable assets.

And maybe that's what separates me from many readers on this site - I don't believe Disney's main output is POTC, or Splash Mountain or Sleeping Beauty... those are the specific ways Disney has delivered it's product. The real product Disney created were really amazing, wholesome, immersing experiences that brought you happiness and satisfaction. That is why the Disney company could reach out into so many different ways and be successful.. be it film, parks, cruises, whatever. The company is about that 'delight' they delivered.

When the company loses sight of that true objective... that's when they are steering it into the ground. And that is why I'm negative towards many of the company's actions of late... because they miss the bigger objectives in their smaller choices.
Very well said. And I pretty much agree with it all.

Sadly, WDW ... and most large American corps, do not.
 
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