The Sorcerer's Apprentice Season 5: ENDGAME - Hype Thread

FireMountain

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spacemt354 said:
Haven't seen it yet, but heard it messed up the timeline :confused:
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They messed up the timeline to the point where I'm beginning to suspect a Time turner creating an alternate timeline plot twist coming soon and this possibly all being planned because the mistakes feels too out of place and obvious for someone as continuity obsessed as JK Rowling.

That being said, I actually enjoy Crimes of Grindelwald a lot more than the first. Johney Depp looked like he was trying for the first time in about a decade and it shows as he was a pretty great villain. The characters as a whole came alive and were more likeable and well rounded in my opinion. There was definitely too much exposition and sideplots that don't go anywhere, but overall I thought this one was a lot stronger. It's not perfect, but it fixed my problems from the first movie's directing/writing and the new problems are a much smaller issue to me.

That being said, I was rather neutral on the first one and thought it was kinda boring and the characters mostly felt flat to me. Most people I know who loved the first Fantastic Beasts tend to dislike this one.
 
mickeyfan5534

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Pionmycake said:
Most people I know who loved the first Fantastic Beasts tend to dislike this one.
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See, I think the Fantastic Beasts series should have always been more about Newt. It should have been romps about expanding the Wizarding World and instead it's this odd political thriller about Dumbledore and Grindlewald and it just went the wrong way. What should have been done was treat this brewing war as something happening in the background with Newt being mostly unaware of it and falling in with Dumbledore and Grindlewald's conflict because of the beasts instead of getting directly involved. Also, I hated seeing Queenie get conned into the kool-aid it felt out of character.
 
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mickeyfan5534 said:
See, I think the Fantastic Beasts series should have always been more about Newt. It should have been romps about expanding the Wizarding World and instead it's this odd political thriller about Dumbledore and Grindlewald and it just went the wrong way. What should have been done was treat this brewing war as something happening in the background with Newt being mostly unaware of it and falling in with Dumbledore and Grindlewald's conflict because of the beasts instead of getting directly involved. Also, I hated seeing Queenie get conned into the kool-aid it felt out of character.
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Yeah, if this was the over arching story they wanted to tell, I agree that Newt was an odd choice for the lead. I personally felt...

...that Queenie turning to the dark side fit her character pretty well. She has always been an oddball outcast who struggles with loneliness and feeling disconnected from society as a whole (mostly due to her mind reading that she can't control). So, she has her sister and basically no one else. Then she finds a man who loves her who she loves as well as a friend in Newt. Naturally someone with a fear of being alone based on past traumatic experiences would be more clingy to those that get close to her. Also, it would be very important to her to have a clear commitment. So, she'd be desperate to get married to avoid being alone again because she can't be alone again and in her mind it is only a matter of time before her fears are realized and Kowalski leaves her just like all her friends and loved ones in the past have.

Then, when Kowalski doesn't want to get married she gets desperate. Then, when he thinks she's acting crazy it makes sense as a trigger of a panic reaction that he is looking at her the way so many have before. He thinks she's crazy and he doesn't want to get married. He's going to leave her just like everyone else (or so she thinks). So, she abandons him before he can abandon her to find her sister.

Her sister has been the one constant in her life. The one person who would never abandon her. But when she seeks out her sister she learns that Tina lied to her and is seemingly just gone with no explanation.

Queenie is alone in a strange city feeling entirely abandoned by everyone she loves and she thought loved her. We, as the audience, know that her fears are unfounded. But she doesn't.

She seems like the perfect target to be brought into Grindelwald's cult like following. A place of belonging with someone who welcomes the unusual people who have been scorned by society. Someone promising her a chance to fix the problem that lead to Kowalski calling her crazy.

While the writing in the scene where Grindelwald convinced her to join him could have been a lot stronger, I fully believe her story arc is entirely in character for her.

That being said, I know I'm in the minority in thinking that storyline was in character for her. So, maybe there is something I missed about her characterization from the first movie.
 
Suchomimus

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mickeyfan5534 said:
See, I think the Fantastic Beasts series should have always been more about Newt. It should have been romps about expanding the Wizarding World and instead it's this odd political thriller about Dumbledore and Grindlewald and it just went the wrong way. What should have been done was treat this brewing war as something happening in the background with Newt being mostly unaware of it and falling in with Dumbledore and Grindlewald's conflict because of the beasts instead of getting directly involved.
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I strongly agree. After all, Fantastic Beasts was written by Scamander, not Dumbledore or Grindelwald.
 

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