The return of a Disneyland in Brazil - in a new location (open brainstorming)

[Twilight_Roxas]

So is the Brazil Soarin going to connected to Tokyo's Tower of Terror, Hong Kong's Mystic Manor, and The Adventurers Club with the Society of Explorers & Adventurers or S.E.A for short?

 

[mharrington]

So is the Brazil Soarin going to connected to Tokyo's Tower of Terror, Hong Kong's Mystic Manor, and The Adventurers Club with the Society of Explorers & Adventurers or S.E.A for short?

I don't know, maybe, maybe not.

 

[englanddg]

Just make sure it is done near a port, cuz a DCL tie in....works.

 

[mharrington]

Just make sure it is done near a port, cuz a DCL tie in....works.

The resort is located in Curitiba, not Rio. I don't know how close it is to a port. An airport, yes, but not necessarily a port port.

 

[englanddg]

The resort is located in Curitiba, not Rio. I don't know how close it is to a port. An airport, yes, but not necessarily a port port.

Why so far inland?

 

[mharrington]

Why so far inland?

I picked it because it was already considered for a time, even though the plan never materialized. Here's what this book on international Disney parks, by William Silvester, had to say about that (as part of an epilogue about where the next Disney park might go next):

Word leaked out in February 2010 that Disney was planning to build a theme park in Curitiba, the capital city of Parana state in southern Brazil. Unnamed sources stated that Curitiba had been chosen because of "its excellent infrastructure, its strategic location and its international airport."

So that's where it is, and on top of that, it's a different location than the go-to spot of Rio.

Does the Disney Cruise Line ever intend to go to Europe for Disneyland Paris? Or to Japan for Tokyo Disneyland? If not, then this is no different than that.

 

[englanddg]

I picked it because it was already considered for a time, even though the plan never materialized. Here's what this book on international Disney parks, by William Silvester, had to say about that (as part of an epilogue about where the next Disney park might go next):

Word leaked out in February 2010 that Disney was planning to build a theme park in Curitiba, the capital city of Parana state in southern Brazil. Unnamed sources stated that Curitiba had been chosen because of "its excellent infrastructure, its strategic location and its international airport."

So that's where it is, and on top of that, it's a different location than the go-to spot of Rio.

Does the Disney Cruise Line ever intend to go to Europe for Disneyland Paris? Or to Japan for Tokyo Disneyland? If not, then this is no different than that.

Do you want me to make a business argument?

It could go both ways, location and international airport are one of them. That said, I'm not sure how "central" to "Brasil" that location is...if you look at it and where the money and economic development is.

Lessee...it is in the top 50 list of murders and violent crime in the World, with around 4 murders per day.

It has massive traffic problems.

Please, tell me how perfect it is because of "reasons"...

That said, were I to design a park, today, tying into the international market, of which DCL is part of it, would be something I'd consider.

The location chosen isn't even that bad for it (if connected by trains). It's about 2 hours from the coast.

Anyhow, just a suggestion. Wasn't meant to be anything more.

 

[mharrington]

Do you want me to make a business argument?

It could go both ways, location and international airport are one of them. That said, I'm not sure how "central" to "Brasil" that location is...if you look at it and where the money and economic development is.

Lessee...it is in the top 50 list of murders and violent crime in the World, with around 4 murders per day.

It has massive traffic problems.

Please, tell me how perfect it is because of "reasons"...

That said, were I to design a park, today, tying into the international market, of which DCL is part of it, would be something I'd consider.

The location chosen isn't even that bad for it (if connected by trains). It's about 2 hours from the coast.

Anyhow, just a suggestion. Wasn't meant to be anything more.

According to this site (https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compar...Curitiba&country2=Brazil&city2=Rio+De+Janeiro), it would seem that Rio actually has a much larger rate of crime than Curitba, 65.35 vs. 76.91.

I don't think the Disney Cruise Line was ever taken into consideration when they did Shanghai.

 

[englanddg]

According to this site (https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compar...Curitiba&country2=Brazil&city2=Rio+De+Janeiro), it would seem that Rio actually has a much larger rate of crime than Curitba, 65.35 vs. 76.91.

I don't think the Disney Cruise Line was ever taken into consideration when they did Shanghai.

So, Rio is higher (I never said Rio).

And then you bring up Shanghai...

Again, would you like me to make a business argument?

Shanghai has a population of 25 some odd million. Surrounding areas bring it close to 30 million.

Curitiba has a population of around 2 million. Surrounding areas bring it to about 3. Granted, greater than Orlando, but Curitiba isn't seen as the "vacation spot" of half the country as Florida was BEFORE Disney came there.

Vastly different draw. Vastly different market. Vastly different business concepts.

Again, it was just a suggestion to include DCL. Dunno why it ticks you off so much.

 

[mharrington]

So, Rio is higher (I never said Rio).

And then you bring up Shanghai...

Again, would you like me to make a business argument?

Shanghai has a population of 25 some odd million. Surrounding areas bring it close to 30 - 40 million.

Curitiba has a population of around 2 million. Surrounding areas bring it to about 3 million. Granted, greater than Orlando, but Curitiba isn't seen as the "vacation spot" of half the country as Florida was BEFORE Disney came there.

Vastly different draw. Vastly different market. Vastly different business concepts.

Again, it was just a suggestion to include DCL. Dunno why it ticks you off so much.

Because I've already been aggravating over a potential location for the park. In fact, I even created a whole thread just to the debate for a potential location (https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/a-new-disney-park-with-no-place-for-it-to-go.920414/). I don't know of Disney's presence in China before Shanghai or even Hong Kong. When I decide on a location, one of my main criteria is preexisting Disney presence, mainly by way of Disney films released in those countries. I don't know when in those countries that Disney films were ever released. I know of releases in Japan, France and Brazil, but not China or Hong Kong. I tried to email the Disney Archives to ask for release dates in Hong Kong in particular, but they never responded. It should also be mentioned that Disney already has a powerful presence in Latin America. In any case, through it all, the Disney Cruise Line never factored into the debate then and it doesn't factor in now. It never factored in China, so why here? I have been deliberately trying to steer clear of Asia for a while now.

Now, I would like to have no more business debates, please?

 

[englanddg]

Because I've already been aggravating over a potential location for the park. In fact, I even created a whole thread just to the debate for a potential location (https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/a-new-disney-park-with-no-place-for-it-to-go.920414/). I don't know of Disney's presence in China before Shanghai or even Hong Kong. When I decide on a location, one of my main criteria is preexisting Disney presence, mainly by way of Disney films released in those countries. I don't know when in those countries that Disney films were ever released. I know of releases in Japan, France and Brazil, but not China or Hong Kong. I tried to email the Disney Archives to ask for release dates in Hong Kong in particular, but they never responded. It should also be mentioned that Disney already has a powerful presence in Latin America. In any case, through it all, the Disney Cruise Line never factored into the debate then and it doesn't factor in now. It never factored in China, so why here? I have been deliberately trying to steer clear of Asia for a while now.

They were released there. And, you don't need to ask "Disney Archives" to find that out. Just look for box office release dates.

For example...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029583/releaseinfo

See China down there...waaay back on June 2, 1938?

But, as I said, just a suggestion. Tying in DCL to expand the park experience and build a larger guest "vacation" is something that, especially moving into the turbulent S. American economy, would seem a solid investment to me.

As I said, just a suggestion. Not a criticism of the choice for the venue.

 

[mharrington]

They were released there. And, you don't need to ask "Disney Archives" to find that out. Just look for box office release dates.

For example...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029583/releaseinfo

The box office release for these movies may not be entirely accurate, as I fear it is with Hong Kong. That's why I consulted the Archives, to check to see if it was accurate, which may not always be the case.

Tying in DCL to expand the park experience and build a larger guest "vacation" is something that, especially moving into the turbulent S. American economy, would seem a solid investment to me.

As I said, just a suggestion. Not a criticism of the choice for the venue.

It sure came across as criticism. Legitimate criticism, granted, but still criticism.

 

[englanddg]

The box office release for these movies may not be entirely accurate, as I fear it is with Hong Kong. That's why I consulted the Archives, to check to see if it was accurate, which may not always be the case.

Hong Kong was 1941. Hong Kong was not China, at the time.

But, you can disagree if you like, and say IDMB is full of it. I'd buy that.

It sure came across as criticism. Legitimate criticism, granted, but still criticism.

Well, I'm clarifying. It wasn't meant as such. It was a suggestion. Sorry if it came off otherwise.

 

[mharrington]

Hong Kong was 1941.

That probably isn't true, though. The Archives may have an entirely different take on it, and they would know. I wouldn't say IMDB is full of it, though. If there is anything wrong, it can be corrected, and that's why I was trying to reach out to the Archives, to try and correct any problems there might have been.

Well, I'm clarifying. It wasn't meant as such. It was a suggestion. Sorry if it came off otherwise.

Do you suppose you might be able to provide suggestions for inside the park? One thing is that Adventureland and Frontierland are going to merged into one big Adventureland, and similar to Shanghai, I would like to try to make this different somehow.

 

[spacemt354]

Because I've already been aggravating over a potential location for the park. In fact, I even created a whole thread just to the debate for a potential location (https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/a-new-disney-park-with-no-place-for-it-to-go.920414/). I don't know of Disney's presence in China before Shanghai or even Hong Kong. When I decide on a location, one of my main criteria is preexisting Disney presence, mainly by way of Disney films released in those countries. I don't know when in those countries that Disney films were ever released. I know of releases in Japan, France and Brazil, but not China or Hong Kong. I tried to email the Disney Archives to ask for release dates in Hong Kong in particular, but they never responded. It should also be mentioned that Disney already has a powerful presence in Latin America. In any case, through it all, the Disney Cruise Line never factored into the debate then and it doesn't factor in now. It never factored in China, so why here? I have been deliberately trying to steer clear of Asia for a while now.

Now, I would like to have no more business debates, please?

Yes i remember that thread. This isnt as much a business debate as it is a question...what is the incentive for US guests (in particular on the east coast) to literally in some cases, flyover WDW to go to a Disney Resort in Brazil?

An incentive might be a connection to the DCL. Start out with a weekend in WDW, sail the Atlantic, stop for a few days in Disneyland Brazil, and sail back.

You dont have to move the location, but if realism is one of your goals which it usually is, a DCL connection makes a lot of sense for why and how people would travel there.

Each other international disney resort is connected to cities with large populations. This would be the smallest local population for an international disney resort, so i dont see a downside for an additional perk like DCL.

 

[Twilight_Roxas]

I don't know, maybe, maybe not.

Because it could have a character who like Harrison Hightower III, Henry Mystic, and the other members from MK's Big Thunder Mountain, Disney Cruise Line's Oceaneer Lab, and Typhoon Lagoon was also a explorer, and adventurer as a member of S.E.A that he or she moved to Rio were he or she set up a trip around the world for guest which would be Soarin.

 

[mharrington]

Yes i remember that thread. This isnt as much a business debate as it is a question...what is the incentive for US guests (in particular on the east coast) to literally in some cases, flyover WDW to go to a Disney Resort in Brazil?

An incentive might be a connection to the DCL. Start out with a weekend in WDW, sail the Atlantic, stop for a few days in Disneyland Brazil, and sail back.

You dont have to move the location, but if realism is one of your goals which it usually is, a DCL connection makes a lot of sense for why and how people would travel there.

Each other international disney resort is connected to cities with large populations. This would be the smallest local population for an international disney resort, so i dont see a downside for an additional perk like DCL.

The only way a Disney Cruise Line connection could work is if there was a special way to connect it to the resort. Maybe there could be a special train between the port and the resort. In fairness, they had constructed the TGV railway in France in order to help bring in people to the Paris resort.

 

[AceAstro]

The only way a Disney Cruise Line connection could work is if there was a special way to connect it to the resort. Maybe there could be a special train between the port and the resort. In fairness, they had constructed the TGV railway in France in order to help bring in people to the Paris resort.

That’s a possibility. Getting to DLP from the airport was very easy.

 

[mharrington]

Because it could have a character who like Harrison Hightower III, Henry Mystic, and the other members from MK's Big Thunder Mountain, Disney Cruise Line's Oceaneer Lab, and Typhoon Lagoon was also a explorer, and adventurer as a member of S.E.A that he or she moved to Rio were he or she set up a trip around the world for guest which would be Soarin.

If that's the case, it would be somewhat difficult to do since it would have to be dubbed into Portuguese, and I'm not sure how to go about doing it.

 

[Twilight_Roxas]

For preshow/preboarding?