The problem with the monorail system

PeterAlt

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The problem with the monorail system at WDW is that is was never designed to be a transportation system.

The Magic Kingdom loop was designed to keep the MK parking lot, the MK itself, and the MK hotels connected in a loop but at a safe distance apart so that guests magically leave the troubles and stress of the real world behind and enter the magic which is WDW, kinda like the Twilight Zone, but a good dimension.

The EPCOT loop basically gives people who park at the MK parking lot a choice of new dimensions to choose from: magical goodness or futurist internationalism.

None really provide transportation as its function. You don't need to ride the monorail to go to EC, if you park at EC, for example. And you can't take the monorail from the MK loop to go directly to EC. You can go from MK to EC via monorail, but you have to switch trains and go on two lines in order to do so, proving that the system was never designed as a convenient transportation alternative to buses in this function.

When I was there at WDW a few weeks ago, while at the TTC, I was thinking about this, looking up at the sign, pointing the way to the train going to the MK and another pointing to entrance for the train to EC. This is the only loading area in all of WDW where you can choose the monorail spur location to ride on. But the TTC is neither here or there. It is a transportation hub at the edge of nowhere with a big parking lot with a speedway in the middle. Yet, this "place" out in the middle of nowhere has two monorail loops going to it. Several ideas ran through my head as to what could be done to make sense of this enigma. I'll get into that later.

Leaving EC, my sister and I ran to catch the monorail as it entered the station. Entering the train, my sister asked the CM if this train was going to the MK. The CM said, "No, it's going to..."

I interrupted, "Yes, I know... The Transportation and Ticket Center."

The CM confirmed and my sister insisted that we were on the wrong train until I explained the whole TTC thing to her.

The reason I bring this up is so that if you can understand the concept of the EC monorail loop never servicing the MK, then the MK Parking Lot must be misnamed because it serves the TTC (not the MK). In other words, the MK has no parking and you must park at a nearby transportation hub and take a train, bus, or ferry in order to get there.

Now, with this concept of transportation hub and the purpose of the TTC explained, I have a riddle for you. Why is there a transportation hub for a monorail system that wasn't even designed as a functional transportation system to begin with?

That adds to the riddle of why is there a transportation out in the middle of nowhere and why do monorail loops reach out to this middle of nowhere from theme parks that are obviously somewhere? You get where I'm coming from. Add all the questions I asked or implied so far.

If the TTC were to truly function in the capacity I described, it would have loops connecting it to the other two parks. The fact that it doesn't even do that makes it even less functional as a transportation hub. If it did have four loops, connecting it to all four parks, it would effectively have four loops connecting nowhere to four somewheres - or four loops going nowhere (or your car, if that's where you parked). So, this makes worse sense.

One way to make sense of it is to build a fifth gate at the TTC parking lot and parking structures there. Now, both monorail loops would actually go somewhere. But this raises more questions than it answers, concerning why some parks have their own parking and why the monorail has a prejudice over the parks it goes to or leaves from.

A centralized parking hub serving on-site hotels and retail for all the parks is the most logical thing I could think of that would make sense of this whole mess. You would also need a separate transit system that would also create a big four point loop connecting the parks for direct park to park transport. Now, that's what I call true park hopping!
 

thomas998

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The problem with the monorail system at WDW is that is was never designed to be a transportation system.

The Magic Kingdom loop was designed to keep the MK parking lot, the MK itself, and the MK hotels connected in a loop but at a safe distance apart so that guests magically leave the troubles and stress of the real world behind and enter the magic which is WDW, kinda like the Twilight Zone, but a good dimension.

The EPCOT loop basically gives people who park at the MK parking lot a choice of new dimensions to choose from: magical goodness or futurist internationalism.

None really provide transportation as its function. You don't need to ride the monorail to go to EC, if you park at EC, for example. And you can't take the monorail from the MK loop to go directly to EC. You can go from MK to EC via monorail, but you have to switch trains and go on two lines in order to do so, proving that the system was never designed as a convenient transportation alternative to buses in this function.

When I was there at WDW a few weeks ago, while at the TTC, I was thinking about this, looking up at the sign, pointing the way to the train going to the MK and another pointing to entrance for the train to EC. This is the only loading area in all of WDW where you can choose the monorail spur location to ride on. But the TTC is neither here or there. It is a transportation hub at the edge of nowhere with a big parking lot with a speedway in the middle. Yet, this "place" out in the middle of nowhere has two monorail loops going to it. Several ideas ran through my head as to what could be done to make sense of this enigma. I'll get into that later.

Leaving EC, my sister and I ran to catch the monorail as it entered the station. Entering the train, my sister asked the CM if this train was going to the MK. The CM said, "No, it's going to..."

I interrupted, "Yes, I know... The Transportation and Ticket Center."

The CM confirmed and my sister insisted that we were on the wrong train until I explained the whole TTC thing to her.

The reason I bring this up is so that if you can understand the concept of the EC monorail loop never servicing the MK, then the MK Parking Lot must be misnamed because it serves the TTC (not the MK). In other words, the MK has no parking and you must park at a nearby transportation hub and take a train, bus, or ferry in order to get there.

Now, with this concept of transportation hub and the purpose of the TTC explained, I have a riddle for you. Why is there a transportation hub for a monorail system that wasn't even designed as a functional transportation system to begin with?

That adds to the riddle of why is there a transportation out in the middle of nowhere and why do monorail loops reach out to this middle of nowhere from theme parks that are obviously somewhere? You get where I'm coming from. Add all the questions I asked or implied so far.

If the TTC were to truly function in the capacity I described, it would have loops connecting it to the other two parks. The fact that it doesn't even do that makes it even less functional as a transportation hub. If it did have four loops, connecting it to all four parks, it would effectively have four loops connecting nowhere to four somewheres - or four loops going nowhere (or your car, if that's where you parked). So, this makes worse sense.

One way to make sense of it is to build a fifth gate at the TTC parking lot and parking structures there. Now, both monorail loops would actually go somewhere. But this raises more questions than it answers, concerning why some parks have their own parking and why the monorail has a prejudice over the parks it goes to or leaves from.

A centralized parking hub serving on-site hotels and retail for all the parks is the most logical thing I could think of that would make sense of this whole mess. You would also need a separate transit system that would also create a big four point loop connecting the parks for direct park to park transport. Now, that's what I call true park hopping!

So by that theory subways in New York aren't actually designed for transportation because you often have to switch from one subway to another to get to where you are going..... sorry but I couldn't follow your logic... maybe you made some point later but your post was so long I got bored and gave up trying to read it all.
 

G8rchamps

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Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
So by that theory subways in New York aren't actually designed for transportation because you often have to switch from one subway to another to get to where you are going..... sorry but I couldn't follow your logic... maybe you made some point later but your post was so long I got bored and gave up trying to read it all.
No, the NYC subway trains go somewhere. The "somewhere" are the streets and buildings above, which stretch out vertically.

Even the "hubs", such as Grand Central Station, are giant "somewheres", with shopping malls, and so on. And just outside, there's a whole world to explore by foot!

EDIT - Imagine if NYC had two subway lines. Each subway line had two stops. Both lines met each other for a transfer station. Around the transfer station, there's no developments within walking distance, but there's a ticket booth. That would never happen in NYC because it makes no sense, but that's precisely how the Disney monorail system is designed!
 
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Texas84

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Build another monorail resort on top of the TTC and build magical themed parking garages next to MK. The whole TTC concept is just dumb. I would miss the ferry boats though.
 

Communicore

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Build another monorail resort on top of the TTC and build magical themed parking garages next to MK. The whole TTC concept is just dumb. I would miss the ferry boats though.
I agree. The TTC is a 70's relic, and not worthy of preservation in my opinion. As a matter of fact I'm not a big fan of the TTC at all. A waste of space, waste of time, it needs to be given the River Country treatment.
 

Goofyernmost

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Maybe, someone will agree, but, Peter you have over-thought this, but not logically thought it. TTC = Ticket and Transportation Center. In that center is parking (granted primarily for MK) that allows you to transport via Monorail, Ferry to MK or Monorail or bus to Epcot, Bus to any location on the property (except DtD). It makes much more sense today then it did back in 1972. It is now truly a transportation hub instead of a forced show that allowed you to take a ride on a boat or a futuristic Monorail to get to the show, that existed back then.

@marni1971, I agree that it was designed as a transportation system but it had, at that time, an additional reason for existence and that was to be part of the amazing show that WDW was putting on. So the Monorail is still a large part of "the show" it is also a functioning transportation system.
 

rob0519

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The problem with the monorail system at WDW is that is was never designed to be a transportation system.

From Mirriam-Webster's:
trans·por·ta·tion
noun \ˌtran(t)s-pər-ˈtā-shən\
: the act or process of moving people or things from one place to another
: a way of traveling from one place to another place
: a system for moving passengers or goods from one place to another

A monorail moving people from the parking lot to the Magic Kindom, the Polynesian Resort, the Contemporary Resort and eventually the Grand Floridian fits the exact definition of a transportation system. It moves people from one place to another. I have no idea how you can say the monorail "does not really provide transportation as its function".
 

Phonedave

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The ORIGINAL monorail was designed just as much for show as it was to provide transportation. One of it's stops was the MK Parking lot. Then Came EPCOT. Where was there space to intergrate the EPCOT loop into the the MK loop - Thats right, the MK parking lot. Of course there is a transfer there. Can up imagine if you were at the Poly and wanted to get to the MK, but had to make a trip to EPCOT and back first?

The natural evolution of what was the MK parking lot stop was to become the transfer point for the MK and EPCOT lines. Once it was a transfer point, it made additional sense to place bus transfers there, and to sell tickets there as well.

It is really not a hard concept to understand.


-dave
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Strangely enough..... Yes it was.
You're right. That is pretty strange...
I guess those stops at EP and the resorts (to say nothing of TTC) are all part of a ride to nowhere....
You're still here? I'm kidding!

But to answer your question, the MK and EP loops make one stop (besides the park they serve): the TTC, a ticket booth connected to a big parking lot away from anything special (i.e nowhere).
Maybe, someone will agree, but, Peter you have over-thought this, but not logically thought it. TTC = Ticket and Transportation Center. In that center is parking (granted primarily for MK) that allows you to transport via Monorail, Ferry to MK or Monorail or bus to Epcot, Bus to any location on the property (except DtD). It makes much more sense today then it did back in 1972. It is now truly a transportation hub instead of a forced show that allowed you to take a ride on a boat or a futuristic Monorail to get to the show, that existed back then.

@marni1971, I agree that it was designed as a transportation system but it had, at that time, an additional reason for existence and that was to be part of the amazing show that WDW was putting on. So the Monorail is still a large part of "the show" it is also a functioning transportation system.
Yeah, you get the gist of what I'm saying...
I'm sorry but this just hurt my head reading all of this.
Sorry, I'm known to do that... Aspirin?
From Mirriam-Webster's:
trans·por·ta·tion
noun \ˌtran(t)s-pər-ˈtā-shən\
: the act or process of moving people or things from one place to another
: a way of traveling from one place to another place
: a system for moving passengers or goods from one place to another

A monorail moving people from the parking lot to the Magic Kindom, the Polynesian Resort, the Contemporary Resort and eventually the Grand Floridian fits the exact definition of a transportation system. It moves people from one place to another. I have no idea how you can say the monorail "does not really provide transportation as its function".
Yes, it is designed for a very limited role in this purpose. To move guest from the TTC to the MK and from EC to the TTC. For this, it does it well. But, it's not designed as a convenient way to go from any where special to any where special, unless you think the TTC is anything special...
The ORIGINAL monorail was designed just as much for show as it was to provide transportation. One of it's stops was the MK Parking lot. Then Came EPCOT. Where was there space to intergrate the EPCOT loop into the the MK loop - Thats right, the MK parking lot. Of course there is a transfer there. Can up imagine if you were at the Poly and wanted to get to the MK, but had to make a trip to EPCOT and back first?

The natural evolution of what was the MK parking lot stop was to become the transfer point for the MK and EPCOT lines. Once it was a transfer point, it made additional sense to place bus transfers there, and to sell tickets there as well.

It is really not a hard concept to understand.


-dave
Yes, so my sister asked me why the system is designed so inconvenient as it is for the simple act of going to the MK from EC. I explained it evolved this way, just like how you just did. I expanded on that and said it was never planned to be this way, but how it evolved. They could have planned it better. The point is that it was never designed to be the type of transportation system it has become. It was never designed as a somewhere to somewhere system, but a somewhere to nowhere (TTC is nowhere) system.
 

Mammymouse

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The monorail is my favorite "ride" at WDW. I certainly get more enjoyment riding it than sitting through "Stitch's Adventure"! The monorail is iconic and I don't feel like I've had the full Disney experience if I haven't ridden the monorail at least once each time we visit.
 

righttrack

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It's a queuing device. It dumps just the right amount of people off at the gates at a time, so that the gates won't be swollen with visitors. At park open, they open all of the gates, but shortly after park open they scale back to a reasonable amount. This keeps the flow of traffic moving, which is what all of this queuing is about. If you're moving, you don't feel as bad as you do waiting.
 

PeterAlt

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It's a queuing device. It dumps just the right amount of people off at the gates at a time, so that the gates won't be swollen with visitors. At park open, they open all of the gates, but shortly after park open they scale back to a reasonable amount. This keeps the flow of traffic moving, which is what all of this queuing is about. If you're moving, you don't feel as bad as you do waiting.
This is what I meant when I said it was never designed to be a transportation system. And you're right!
 

thomas998

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The monorail is my favorite "ride" at WDW. I certainly get more enjoyment riding it than sitting through "Stitch's Adventure"! The monorail is iconic and I don't feel like I've had the full Disney experience if I haven't ridden the monorail at least once each time we visit.

And you forgot the coolest part of the Monorail... its one of the few free rides Disney offers. We arrived late once to Orlando and didn't want to waste a day of the park hopper on 2 hours of park so we just rode the monorail between TTC and Epcot a couple of times. It was the cheapest entertainment I've ever had at Disney...
 

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