This seems to be a favorite response instead of true discourse. Since instead of actually having a discussion you have decided to play thread police and enumerate in my response what isn't relevant or off topic, I've highlighted some post from the first three pages you may want to police as well. :wave:
I read an interesting article in Forbes that said that Harry Potter will actually ECLIPSE Star Wars!
at some point this next Spring/ Summer as the highest grossing movie franchise - inclusive of all merchandise, movie ticket, etc.! (but it looks like Star Wars will take the title back soon after when they release one or more of their movies in 3D.)
At first, I totally agreed with most on here that WWOHP would be irrelevant in a few years. Now I think Harry is here to stay!
It already did this in May.
How was the wait at fbj? How bout the wait for the rest of the rides? Tia.
Oh and as a side note, attendance figures don't strictly have anything to do with the thread either. The OP is simply asking how Potter has affected individual vacation plans.
It doesn't, and I certainly didn't say it did. But Universal created a lot of unique merchandise, whereas Disney is selling the standard fare.
Universal did. They are filling a demand that wasn't previously met and good for them. However, let's not assign marketing genius to know that people will want to buy Harry Potter merchandise that isn't available anywhere else at Potterland. I even said in my previous post that Disney could learn some merchandise restraint from this area.
So if it's true for you, then it MUST be true for everyone.
No more so than the converse assumption you made that people are not spending at Disney but are spending at Uni based on one statistic
And you are operating under the opposite: that people are adding extra time. Contrary to popular belief, the average Disney vacation is less than a week, and a large percentage of people don't visit all four parks (and that is evident simply by looking at the attendance figures). But it doesn't matter. I clearly stated that Disney isn't going to be affected; attendance-wise. And like a lot of people on this board, I think Harry Potter may only help Disney, by bringing people to Orlando who might not have had any other reason to visit, I imagine a good portion (though not all) will take at least a day trip to WDW. It may be a reason why we aren't seeing so many discounts, and why the discounted rooms seem to have filled up much faster than previously. But fact is fact: Universal is making a ton of money on merchandise sales, and Disney is not. And most people can't afford to simply increase their budget, so it's going to come from somewhere.
For some reason you aren't understanding that I'm just pointing out that not everyone fits into your mold of vacationing parameters. I've pointed out that my family vacations different and you've run with that with the assumption that I am saying that all families are like mine.
I'm not arguing that Uni isn't making money, but I don't think you can support that per guest spending at Uni is up and per guest spending at Disney is down with any facts at the moment.
That's an almost Republicanesque mentality. Liking something more than something else does not mean that you can dispute facts. Universal saw a 36% increase in attendance in its 3rd quarter over its 3rd quarter last year. People are going to Universal, and they are spending quite a bit of money. Whether or not that is having a financial impact on Disney remains to be seen. And as I said before, it will most likely benefit Disney too.
This doesn't even make sense. The context I was describing was that asking if Potter affected travel plans on a WDW fan site is going to draw somewhat of a skewed result.
The OP asked if this will affect travel plans and you just simply go on about a 36% increase in attendance.
I haven't seen any of that in this thread, and is completely irrelevant.
Here, this is from the first 3 pages:
I am always a little taken back by these threads. How people can be so negative about Uni, when they are consistently putting out a better product then Disney. Over the past few years Uni has developed great headlining rides, a thriving nightlife area, and an unbelievable new land.
Meanwhile Disney has closed down PI, built a clone ride, and could possibly be planing a mediocre to excellent new land. All the while completely pandering to the under 5 set.
Uni is offering a very competitive product right now.
Disney is not the place for mid 20's couples. When I was in my mid20's till about 35 I went to adult vacation spots like Lake Tahoe, Hedonism, Thailand, Hong Kong, Many islands, Disney is never going to appeal to the adult no children crowd so why try. I would rather be in a jungle driving a 4 wheeler as opposed to being on a Disney ride that pretends to be a 4 wheeler out in the jungle. I have small children so I can't do that any more so off to Disney. Cedar Point is a much better adult park if that's what you are looking for. Been there too, lots of roller coasters.
Again, completely irrelevant to the thread.
You realize that by dismissing my criticism of what was promised versus what was actually delivered you have proven my point?
Universal's counter service food is leagues better than anything Disney serves. Even Six Flags has better counter service food. Disney's food verges on inedible. But that's neither here nor there. It is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
That's your opinion. I happen to find several QS places at WDW to be very good. Three Broomsticks was not up to this standard.
You are also applying a criticism of one QS location to all of Uni, which I never claimed was the case.
The rest of the QS at Uni may be awesome. I wouldn't know as this was the only place we ate.
And once again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Harry Potter is better than anything Disney has given us in a long time.
Yet if the same thing happened at Disney, you would be calling for heads.
It's a ridiculous double standard that has been applied to this project compare to Disney.
People here still complain about the backside of Everest not being a full mountain, yet you have a 7 story white building shooting up from the side of a greenhouse and suddenly that's irrelevant?
I agree, the theming and ride technology are better than anything that Disney has done, but let's also be honest, a dumb monkey could make Potterland with how involved Rowling was.
You know, I think I remember reading that as well. Universal sure isn't Disney. After all, Disney delivers everything it promises in press releases! Oh, wait...
I never said Disney does, but everyone's head didn't exploded when Potter opened with what was a major feature.
Instead of wands that "work" we now have plastic sticks. That seems to be a pretty significant downgrade that was nary harped on.
I think the shops around ollivanders are unecessarily too small. I know they aren't supposed to be Emporium-big, but even in a small town the shops are bigger than what Universal designed. Honeydukes I think is about right, but Zonkos could have been a little bigger. Hog's Head should have been completely separated from the Three Broomsticks (and not next to it). But still, I think they did a tremendous job with the themeing.
I agree here.
Who picked a side? The topic of the thread is whether or not Harry Potter will have a negative impact on Disney. It won't. As I stated numerous times now, at most the only effect it will have is guest spending at Universal instead of Disney. Guests who only go to Universal and not Disney most likely weren't ever planning on going to Disney, so there's no effect on Disney.
Really? I thought it was a question regarding individual travel plans.
However, since your interpretation of the topic seems to be what matters, I'll play along.
I agree completely with you. Potterland is extraordinarily well done and even with the nitpicks, is the standard for how theming should be done. It is a benefit for the consumers in almost every aspect, from new technological experiences to raising the standards for other theme parks in the area.
I think the increase in attendance, based on nothing more than my own travel habits and assumptions is that this will be a positive for both Uni and Disney.
It's not meant to. What's irritating to me is how a lot of people think that if something doesn't appeal to families with children, then it is somehow inferior. I like Universal a little better than Disney, simply because I feel there is superiority complex there. The universe doesn't revolve around children, and I find it refreshing to get away from the sugar-inducing coma that can be WDW.
That's your opinion and there really isn't anything wrong with it. I enjoy Uni, just not as much as WDW.
I personally don't get this. Other than than the unthemed RRR coaster, I find Universal's themeing to be rather consistent. It's not pretending to be Frontierland or Tomorrowland...it's a park with attractions themed to movies and the studio setting. And while I'd prefer a more thematic queue for The Hulk and Dr. Doom's Fearfall, Universal is using the comic motif for the Marvel section, and it works. Other than a few headstones, there's nothing in the Haunted Mansions queue that does any better of a job than the aforementioned rides. Same with the Liberty Belle and BTMRR.
Consistency does not equal quality.
The quality of Potter is not (in my opinion) on par with the rest of Uni; it is miles ahead of everything else.
Just like the quality of Chester and Hester's is far below what is standard at WDW.