The Official Goblet of Fire Movie Thread

[CaptainMichael]

Yea, really. In the movie, the only thing stopping him were some bush sticks. No Sphinx, no spiders, no Blast-Ended Skrewts.

Basically the only spells the contestants needed were Incendio(sets fire) or Diffindo(cuts in half). They should all have been advanced enough to use these spells. The maze in the book is much more difficult.

 

[MKCustodial]

Some of you mentioned this in passing, but what about the ending, after Harry comes back. The whole "let's hee who this guys REALLY is". Was that too rushed? Because the last 3 or 4 chapters on that book are TOTALLY tense and breathtaking.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Some of you mentioned this in passing, but what about the ending, after Harry comes back. The whole "let's hee who this guys REALLY is". Was that too rushed? Because the last 3 or 4 chapters on that book are TOTALLY tense and breathtaking.

The ending leaves a lot to be desired. No confrontation with the ministry, no recall of the Order of the Phoenix, and a lackluster talk with Dumbledore.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Some of you mentioned this in passing, but what about the ending, after Harry comes back. The whole "let's hee who this guys REALLY is". Was that too rushed? Because the last 3 or 4 chapters on that book are TOTALLY tense and breathtaking.

The bad guy's unveiling isn't quite as dramatic in the movie. I think the main reason for that is the person behind it all isn't believed to be dead, as he was in the book. The characters know he is alive and even have an idea that he is out and about before encountering him. So when they meet him, it's not such a big deal.

(How's that for being specific, but vague enough for those who don't know the story?)

 

[Madison]

Basically the only spells the contestants needed were Incendio(sets fire) or Diffindo(cuts in half). They should all have been advanced enough to use these spells. The maze in the book is much more difficult.

The maze was presented, to my thinking, not as another physical challenge, but as a challenge of character. Dumbledore says of it that it changes people , right?

I think it was effective in that regard. Would Harry have lift Diggory behind, he'd have won the Tournament and nobody would have questioned it; but that he didn't, it makes proves his character and, in that respect, he's won more than the Tournament could ever give.

Am I reading too much into it?

 

[Wilt Dasney]

The maze was presented, to my thinking, not as another physical challenge, but as a challenge of character. Dumbledore says of it that it changes people , right?

I think it was effective in that regard. Would Harry have lift Diggory behind, he'd have won the Tournament and nobody would have questioned it; but that he didn't, it makes proves his character and, in that respect, he's won more than the Tournament could ever give.

Am I reading too much into it?

No, I think you've got it. It was pretty clear that the danger of the maze wasn't so much a physical one. Even the way they shot the scene implied a more psychological than physical hazard.

(Although Fleur almost being swallowed by the maze was a pretty nasty bit.)

 

[nibblesandbits]

It's the thought that counts. :kiss:

eh...I try

 

[CaptainMichael]

No, I think you've got it. It was pretty clear that the danger of the maze wasn't so much a physical one. Even the way they shot the scene implied a more psychological than physical hazard.

(Although Fleur almost being swallowed by the maze was a pretty nasty bit.)

But with certain spells, the physical danger is eliminated and therefore fear (psychological) is eliminated. Oh wow, the bushes are attacking me....wand out... "diffindo" bushes are cut in half.

 

[Dizknee_Phreek]

In terms of the maze, I agree that it was too easy. I kept expecting the spider to jump out at the end like it did in the book, but no. They didn't give Cedric a chance to save Harry like in the book (that did happen, right? Harry saves Cedric, then Cedric saves Harry, then they touch the trophy together?)
I think they probably could've cut down the first task and left out all the extra stuff. Maybe then they could've added some things they needed to.

I hadn't even thought of it until now, but there were no Blast-Ended Skrewts in the whole thing! And I was looking forward to seeing them on screen because I find it very difficult to image what they look like when reading the book.

 

[CaptainMichael]

The skrewts were all over the novel, and I still have no idea what they are supposed to look like. I keep picturing a huge blue crab-like creature.

 

[MKCustodial]

Some of you mentioned this in passing, but what about the ending, after Harry comes back. The whole "let's hee who this guys REALLY is". Was that too rushed? Because the last 3 or 4 chapters on that book are TOTALLY tense and breathtaking.

Sometimes, it feels to me they actually plan these movies without realizing they're just part of a bigger story... :brick:

The bad guy's unveiling isn't quite as dramatic in the movie. I think the main reason for that is the person behind it all isn't believed to be dead, as he was in the book. The characters know he is alive and even have an idea that he is out and about before encountering him. So when they meet him, it's not such a big deal.

Yeah, as I mentioned in the book thread, they're really dumbing the plot down for the "target audience", huh? If I was a teenager in today's world, I'd be dure to write them a hearty letter letting them know I don't need things spelled out for me in order to understand them. Or are they right, and kids' attention spans are so short that they can't be bothered to actually analyze a mistery?

No, I think you've got it. It was pretty clear that the danger of the maze wasn't so much a physical one. Even the way they shot the scene implied a more psychological than physical hazard.

So that's the movie angle? Because in the book, Harry's path was somewhat easier because Moody was outside taking care of stuff for him, including Fleur, Diggory and Krum.

In terms of the maze, I agree that it was too easy. I kept expecting the spider to jump out at the end like it did in the book, but no. They didn't give Cedric a chance to save Harry like in the book (that did happen, right? Harry saves Cedric, then Cedric saves Harry, then they touch the trophy together?)

Man, I just read it and I can't remember... But yeah, I guess that was it. Harry saves him from Krum, and then Cedric helps with the spider.

The skrewts were all over the novel, and I still have no idea what they are supposed to look like. I keep picturing a huge blue crab-like creature.

Weren't they grey? I know they're half-crab, half-scorpion, with no visible face. They'd have been great on screen! But no, let's make up a whole chase secene with the dragon, that's sure to work on video games and toy sets!

 

[Wilt Dasney]

So that's the movie angle? Because in the book, Harry's path was somewhat easier because Moody was outside taking care of stuff for him, including Fleur, Diggory and Krum.

I forget details of the book, but in the movie, Krum is put under the Imperius curse (presumably by Moody) and goes around the maze looking freaky. He doesn't really do anything, though, IIRC, other than zapping Fleur.

 

[MKCustodial]

In the book, he tries to get Cedric and Harry stupors (sp? Only know it in Portuguese, sorry!) him.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

In the book, he tries to get Cedric and Harry stupors (sp? Only know it in Portuguese, sorry!) him.

OK. In the movie, he shows up and glares at Harry and points his wand at him, but then leaves him alone, which makes sense. I don't recall him confronting Cedric, but honestly, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I was getting a little antsy for the "good" stuff at that point.

(And the spell is "Stupefy" in English.)

 

[nibblesandbits]

The skrewts were all over the novel, and I still have no idea what they are supposed to look like. I keep picturing a huge blue crab-like creature.

I completely forgot the skrewts were in this book! I was very curious to see how they would look too...well now that's a bummer. :hammer:

 

[CaptainMichael]

I forget details of the book, but in the movie, Krum is put under the Imperius curse (presumably by Moody) and goes around the maze looking freaky. He doesn't really do anything, though, IIRC, other than zapping Fleur.

The thing about the Imperius Curse is that there is no physical change..ie: grey eyes..to give it away. I believe they just said he was bewitched in the movie which is excusable I suppose.

 

[DisneyFreak529]

You know what would of been funny? If Harry turned to him and said....

"Dude, you have no nose!"

 

[Kwit35]

You know what would of been funny? If Harry turned to him and said....

"Dude, you have no nose!"

I thought it would be even funnier if, when the wands connected, that V turned to Harry and said (in a Darth-sorta-voice) 'Harry, I am your father'.

 

[DisneyFreak529]

I thought it would be even funnier if, when the wands connected, that V turned to Harry and said (in a Darth-sorta-voice) 'Harry, I am your father'.

ha ha ha that would be cute!

 

[Connor002]

I'm off to see HP4. Hopefully it won't be a dissapointment...