The New X-Box

erasure fan1

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Original Poster
E3 is what 3 weeks away? I have a feeling we are going to see a boat load of games there. The launch was just wetting the whistle.
Yea E3 is going to be the true test. 15 exclusive titles 8 of them are new franchises sounds really good to me.

About the only thing I wish MS would have done was address some of the rumors floating around (eg used games, must be connected), but I am not so worried about them not talking about the games at the reveal.
They sort of did, they said the xbox one can play used games... you just have to pay a fee. Thats the part that is still not finalized. The more I think about it, the more this whole used games/borrowing/renting thing gets under my skin. I think its a large step in the wrong direction and and really not necessary. I am really looking forward to how it all plays out.
 

bsiev1977

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Yea E3 is going to be the true test. 15 exclusive titles 8 of them are new franchises sounds really good to me.


They sort of did, they said the xbox one can play used games... you just have to pay a fee. Thats the part that is still not finalized. The more I think about it, the more this whole used games/borrowing/renting thing gets under my skin. I think its a large step in the wrong direction and and really not necessary. I am really looking forward to how it all plays out.


Let's not forget, Sony hasn't come out and said used games can be played with no restrictions. They are going to do something similar to what MS is doing, or else they'd have said otherwise already.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Let's not forget, Sony hasn't come out and said used games can be played with no restrictions. They are going to do something similar to what MS is doing, or else they'd have said otherwise already.

It will be interesting, that is for sure. Something needs to be done so developers get a little something, something for used games, but how much and how will it work are the big questions. I have no issue paying a buck or two extra for a used game as long as the majority goes to the developer. MS or GameStop getting 90% as some sort of processing fee ain't going to cut it.
 

bsiev1977

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It will be interesting, that is for sure. Something needs to be done so developers get a little something, something for used games, but how much and how will it work are the big questions. I have no issue paying a buck or two extra for a used game as long as the majority goes to the developer. MS or GameStop getting 90% as some sort of processing fee ain't going to cut it.
I agree. Definitely interested to hear firm declarations from both companies.
 

erasure fan1

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Original Poster
It will be interesting, that is for sure. Something needs to be done so developers get a little something, something for used games, but how much and how will it work are the big questions. I have no issue paying a buck or two extra for a used game as long as the majority goes to the developer. MS or GameStop getting 90% as some sort of processing fee ain't going to cut it.
While I don't think the developers deserve a cut of used games, it won't really bother me that much if they do get a small cut. Used games (I really believe) do more to help the industry than hurt it, even though they want you to think its the end of the world. Unless Microsoft drops the DRM, I will not be purchasing the new xbox so I guess it doesn't matter what happens with used games. I really can't wait for E3 just for the closure (hopefully) on all the issues with this system. If I had to put money on it, I think all the bad we fear will be true.
 

Master Yoda

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While I don't think the developers deserve a cut of used games, it won't really bother me that much if they do get a small cut. Used games (I really believe) do more to help the industry than hurt it, even though they want you to think its the end of the world. Unless Microsoft drops the DRM, I will not be purchasing the new xbox so I guess it doesn't matter what happens with used games. I really can't wait for E3 just for the closure (hopefully) on all the issues with this system. If I had to put money on it, I think all the bad we fear will be true.

I agree that used games help more than they hurt. My foray into many franchises began with the purchase of a lower priced used game followed by purchasing new at launch. Borderlands is the most recent example. I am normally not a fan of sandbox style shooters, but I heard so many good things about it a few months before the launch of Borderlands 2 that I decided to give it a shot. A used copy was about $20 and very low risk. Turned out that I loved the game and pre-ordered BL2 and the $30 DLC pack. However, I do feel that the developers should get a little taste of that $20 or tack on a $1 developer fee. (much like the disposal fee for an oil change) Do that and the game developers will love used games and could push MS to allow their sale to continue.
 

afar28

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The Xbox one is really angering me. With the elimination of used games and letting your friends borrow games, how they're stressing TV instead of actual gaming, and the whole kinect mess where it senses the amount of people in the room for movies and stuff like that, I'm not sure if I'm getting one anymore...
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
The Xbox one is really angering me. With the elimination of used games and letting your friends borrow games, how they're stressing TV instead of actual gaming, and the whole kinect mess where it senses the amount of people in the room for movies and stuff like that, I'm not sure if I'm getting one anymore...

They are not eliminating used game sales. They are putting that duty in the hands of the publishers. I do not care for the borrowing restriction and I wonder how that is going to work in practice. If I go to a friends house and log in with my Xbox Live account is that still considered borrowing?

The stressing of the new features at the launch not bother me at all. MS said right up front that the launch would be about what was new and E3 was going to be about the games. After all, it is not like they would have an xbox that could not play games. All the complaining seemed like people complaining about the launch of a new car because they did not showing it going in reverse.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
The Xbox one is really angering me. With the elimination of used games and letting your friends borrow games, how they're stressing TV instead of actual gaming, and the whole kinect mess where it senses the amount of people in the room for movies and stuff like that, I'm not sure if I'm getting one anymore...
Im going to give a personal anecdote as to why locking down games is a bad idea.

I am a slow mover into new consoles after getting burned as an Atari fan in the late 80s, early 90s. The only thing that has enticed me to purchase a console, ever, has been games and experiences playing them at friends houses, or arcade play.

Playing Super Mario Bros. at an arcade version outside of an AAFES made me want to buy the NES, which I did. Renting and/or borrowing titles from friends is what turned me on to Ninja Gaidon, and many other titles.

I skipped the SNES and went with a Lynx. Bad idea. I later got a Gameboy, but again, building my title library was partially a function of a friend letting me borrow, or us trading games, for a limited period.

I got a Nintendo 64 after sampling the games at a friends house and someone had brought their copy of Goldeneye for us to try. We were hooked, and I rushed out to get one (well after launch).

Then, I graduated, and ended up doing other things for a while. I bought a used PS One with a library of games from my friend (years after release) because I was addicted to Tenchu and Gran Turismo. Of course I expanded the title library over the years, and it was just fine. I felt no need to move to Xbox.

Then, at a friends house, another similar story. I got to play GTA 3. I was hooked, but it wasnt until I heard about Vice City that I ran out and bought a PS2, on Vice City's release date, just to play the game, and again started to build a game library, renting games that interested me to be sure I enjoyed them.

I was happy with my PS2, and saw no reason to move to a 360...until I heard about GTA IV. At this point, I had a choice, go to a 360, or go with PS4. I chose 360, primarily due to the availability of titles currently available and regularly discounted ( for older games). I also liked the media center options it had, as I ran a media center in my house...so, I could use it as an extender. But, that wasn't the driving force in my choice. Cost and games were.

Locking down games kills the rental market and friends sharing with friends, which when a new title has a $70 price tag, it's not something that many people decide lightly.

I have so many gripes with their plans for this console...I will be keeping a very close eye on Sony, and they will probably win me back...but, for now, I'll just tootle on with my 360.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Im going to give a personal anecdote as to why locking down games is a bad idea.

I am a slow mover into new consoles after getting burned as an Atari fan in the late 80s, early 90s. The only thing that has enticed me to purchase a console, ever, has been games and experiences playing them at friends houses, or arcade play.

Playing Super Mario Bros. at an arcade version outside of an AAFES made me want to buy the NES, which I did. Renting and/or borrowing titles from friends is what turned me on to Ninja Gaidon, and many other titles.

I skipped the SNES and went with a Lynx. Bad idea. I later got a Gameboy, but again, building my title library was partially a function of a friend letting me borrow, or us trading games, for a limited period.

I got a Nintendo 64 after sampling the games at a friends house and someone had brought their copy of Goldeneye for us to try. We were hooked, and I rushed out to get one (well after launch).

Then, I graduated, and ended up doing other things for a while. I bought a used PS One with a library of games from my friend (years after release) because I was addicted to Tenchu and Gran Turismo. Of course I expanded the title library over the years, and it was just fine. I felt no need to move to Xbox.

Then, at a friends house, another similar story. I got to play GTA 3. I was hooked, but it wasnt until I heard about Vice City that I ran out and bought a PS2, on Vice City's release date, just to play the game, and again started to build a game library, renting games that interested me to be sure I enjoyed them.

I was happy with my PS2, and saw no reason to move to a 360...until I heard about GTA IV. At this point, I had a choice, go to a 360, or go with PS4. I chose 360, primarily due to the availability of titles currently available and regularly discounted ( for older games). I also liked the media center options it had, as I ran a media center in my house...so, I could use it as an extender. But, that wasn't the driving force in my choice. Cost and games were.

Locking down games kills the rental market and friends sharing with friends, which when a new title has a $70 price tag, it's not something that many people decide lightly.

I have so many gripes with their plans for this console...I will be keeping a very close eye on Sony, and they will probably win me back...but, for now, I'll just tootle on with my 360.

It will not surprise me in the slightest if Sony does the exact same thing that MS does.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
It will not surprise me in the slightest if Sony does the exact same thing that MS does.

I don't disagree. But that doesn't mean I can't hope they don't go down this road. At least not as intensely as MS seems to want to. Of course, EA supports it, which I could overlook, if they hadn't had so many botched rollouts(the most recent being Simcity)...

Oh well...one can hope...
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I don't disagree. But that doesn't mean I can't hope they don't go down this road. At least not as intensely as MS seems to want to. Of course, EA supports it, which I could overlook, if they hadn't had so many botched rollouts(the most recent being Simcity)...

Oh well...one can hope...

What is even more interesting is MS is stating that none of this is set in stone yet. They could just as easily change or get rid of the sharing element. If I had to guess, this change is being pushed by developers. I don't think that MS really cares all that much about used games or sharing as all they have really done is given the developers the tools to either stop the sale of used games or make some coin from it.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
This is an email I received from GameStop. The way this email portrays the changes is considerably more positive than the tech sites.

The biggest feature of note I see is being able to access your games from any Xbox One sans disk.

Learn more about the Xbox One now!

To ensure delivery please add gsnews@gamestop-email.com to your safe senders.

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