The Muppets Present… Great Moments in American History'

WEDwaydatamover

WEDwaydatamover

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I watched the footage on YouTube and while I liked the idea of the show and the spirit that was intended it did seem a little underwhelming. Great puppetry. Very weak show writing- even for the current state of MK Imagineering.

Obviously it has to be better in person. Hopefully they'll tweek it. Good job Disney anyway. It's better than a meet and greet.

And if they can feed folks into the Hall of Presidents people eating building that would be great.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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JohnD said:
(Instead Kermit and Piggy are separated, Kermit has a girlfriend pig, the cast and crew are afraid of Piggy and her tantrums.
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Piggy and Kermit were never actually together until the films (and even then, spotty) - traditionally was always her chasing him in a stalker-ish manner. Though I will grant you that the whole thing with his girlfriend was a bit odd.

But the crew afraid of Miss Piggy and her tantrums? You can't get much more vintage Muppets than that - her catch-phrase was "Ay-uh!" accompanied with a karate kick when she was upset/offended on the Muppets Show. Her temper is pretty much her defining characteristic

I guess that's where the disconnect is. I never saw these Muppets some folks seem to remember that were just all best friends sitting around telling polite jokes and being cheerful.
 
tissandtully

tissandtully

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Magenta Panther said:
I have said from the beginning that I don't like purchased IPs being pushed into areas of the parks where they don't belong. I don't like Star Wars being put into the back of Disneyland. I don't like Guardians of the Galaxy going into Epcot (or, heaven forbid, into DHS' Tower). That's it. The Muppet acquisition is an object lesson that buying something that used to be popular isn't always a wise move. People who say Disney hasn't tried hard enough with them, or just don't "get" them, are being ridiculous. Disney's done everything it could. Two movies, a strong online presence, a TV show...what else could it do to try to revive their popularity? Sometimes, what's dead is dead.

Does it ever occur to you Muppet fans here that trying to keep them alive isn't really doing them a favor? Look at how hard Warner Brothers has been trying to revive Looney Tunes. Space Jam, anyone? That was awful. Looney Tunes: Back in Action was worse. And what was that Looney Tunes show, for crying out loud? It was an unholy mashup of Seinfeld and Merrie Melodies. And wanna talk about Loonatics? All done in the name of trying to revive characters that, good as they are, perhaps can never be fully revived because they're period pieces. Only characters that are truly timeless - like Mickey Mouse - have a chance at a true revival (HIS new cartoons are awesome IMO).

As for you guys who keep trying to rag on me, when you stoop to name-calling and insults, then you've already lost the argument, and you know it. What's really ticking you off is that I've been proven right about those characters' worth to the Disney company, and yet you think that proves that I "hate" them. I'd say the same thing about the Star Wars characters or Marvel if those IPs had been similar failures, and no, I don't hate them either. Those have at least been profitable, and that helps the company's bottom line, and I'm all for that. I just wish they'd stay out of the Disney parks, but obviously that's not going to happen. I'm not going to stop commenting on it, though, so deal. The ignore button is your friend, although I'm not going to use it on you. I'm mature enough to tolerate opposing opinions, and some people here who I disagree with sometimes make good points nonetheless, and I sometimes I enjoy reading what they have to say. Peace out.
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Man, you're so weird.
 
Phil12

Phil12

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Cmdr_Crimson said:
So what did Frank Oz (Yoda/Fozzie/Piggy/Sam) think about all of this when Disney took over for the Muppets....
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Actually he was too generous. Not only are the Muppets now too sweet, but the voices just don't match the characters. Steve Whitmire just doesn't sound like Kermit. They need to dispense with the old characters and create new Muppets.

They could create an entire new set of 'Pigs in Space" characters based upon GotG (a Muppet Groot for example) and then have the Muppets included in the WDW ToT re-invigoration.
 
Magenta Panther

Magenta Panther

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TabulaRasa said:
My issue with what you typically post is that you consistently state that the Muppets franchise is dead. It is not. There is a fanbase, as evidenced by the Jason Segel movie, and the pilot episode of the new TV show. I've said it before, but it ultimately comes down to the fact that Disney has mishandled them with subpar writing and unwise creative direction. For example, the reason why Muppets Most Wanted wasn't as successful as it's predecessor is because, in my opinion, the concept never connected with audiences. Two Kermits wasn't a selling point to go and see the movie. Plus, it was released in March, which stupid move as well. Had it been released near the holidays, it would have done better. As for the TV show, it had a MASSIVE ratings turn out for the pilot, which just proves that people like the Muppets. Why did audiences dwindle? Overly competitive Tuesday nights, writing that needed time to develop, and by that time the show started getting better, the audience was gone. Had ABC placed this in the middle of their Wednesday comedy block, it would have done better and had more of a chance to grow.
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Speculation, speculation, speculation. "Had they done this, had they done that". What happened, happened. They got their shot. They went down in flames. And it might interest you to know that Disney has pretty much let the people behind the franchise - the people actually running it - do what they want. Don't blame Disney for giving them every chance for a comeback. Without Disney money, there would never have been any attempt at a comeback at all. This is what ticks me off the most - Disney being blamed for the flops. Is Disney responsible for the failure of Pixar's "The Good Dinosaur"? Of course not. Likewise, the people behind the puppet characters are the ones responsible for their success or failure. Not Disney. Now, as for the rest of your argument, I'll grant you that that public interest in the new show was strong - but nostalgia was responsible for that. After that, it had to succeed on its merits. Same deal with the second movie's failure; my opinion is that most people had gotten their nostalgia fix with the first one, and that was enough. Plus Jason Segel was popular at the time (hmmm....whatever happened to that guy?)
 
JohnD

JohnD

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Phil12 said:
Actually he was too generous. Not only are the Muppets now too sweet, but the voices just don't match the characters. Steve Whitmire just doesn't sound like Kermit. They need to dispense with the old characters and create new Muppets.

They could create an entire new set of 'Pigs in Space" characters based upon GotG (a Muppet Groot for example) and then have the Muppets included in the WDW ToT re-invigoration.
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Sacrilege! But, gee, it's not like we can bring back Jim Henson.
 
Magenta Panther

Magenta Panther

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AEfx said:
Right, but you realize that outside of the Disney bubble considering anything in an artificially built theme park as "dignified" is pretty amusing, don't you? It's the same look you get when you say you can't wait to try out the McDonalds at the Louvre. ;)
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So that's how you see the Magic Kingdom, eh? A cheap low-class celebration of the sub-par? Gotcha.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

Cmdr_Crimson

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cslafferty said:
Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but will the Muppets still be performing during the HoP 6 mo refurb?
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Why wouldn't it? It's not that much of a problem...Instead of having Sam coming out from above the entrance they will have him on the side with the other Muppets...
 
Nickels5

Nickels5

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Magenta Panther said:
I have said from the beginning that I don't like purchased IPs being pushed into areas of the parks where they don't belong. I don't like Star Wars being put into the back of Disneyland. I don't like Guardians of the Galaxy going into Epcot (or, heaven forbid, into DHS' Tower). That's it. The Muppet acquisition is an object lesson that buying something that used to be popular isn't always a wise move. People who say Disney hasn't tried hard enough with them, or just don't "get" them, are being ridiculous. Disney's done everything it could. Two movies, a strong online presence, a TV show...what else could it do to try to revive their popularity? Sometimes, what's dead is dead.

Does it ever occur to you Muppet fans here that trying to keep them alive isn't really doing them a favor? Look at how hard Warner Brothers has been trying to revive Looney Tunes. Space Jam, anyone? That was awful. Looney Tunes: Back in Action was worse. And what was that Looney Tunes show, for crying out loud? It was an unholy mashup of Seinfeld and Merrie Melodies. And wanna talk about Loonatics? All done in the name of trying to revive characters that, good as they are, perhaps can never be fully revived because they're period pieces. Only characters that are truly timeless - like Mickey Mouse - have a chance at a true revival (HIS new cartoons are awesome IMO).

As for you guys who keep trying to rag on me, when you stoop to name-calling and insults, then you've already lost the argument, and you know it. What's really ticking you off is that I've been proven right about those characters' worth to the Disney company, and yet you think that proves that I "hate" them. I'd say the same thing about the Star Wars characters or Marvel if those IPs had been similar failures, and no, I don't hate them either. Those have at least been profitable, and that helps the company's bottom line, and I'm all for that. I just wish they'd stay out of the Disney parks, but obviously that's not going to happen. I'm not going to stop commenting on it, though, so deal. The ignore button is your friend, although I'm not going to use it on you. I'm mature enough to tolerate opposing opinions, and some people here who I disagree with sometimes make good points nonetheless, and I sometimes I enjoy reading what they have to say. Peace out.
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I get that and can respect your opinion on it, but then why come in a thread dedicated for the muppets banging your chest on how much you hate the IP? Clearly Disney is making money on the muppets cause if they were not they would not be wasting time and money to theme two new restaurants, and add two shows to two different parks. There is a demand for this IP, just cause it isn't yours doesn't mean its not right.
 

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